Tell Me Your Secrets: All Episodes Talk

[bilgistic]

Discuss all episodes of Tell Me Your Secrets here!

[Chaos Theory]

I am  three episodes in and this isn’t a bad.  I would likely like it since it was made by the sane people who did the Undoing and had the same feel to it.  And likely why Lily Rabe had a roll  on that as well.  She has a stronger lead roll in this and is the meat in this.  I am intrigued so far in how much she knew about her serial killer boy friends activities and what is happening In the town now.  Also the mom’s story who is fanatically looking  for her and burning down everyone and everything else doing it.    The “reformed” rapist I am not sure about but then I don’t really find him as interesting and I don’t particularly like the WITSEC guy either.    
 

Anyway I really do think this show would generate a lot more buzz on HBO or Netflix.   Amazon video just doesn’t have the buzz yet which is weirdly funny.

Edited February 26, 2021 by Chaos Theory

[dmc]

****I’m putting everything I consider a bombshell  for people who didn’t see all the episodes in spoiler tags
 

Psychopaths everywhere.  This is actually a good show but there’s not a single good person on it except 

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The main character sort of 

There are literally so many bad people on this show with so many different agendas I actually had to take notes to keep track.  
 

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Let’s keep track shall we

the mom who is alienating her whole family to solve her daughter’s crime.  She hires a sex offender and give him her credit card knowing he’s dangerous to track down the person she thinks is involved with her daughters crime. Then when she finds out her daughter is not who she think she is and the woman she thought was not involved with her daughters crime is innocent she still lies about it.

 

The coach who is been sexually abusing the people on his team

 

The psychiatrist who is taking advantage of all of his patients and got fired from the center where they were forcing the women they took him to give up their eggs.

 

The serial killer boyfriend

 

The supposedly daughter who disappeared but actually was working with the serial killer boyfriend and stole the main characters baby and is still alive 

 

The mother of the main character that almost killed her in an accident driving drunk 

 

The mother of the rich girl in town who locks are in her room at night 

 

The father of the rich girl in town who actually runs the center where they’re making girls harvest their eggs and murdering them

 

The rich girl who treats the girls in the center like garbage and actually put gum in one’s hair while telling her she’s nothing

 

The sex offender the claims he’s changed but still hasn’t it is just as dangerous as he was before

 

I mean wow.  Every scene seems like you see a character who you thought was decent and bomb they’re not.  

Edited February 25, 2021 by dmc

[WAnglais1]

This show is exhausting. No one is a decent person. I guess that's why the title is what it is. I'm only happy the cat made it. 

[Cosmocrush]

15 hours ago, dmc said:

I mean wow.  Every scene seems like you see a character who you thought was decent and bomb they’re not.  

Yes, the bones of this show are great but waaaay too many storylines/threads by half.  It feels bloated and crammed and only gets worse as the episodes go on (I've seen all 10).  Acting is great (unsurprising considering the cast) and sticking to main storyline of the main three characters would have made it better for me.   I had to suspend belief far too many times.  

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Why does the psychiatrist have to be creepy?  Why do we need St. Jeromes?   How did Emma just waltz up to the secret attic without anyone seeing her?   Why do we care about he psychiatrist's wife - this storyline has nothing to do with Theresa's disappearance or Emma really.   The wealthy evil doctor was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. 

 

[dmc]

6 hours ago, Cosmocrush said:

Yes, the bones of this show are great but waaaay too many storylines/threads by half.  It feels bloated and crammed and only gets worse as the episodes go on (I've seen all 10).  Acting is great (unsurprising considering the cast) and sticking to main storyline of the main three characters would have made it better for me.   I had to suspend belief far too many times.  

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Why does the psychiatrist have to be creepy?  Why do we need St. Jeromes?   How did Emma just waltz up to the secret attic without anyone seeing her?   Why do we care about he psychiatrist's wife - this storyline has nothing to do with Theresa's disappearance or Emma really.   The wealthy evil doctor was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. 

