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Production News, Spoilers & Speculation: 60th Anniversary / Season 01 & 02 (Disney+/BBC)


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Unexpected, but welcome

ETA: Davies teased in an IG post "Neil Patrick Harris, welcome to Cardiff! Playing the greatest enemy the Doctor has ever faced. Such a great actor, such a great man, it’s an honour and a hoot. Have fun! @nph @bbcdoctorwho"

https://www.instagram.com/p/CewMhpPtRkg/

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Good info in the article. To sum up, David is the 14th Doctor, Ncuti the 15th, 3 60th anniversary specials will be broadcast in November 2023 and Ncuti will apparently debut his first season over the Christmas holidays in 2023

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  On 10/24/2022 at 4:11 AM, DanaK said:

Good info in the article. To sum up, David is the 14th Doctor, Ncuti the 15th, 3 60th anniversary specials will be broadcast in November 202e and Ncuti will apparently debut his first season over the Christmas holidays in 2023

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November 2022?  November 2023?

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  On 11/11/2022 at 3:09 AM, DanaK said:
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I mean, I would see his point more if a) Whittaker hadn't specifically chosen her outfit to be gender neutral, something anyone could wear, no matter their gender, and b) we hadn't literally just seen Sacha Dhawan wearing her outfit and looking amazing in it. Tennant is taller than Dhawan, granted, so would struggle to pull it off as well as he did, but still. Not the greatest reason to randomly regenerate the clothes for the first time in 17 years of New Who.

I like Davies a lot, I usually enjoy what he writes, but I don't agree with all the choices he makes, not by a long shot. If there is no plot reason for the clothes regenerating, if he did it purely to avoid having Tennant in Whittaker's clothes for even a single scene before popping back into the TARDIS to change, then I am disappointed.

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My summary of the recent Doctor Who Magazine issue with David on the cover, summarizing the coverage of the 60th specials, Series 14 and some discussion of the Jodie's recent era. I've used spoiler space because of the length

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  On 11/25/2022 at 10:48 PM, DanaK said:
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They're good enough in small amounts, but for more than a few minutes I find that their voices begin to grate. I tried to listen to Big Finish's Dalek Empire once. No thanks.

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Yeah, I think any attempt to create spin-offs centred around villains would be missing the fundamental point of Doctor Who, which has always been about people. Ordinary people thrust into extraordinary situations, fighting to help others. Daleks and Cybermen have proved popular villains over the years, but they can't be protagonists in their own right, they were created and developed as villains for the good guys to defeat. They have no redeeming features. You can't build a show around them as protagonists without undermining the central concept of them.

Doctor Who has had spin-offs before, and the reason they worked was because, like DW itself, they were centred around people, ordinary people thrust into extraordinary situations. Any future spin-off would need to have that too. The only way any Dalek or Cyberman spin-off would work is if they too were built around people fighting against those villains (without help from the Doctor). Show us what life is like for, say, colonists of a planet in the far future, invaded and captured by Daleks, living under occupation, fighting back, that kind of thing. Human protagonists. Daleks and Cybermen cannot work without heroic protagonists to kick against them.

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  On 11/27/2022 at 8:24 AM, Llywela said:

Yeah, I think any attempt to create spin-offs centred around villains would be missing the fundamental point of Doctor Who, which has always been about people. Ordinary people thrust into extraordinary situations, fighting to help others. Daleks and Cybermen have proved popular villains over the years, but they can't be protagonists in their own right, they were created and developed as villains for the good guys to defeat. You can't build a show around that without undermining everything else.

Doctor Who has had spin-offs before, and the reason they worked was because, like DW itself, they were centred around people, ordinary people thrust into extraordinary situations. Any future spin-off would need to have that too. The only way any Dalek or Cyberman spin-off would work is if they too were built around people fighting against those villains (without help from the Doctor). Show us what life is like for, say, colonists of a planet in the far future, invaded and captured by Daleks, living under occupation, fighting back, that kind of thing. Human protagonists. Daleks and Cybermen cannot work without heroic protagonists to kick against them.

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There's something to be said for the antihero. Yes they're bad, but they're fighting against something worse. Not sure you can get worse than the Daleks, though. Unless you tone them down in order to make their enemies even worse. But yeah, I don't see it working.

  On 11/27/2022 at 9:13 AM, Anduin said:

There's something to be said for the antihero. Yes they're bad, but they're fighting against something worse. Not sure you can get worse than the Daleks, though. Unless you tone them down in order to make their enemies even worse. But yeah, I don't see it working.

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An antihero has to have redeeming features, something an audience can latch onto and root for. Daleks and Cybermen don't have redeeming features - by design. They quite deliberately have nothing about them that an audience can latch onto and root for. They can't work as protagonists. But they could potentially work as the villains of a spin-off show with actual heroic figures at its heart, fighting against them. Although even in Doctor Who the audience tends to tire of them pretty quickly!

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Showrunner Russell Davies reveals new details on his plans for Doctor Who: Annual series, Christmas specials, new details on Series 14. Summary by TVZone UK on what he says in the latest issue of Doctor Who Magazine, officially out Thursday https://www.tvzoneuk.com/post/drwho-071222

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  On 12/7/2022 at 11:06 AM, DanaK said:

Showrunner Russell Davies reveals new details on his plans for Doctor Who: Annual series, Christmas specials, new details on Series 14. Summary by TVZone UK on what he says in the latest issue of Doctor Who Magazine, officially out Thursday https://www.tvzoneuk.com/post/drwho-071222

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I like how they get Millie Gibson's name wrong. Some interesting tidbits in there, though.