 

Watching it felt like running a marathon up Mount Everest.  It was physically and mentally exhausting.  I don't know I would call it bad, just exhausting.  

[Mabinogia]

Glad I'm not the only one who needed a rest after this. There was a LOT going on, any of which would have made for a great season, but all together it was...a lot. 

I think I mostly liked it, mainly because the acting was stellar and I love Lily Rabe so much. (I just looked her up to make sure I was spelling her name right, I'm terrible at names and OMG! I had no idea she and Hamish (who plays John) were a couple! Damn, this must have been...interesting for them). 

I did guess the twist, or at least about half way through thought to myself it wouldn't be surprising if....

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the "kidnapped" daughter was in it with the serial killer boyfriend. (like I said, terrible with names)

 

[Chaos Theory]

Ok finished the season out.  And I actually like shows where no one is a good person.  I know people tend to complain about them but I find them fascinating.   Which of the three main characters was the biggest monster.   Mary who has every reason to grieve over the disappearance of her daughter but is incapable of acknowledging anyone elses pain.  She goes as far as to blackmail a "reformed" rapist into hunting down the girlfriend of the serial killer who is believed to have killed her daughter.  In all honesty if the show had stuck with just that I would have had glowing reviews of the show.  but there were far too many other strings.  and with the 

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daughter alive and girlfriend  of the serial killer before Lily Rabe's character 

the show needs a second season or everything is kinda sorta wasted.  This would have worked alot better for me as a one and done.  Nothing else to see here.  Even if that means 13 episodes story.

Edited February 26, 2021 by Chaos Theory

[Cosmocrush]

1 hour ago, Mabinogia said:

I think I mostly liked it, mainly because the acting was stellar and I love Lily Rabe so much. (I just looked her up to make sure I was spelling her name right, I'm terrible at names and OMG! I had no idea she and Hamish (who plays John) were a couple! Damn, this must have been...interesting for them). 

I looked her up too and besides discovering her and Hamish were a couple (interesting experience for them to say the least) I found out she is also the daughter of Jill Clayburgh.  Now I feel like I know part of why she is such a good actor - I was a fan of her mother's work.  

[luna1122]

I also just realized/remembered that Hamish and Lily are a real life couple. They are just both so crazy talented.

I did not see the twist with the missing daughter coming, so good for the show for that. I do think it's way too top loaded with stories and terrible people, it could have used some editing. But all in all, it's made for some pretty interesting tv watching, if for nothing but the acting alone.

[bilgistic]

I am seven episodes in and STRUGGLING. My boyfriend really likes this, but it's just too much. The story really needed to be tightened up a lot. Every episode, something else nefarious is revealed about an existing character* or a new character is introduced and it's just exhausting. If we don't finish this show tomorrow, I might bow out altogether.

*Except for Chip Esten. I love that man. He has the market cornered on playing grieving men.

Edited February 28, 2021 by bilgistic

[Black Knight]

I just finished this. There are actually quite a few good people. Two of the three leads are awful people, of course, but most of the secondary characters were good people: Jake and Saul Barlow, Tom, Jess and Jess's friend at the group home, Esther, and Emma's boss at the hair salon all come to mind.

I liked how they kept a consistent throughline with Mary where even in scenes where she was seemingly being nice, she had a way of continually centering herself. Consequently it wasn't at all surprising to learn that this "devoted mother" had disregarded her daughter's desire to leave the swim team. Nor was I shocked that Mary lied and framed Emma rather than admit who her daughter really was. When Mary dug up the letters, by the way, I freeze-framed the pages and the first one has lines like, "How's that bitch of a mother? It's all about her" and such.

Kit sure liked playing games, didn't he? Telling the one girl's mother that he didn't kill her daughter. Technically true, but it was his equally psychotic girlfriend, plus he knew she was dead and where her body could be found, which is really what her parents wanted to know.

I'm looking forward to S2, Emma turning it around on Mary and Theresa.

[bilgistic]

We just finished this and...good grief. So much extra garbage! What was with the random storyline about egg harvesting?! And the taxidermist who may or may not be involved? What a mess this show is!

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So Theresa was the one all along that was killing women (she admitted to Karen when they were in the MN woods). Why would Karen/Emma and Kit protect Theresa and go to jail for her? Esther (the woman who delivered Freya) promised to keep Freya safe, right, so how did Freya end up with Theresa? It makes no sense. None of this made sense!

How's Mary planning to explain the

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dead

swim coach?

Edited March 1, 2021 by bilgistic

[Cosmocrush]

12 hours ago, bilgistic said:

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So Theresa was the one all along that was killing women (she admitted to Karen). Why would Karen/Emma and Kit protect Theresa and go to jail for her? It makes no sense. None of this made sense!

 

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I think Kit was killing women but Teresa joined him and of course killed on her own.   Not sure why Karen would cover except maybe she didn't want to tell Mary her daughter was a killer - until she had to of course.   The casual way Mary killed the old lady kind of confirmed Like Mother Like Daughter to me. 

 

I totally agree that the entire St. Jeromes story was completely unnecessary.  

Edited March 1, 2021 by Cosmocrush

[Tatum]

I find this show interesting, but also super baffling.

 

How is Emma in witness protection? The bad guy was already locked up? Who did they think they needed to protect her from? Also, what's the point of trying to get her to remember when it appears the bad guy would tell anyone who asks who he killed, how he did it, and why he did it? (I mean, yes, he messed with the parents but they play plenty of clips of him talking to psychiatrists about how and why he did it).

 

And if he did admit to killing a number of women, and their bodies were all recovered, why was Mary so insistent that Theresa was "taken" by the serial killer? She's delusional if she thinks a serial killer merely kidnapped her daughter instead of killing her- despite killing numerous other young women around the same time- and has kept her alive and safe all this time, and Theresa would just saunter home someday, completely un-traumatized by her seven years as a captive.

 

And in what world would the FBI let their psychiatrist just stash someone in witness protection in his own cabin? Wouldn't babysitting their witness fall to like a field agent or something, in a previously cleared safe house? Did I miss something important in an early episode and Emma isn't actually in witness protection and the doctor isn't actually with the FBI? Because that would make a lot more sense.

 

I don't mind the whole "woman with checkered past wants to just keep her nose out of trouble yet winds up stepping into a bigger mess inadvertently" premise of the show , but there is just too much going on and too many conflicting or nonsensical storylines. The whole thing feels like a mess that could have been cleaned up with just a few changes.

 

ETA: I did find the relationship between the creepy doctor and his wife intriguing. He seems completely bored with her but then he also takes the trouble of stalking her and listening in on her therapy sessions. And I can't tell if his possessiveness regarding Emma is romantically fueled, or if he just sees all his women patients as his own personal pet projects.

Edited March 4, 2021 by Tatum

[Jax7917]

Who left the receipts on the table for Mary to find ? 

[BellyLaughter]

14 hours ago, Tatum said:

I find this show interesting, but also super baffling.

 

How is Emma in witness protection? The bad guy was already locked up? Who did they think they needed to protect her from? Also, what's the point of trying to get her to remember when it appears the bad guy would tell anyone who asks who he killed, how he did it, and why he did it? (I mean, yes, he messed with the parents but they play plenty of clips of him talking to psychiatrists about how and why he did it).

 

And if he did admit to killing a number of women, and their bodies were all recovered, why was Mary so insistent that Theresa was "taken" by the serial killer? She's delusional if she thinks a serial killer merely kidnapped her daughter instead of killing her- despite killing numerous other young women around the same time- and has kept her alive and safe all this time, and Theresa would just saunter home someday, completely un-traumatized by her seven years as a captive.

 

And in what world would the FBI let their psychiatrist just stash someone in witness protection in his own cabin? Wouldn't babysitting their witness fall to like a field agent or something, in a previously cleared safe house? Did I miss something important in an early episode and Emma isn't actually in witness protection and the doctor isn't actually with the FBI? Because that would make a lot more sense.