My summary of the latest Doctor Who Magazine issue, out this month. I've summarized Davies' showrunner column and Scott Handcock's production diary and noted a few other things in the issue. Put behind spoiler space for length

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Am I the only one who is very annoyed with all these announcements for November 2023 while I won't have a new one to watch this Christmas?

No offense to all of you who are kind enough to share all the news! I do appreciate them. I just want a Doctor Who for Christmas since I'm not going anywhere this year.

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  On 12/22/2022 at 8:21 PM, supposebly said:

Am I the only one who is very annoyed with all these announcements for November 2023 while I won't have a new one to watch this Christmas?

No offense to all of you who are kind enough to share all the news! I do appreciate them. I just want a Doctor Who for Christmas since I'm not going anywhere this year.

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That’s the hazards of a production changeover sadly…

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  On 12/22/2022 at 8:21 PM, supposebly said:

No offense to all of you who are kind enough to share all the news! I do appreciate them. I just want a Doctor Who for Christmas since I'm not going anywhere this year.

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As @DanaK said, the absence of a holiday special this year is due to the timing of the handover - and let us remember how close we came to there not being a handover at all, to the show simply stopping after Chibnall stood down. Easy to complain now, but if we cast our minds back to when Chibnall's departure was announced, there was genuine concern that that might be it, that there was no one willing to take over. We were lucky to get any Doctor Who content at all this year, since as far as I recall Chibnall originally wanted to leave after series 13 but was persuaded to produce one last special episode for the BBC's 100th anniversary, which ended up being Whittaker's regeneration episode, the passing of the baton. Davies then agreed to return to the show, but there was never any chance that his material would be ready in time for this Christmas, that's just how production schedules work. The scripts had to be written, the actors and production team hired, the studios and locations booked. We are getting three special episodes next year for the show's 60th anniversary - and again, let us remember that at one point we didn't think there would be any anniversary episodes at all.

I've seen fans elsewhere complaining that they don't want Tennant for the three 2023 specials, they wanted to go straight to Gatwa, and to those fans I would like to point out that without Tennant and Tate, there probably wouldn't be any specials, because Gatwa was committed to another show and wasn't available in time for that filming block. Even when Davies returning was announced, we didn't expect to get any new material in 2023 for that reason.

So personally, although I miss having a holiday special this year, I am just glad that we have new Doctor Who to look forward to at all!

And that we already know there will be a Christmas special in 2024, because Davies has already written it!

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  On 12/23/2022 at 9:22 AM, Llywela said:

As @DanaK said, the absence of a holiday special this year is due to the timing of the handover - and let us remember how close we came to there not being a handover at all, to the show simply stopping after Chibnall stood down. Easy to complain now, but if we cast our minds back to when Chibnall's departure was announced, there was genuine concern that that might be it, that there was no one willing to take over. We were lucky to get any Doctor Who content at all this year, since as far as I recall Chibnall originally wanted to leave after series 13 but was persuaded to produce one last special episode for the BBC's 100th anniversary, which ended up being Whittaker's regeneration episode, the passing of the baton. Davies then agreed to return to the show, but there was never any chance that his material would be ready in time for this Christmas, that's just how production schedules work. The scripts had to be written, the actors and production team hired, the studios and locations booked. We are getting three special episodes next year for the show's 60th anniversary - and again, let us remember that at one point we didn't think there would be any anniversary episodes at all.

I've seen fans elsewhere complaining that they don't want Tennant for the three 2023 specials, they wanted to go straight to Gatwa, and to those fans I would like to point out that without Tennant and Tate, there probably wouldn't be any specials, because Gatwa was committed to another show and wasn't available in time for that filming block. Even when Davies returning was announced, we didn't expect to get any new material in 2023 for that reason.

So personally, although I miss having a holiday special this year, I am just glad that we have new Doctor Who to look forward to at all!

And that we already know there will be a Christmas special in 2024, because Davies has already written it!

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But I don't want to be reasonable!🥺 I just want to whine a bit!

I wasn't too concerned with not having any Doctor Who after Chibnail's and the Clara years of Moffat's tenure but now that I know RTD is back, I'm actually excited about it again.

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  On 12/7/2022 at 1:23 PM, DanaK said:

Note that Davies apparently clarified elsewhere in the issue that he uses Christmas as a placeholder for the whole festive period, including New Years, so the holiday specials could still be on NYD

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I don't care which day it is, I just need a Doctor Who special sometime over the holiday season. This year's Christmas already sucks so much, the absence of it for the first time since 2013 when I started watching feels like just another stone added to the pile.

 

  On 12/22/2022 at 8:21 PM, supposebly said:

Am I the only one who is very annoyed with all these announcements for November 2023 while I won't have a new one to watch this Christmas?

No offense to all of you who are kind enough to share all the news! I do appreciate them. I just want a Doctor Who for Christmas since I'm not going anywhere this year.

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Yes. This.

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  On 12/24/2022 at 6:17 PM, DanaK said:

Neil is saying "Worldwide premiere" in some sort of accent for those hard of hearing

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Whatever it is is set to play after Strictly Come Dancing according to the Doctor Who Twitter account, so about 6:25 or 6:30pm UK time or about 1:30pm in the US East Coast time

More details from TVZone UK https://www.tvzoneuk.com/post/doctor-who-trailer-images-and-cast-revealed-for-anniversary-specials

'Russell T Davies, showrunner says: “We wanted to give fans, friends and families a lovely little Christmas present - with a promise that 2023 will be a riot of Doctor Who goodness!'

ETA: BBC press release that TVZone was cribbing from https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/2022/doctor-who-sneak-peek-60th-anniversary-year

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