 

I don't mind the whole "woman with checkered past wants to just keep her nose out of trouble yet winds up stepping into a bigger mess inadvertently" premise of the show , but there is just too much going on and too many conflicting or nonsensical storylines. The whole thing feels like a mess that could have been cleaned up with just a few changes.

 

ETA: I did find the relationship between the creepy doctor and his wife intriguing. He seems completely bored with her but then he also takes the trouble of stalking her and listening in on her therapy sessions. And I can't tell if his possessiveness regarding Emma is romantically fueled, or if he just sees all his women patients as his own personal pet projects.

It’s almost as if 2 seperate shows were spliced together but I have to admit I quite liked it and would like to see a second season.... not many tv shows have left me with this feeling of confusion and fascination.  I also never thought Amy Brenneman would play a character to truely loath so there’s that.... 

[Cosmocrush]

11 hours ago, Jax7917 said:

Who left the receipts on the table for Mary to find ? 

Her husband, who also had taken his trailer and left. 

[Tatum]

43 minutes ago, BellyLaughter said:

It’s almost as if 2 seperate shows were spliced together but I have to admit I quite liked it and would like to see a second season.... not many tv shows have left me with this feeling of confusion and fascination.  I also never thought Amy Brenneman would play a character to truely loath so there’s that.... 

Yeah, since this was originally pitched to TNT, I wonder if it went through a few iterations before ending up on Amazon and that's why nothing really makes sense.

Also:

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Exactly how incompetent was the FBI in the first place? Once they had arrested Kit and Karen, why was there no research into their lives before the arrest? I mean, they weren't exactly hiding out. Karen had a job where she regularly interacted with people. Karen and Theresa regularly bar hopped together. The FBI was unable to locate ANY witness who could have said, yeah, come to think of it, Karen DID hang out with a young blond girl a lot? Oh and by the way, before she took off she was pretty heavily pregnant?

And:

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With the loose lips of the MN folk, I find it hard to believe John Tyler turned Hannibal Lector was the first one to be able to track Karen's movements from teenager to murderer's girlfriend. Any investigative reporter would have been able to uncover the Grandma Moses connection far earlier.

 

And also:

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This egg harvesting story is absolutely ridiculous. I wonder if it was thrown in as a substitute for something the network deemed too dark, because it makes no sense. Yes, I suppose there could be a black market for eggs/embryos, but the payoff would not be anything close to covering the costs of paying off nearly everyone in town to look the other way, and also evidently having a full time guard outside of Pete's old shed for months on end?  Which by the way, while egg retrieval is not a quick process (it requires ultrasounds, hormones, bloodwork, etc.) neither is it one that would take months of imprisonment either. I suppose the two are not necessarily related. It seems more like the show wanted Emma to find the shelter with the days counted and are now just trying to back into a sinister reason for it, rather than having the sinister reason be the main point and look for ways for it to be revealed.

Basically, the show to me seems like it had a series of disjointed scenes they wanted to film- for example,  the inside of the doctor's shed- and are trying to form a backstory to tie them all together, which is why everything is so convoluted. 

 

It's really too bad, because the three main character's storylines are compelling for sure- a character seeking redemption, a somewhat normal person who's grief and rage has turned them into a monster, and a monster struggling to find redemption but ultimately unable to do so- but the show has been one far fetched plot contrivance after another to move the story forward.

[Mabinogia]

9 hours ago, Tatum said:

It's really too bad, because the three main character's storylines are compelling for sure- a character seeking redemption, a somewhat normal person who's grief and rage has turned them into a monster, and a monster struggling to find redemption but ultimately unable to do so

They should have streamlined it to just this, because those three characters intertwined in some twisted triangle could have been a lot more fascinating. All three actors were outstanding and could have truly carried the series without all the other flash. 

[bilgistic]

13 hours ago, Cosmocrush said:

Her husband, who also had taken his trailer and left. 

Jake, Mary's son, left the receipts and credit card statements. As he helped run the foundation, he was likely able to track her spending (well, John Tyler's spending), which was a stupid thing for her to not think about. She cried out his name when she saw the stuff on the table.

[Cosmocrush]

11 hours ago, bilgistic said:

Jake, Mary's son, left the receipts and credit card statements. As he helped run the foundation, he was likely able to track her spending (well, John Tyler's spending), which was a stupid thing for her to not think about. She cried out his name when she saw the stuff on the table.

Oh okay.  I thought it was her husband since his trailer/home was gone when she pulled up.   And I thought Jake left with him.  

[Tatum]

17 hours ago, Mabinogia said:

They should have streamlined it to just this, because those three characters intertwined in some twisted triangle could have been a lot more fascinating. All three actors were outstanding and could have truly carried the series without all the other flash. 

Yes, but I think they should have intertwined them a little differently. Mary hiring/blackmailing John into finding Karen was a pretty ridiculous ask- while John was able to do it, I do not believe Mary had any reason to think he would have been able to- the guy worked a slew of menial jobs, and his ability to rape women was more related to his physical proximity to them while their guard was down than the expert manipulation he demonstrated later in the series. On top of that, Mary threatened him by exposing him if he didn't do as she wished...um, hi, he's a convicted rapist, he'll have to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life, she's not telling anybody anything that isn't public information.

 

Also, Mary left a paper trail a mile wide when she engaged him- I understand the audience is supposed to realize she's unraveling to the point where logic, morals, and ethics are no more for her, but using her foundation to fund this witch hunt would have major tax implications, if not legal ones, and even she would have used a little more discretion. The whole thing just seemed like really sloppy writing. Really, it would have made a lot more sense if Mary simply hired a private investigator who happened to be a rapist (not convicted) who was trying to reform and ended up escalating into something worse. I understand the show is trying to demonstrate just how monstrous Mary has become, but she was plenty loathsome without the addition of her strong arming a convicted rapist into tracking a woman down. That was just extraneous.

 

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I did like the parallel though of Karen/Mary facing off, when both women realize they still love someone who has done such horrible things. The difference is Karen judges herself for it, while Mary has gone into deep denial. While Mary knew she was lying about Karen attacking her, I believe she may not have been willing to believe everything Karen said about Theresa was true. She may still be clinging to the idea that while Theresa had a whole side to her Mary never knew, and that Theresa may well be out there alive and well and have no interest in contacting her mother, it doesn't mean she's a murderer.

 

[bilgistic]

14 hours ago, Cosmocrush said:

Oh okay.  I thought it was her husband since his trailer/home was gone when she pulled up.   And I thought Jake left with him.  

Jake may have gone with Saul; that wasn't clear. Saul left because Mary didn't want to get back together even after their rendezvous in the trailer.

[bilgistic]

10 hours ago, Tatum said:

Yes, but I think they should have intertwined them a little differently. Mary hiring/blackmailing John into finding Karen was a pretty ridiculous ask- while John was able to do it, I do not believe Mary had any reason to think he would have been able to- the guy worked a slew of menial jobs, and his ability to rape women was more related to his physical proximity to them while their guard was down than the expert manipulation he demonstrated later in the series. On top of that, Mary threatened him by exposing him if he didn't do as she wished...um, hi, he's a convicted rapist, he'll have to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life, she's not telling anybody anything that isn't public information.

 

Also, Mary left a paper trail a mile wide when she engaged him- I understand the audience is supposed to realize she's unraveling to the point where logic, morals, and ethics are no more for her, but using her foundation to fund this witch hunt would have major tax implications, if not legal ones, and even she would have used a little more discretion. The whole thing just seemed like really sloppy writing. Really, it would have made a lot more sense if Mary simply hired a private investigator who happened to be a rapist (not convicted) who was trying to reform and ended up escalating into something worse. I understand the show is trying to demonstrate just how monstrous Mary has become, but she was plenty loathsome without the addition of her strong arming a convicted rapist into tracking a woman down. That was just extraneous.

 

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I did like the parallel though of Karen/Mary facing off, when both women realize they still love someone who has done such horrible things. The difference is Karen judges herself for it, while Mary has gone into deep denial. While Mary knew she was lying about Karen attacking her, I believe she may not have been willing to believe everything Karen said about Theresa was true. She may still be clinging to the idea that while Theresa had a whole side to her Mary never knew, and that Theresa may well be out there alive and well and have no interest in contacting her mother, it doesn't mean she's a murderer.

 

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Again, Theresa admitted to Karen/Emma that she (Theresa) murdered the women herself/of her own accord, so we have to assume that Kit was innocent but there was sufficient evidence (in a trial not shown) to convict him.

We can also assume that the same evidence convicted Karen/Emma until she turned state's witness (presumably) against Kit in a (presumed) attempt to get her child back. It's really frustrating that there was so much time spent on a rogue psychiatrist on the federal payroll and a meandering, unresolved side plot about a taxidermist and the town doctor harvesting teenaged prostitutes' eggs instead of answering the questions posed in the main storyline.

[Tatum]

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6 hours ago, bilgistic said:

Again, Theresa admitted to Karen/Emma that she (Theresa) murdered the women herself/of her own accord, so we have to assume that Kit was innocent but there was sufficient evidence (in a trial not shown) to convict him.

 

 

Well, no, I don't think that's true-

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Kit did admit to killing women. There's a recording of him someone is listening to where he says he "freed" them and you can call him a monster if you want but he helped them escape the pressure of being perfect. He may have been in league with Theresa during part or the whole time, but he was guilty.

 

6 hours ago, bilgistic said:

We can also assume that the same evidence convicted Karen/Emma until she turned state's witness (presumably) against Kit in a (presumed) attempt to get her child back.

I don't possibly see how. I mean, I think you're right, that's what the show is trying to say, but it doesn't make any sense.

 

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The only crime Karen witnessed Kit doing (or she thought she saw him do), was Amy Walker, a woman who's body wasn't uncovered for 5 years and was never even unofficially connected to Kit. So it couldn't have been her that put the FBI on Kit's trail. I believe we are supposed to assume Kit slipped up somewhere else, and he admitted to that crime once arrested. The only thing we ever saw Karen contribute was to point out that one of the blond missing women was a tattoo customer of Kit's, which isn't exactly solid evidence he killed her.

 

I don't see how Karen could have ever told them anything useful, because as we found out, she didn't know anything, prior to Amy Walker.

And I don't believe the FBI would waste valuable resources on witness protection/therapy for a woman who "might" remember something important about a guy who had already been convicted. It sounds like most of Karen's testimony boiled down to, I can't remember what happened, and I don't know Theresa Barlow. For that matter, considering Karen was never present to any of the women's murders, there couldn't be any evidence that she was involved. It may be highly unlikely that she could live with Kit and not know, but they couldn't prove she did.

 

Also:

 

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So...either Theresa kills Amy, or she does it with Kit, and then Theresa flips on Kit when Karen walks in, and the two women run off together. Theresa then turns on Karen, Karen hits her with a rock and runs away to have the baby at Esther's. At some point she returns to Kit, and it's unclear what she remembers or doesn't remember. She seems pretty sure Kit is bad though, when she says "you have to forget about her and forget about us" which maybe was a reference to her believing Kit killed Amy, or let it be done, but then she sure never told the police that because remember they never thought Amy was killed by Kit.

 

The only thing that makes sense is that in the time between Karen giving birth and this scene, Kit has been outed as the murderer of other women, and Karen has forgotten the whole experience with Theresa and Amy Walker. But then there would have been nothing for Karen to tell the police or FBI so how exactly is she a state witness?

 

Unbelievably sloppy writing. I understand that when you tell a story in out of order flashbacks it may take awhile to piece it together, but this to me really reads like the writers didn't even flesh out what happened, and are just making it up as they go along without regard to these flashbacks conflicting each other.

Edited March 7, 2021 by Tatum

[bilgistic]

That all makes sense. I truly lost anything that Kit said early on what with all the extra plotlines that went nowhere and had no impact on the main story.

[Tatum]

20 hours ago, bilgistic said:

That all makes sense. I truly lost anything that Kit said early on what with all the extra plotlines that went nowhere and had no impact on the main story.

You mean you forgot something that was mentioned in passing once, and seemingly retconned a few episodes later? No way!

 

The writers really wasted all the talent they had by not figuring out a straightforward story line (I don't mean they had to tell it in chronological order, but they still had to figure out a way to tell it so it could be interpreted in a chronological order and retain some semblance of logic). The amount of content they had could have filled 3 seasons and instead they tried to do everything and completed nothing.

[Kiss my mutt]

I generally liked this but I think I missed the significance of the whole Jerome House plot.  It just didn’t make sense or seemed to belong to the story and who were these eggs going to? Is this town barren except for the orphans? Lol

Is Abel the taxidermist? Why wasn’t he supposed to be mentioned? 

Also weird and gross-Mary having an affair with Theresa’s old boyfriend. She definitely is a monster in this, burying the truth back up and doubling down on destroying Karen.  

Did Theresa kill the swim coach? Did she really turn into a psychopath because her mom wouldn’t let her quit? Now I’m wondering if she killed her dog too! 
Despite all of the idiosyncrasies, I really devoured it and loved the the twists and exploring the dark corners of people’s minds. 
 

[Tatum]

21 hours ago, Kiss my mutt said:

I generally liked this but I think I missed the significance of the whole Jerome House plot.  It just didn’t make sense or seemed to belong to the story and who were these eggs going to? Is this town barren except for the orphans? Lol

Is Abel the taxidermist? Why wasn’t he supposed to be mentioned? 

Also weird and gross-Mary having an affair with Theresa’s old boyfriend. She definitely is a monster in this, burying the truth back up and doubling down on destroying Karen.  

Did Theresa kill the swim coach? Did she really turn into a psychopath because her mom wouldn’t let her quit? Now I’m wondering if she killed her dog too! 
Despite all of the idiosyncrasies, I really devoured it and loved the the twists and exploring the dark corners of people’s minds. 
 

Wow I did not catch that Mary's boytoy was Theresa's ex. Super gross.

Regardless, believe that Mary killed the swim coach.

As far as how Theresa "turned"- I think we are supposed to gather it was a perfect storm- maybe she had murderous tendencies already, but she was molested/raped by her swim coach, she tried to tell her mother and was brushed off (I don't believe she told her mother about the sex abuse but may have felt based on how her mother responded to everything else she wouldn't be sympathetic), and she met Kit at an impressionable age and he was clearly into at least talking about killing young, overachieving blond girls, if not actually doing it. How much he did and how much Theresa did was never made clear. She said she did everything, but that could be in about any context (as far as just being about Amy Walker vs all the other girls, or maybe she meant she was involved in everything with Kit).

 

Really, I strongly suspect the original series was revamped a few times and the original version showed a much darker Emma/Karen and they cleaned it up to make the main character have a heart of gold who just really trusts the wrong people.

 

I think the egg story was backed into- the writers wanted the psychiatrist involved in something sinister involving young women, and they probably felt that an underage prostitution ring/human trafficking or black market adoption was too overdone, so they settled on illegal egg harvesting.

 

As far as taxidermy I have no idea what that was about, and I bet the writers couldn't say either.

 

I also think Emma was supposed to be closer to the psychiatrist and be more shocked by his involvement in the something sinister (as was the audience), but they kind of gave that up and made him super creepy and boundary crossing from his first scene.

[ferjy]

On 2/25/2021 at 7:02 PM, Chaos Theory said:

This would have worked alot better for me as a one and done.

Absolutely agree. I liked it all except for the very ending. 

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Turning it into a revenge drama? 

Just so they can have a second season. I’m picturing major action and shootouts with very little story next season.

 

Edited June 21, 2021 by ferjy

[ferjy]

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Cosmocrush:

The wealthy evil doctor was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. 

 

I figured he’d be evil in a major way in the end. You don’t get John-Boy to play a small role. 😉