FormerMod-a1 February 25, 2020 Share February 25, 2020 Quote Karen introduces Will and Grace to the new love of her life, Phil, but Will and Grace become suspicious that he has sinister intentions; when Miss Coco Peru tells Jack that he's closing down his bar, Estefan encourages Jack to become its new owner. Original air date: February 27, 2020 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/106864-s11e12-filthy-phil-part-i/
Annber03 February 28, 2020 Share February 28, 2020 Joel McHale! Interesting to see him playing a character like this. I like the idea of Jack taking over that bar. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/106864-s11e12-filthy-phil-part-i/#findComment-5968887
Blakeston February 28, 2020 Share February 28, 2020 I thought the Karen plotline was one of the weakest things I've ever seen on this show. 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/106864-s11e12-filthy-phil-part-i/#findComment-5969098
Annber03 February 28, 2020 Share February 28, 2020 It does seem a rather unusually serious plotline for a show like this. I did like when Grace was trying to reference that podcast on Dirty John and it led to her and Will having this exchange, though (may be paraphrasing a bit): "Remember that podcast we listened to?" "The one about the journalist who investigated that murder in the South?" "No, not that one." "The one about the journalist who investigated that kidnapping in the South?" "No..." "The one about the journalist who investigated that kidnapping and murder in the South, who was then kidnapped and murdered?" 9 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/106864-s11e12-filthy-phil-part-i/#findComment-5969126
Aileen February 28, 2020 Share February 28, 2020 The bar was never a plot point in the original series, right? It feels so odd to hear about how important it is to Jack. The Karen/Joel McHale plot is very unsettling. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/106864-s11e12-filthy-phil-part-i/#findComment-5969237
KWalkerInc February 28, 2020 Share February 28, 2020 (edited) This plotline makes Karen look extremely desperate and stupid. They could have had a guy after her money without it being so dark and obvious. Joel McHale guest-starred on an early season of the show. He was Grace's date at a showing of Seussical: The Musical when she learned that Will's father was having an affair with Tina after she ran into them at the show. ETA: Also, Karen just ended things with Jenny's brother--a very nice guy with whom she had hot sex--a few episodes ago because she only wanted a fling. Now she is moving so fast with someone she barely knows. I know she is always drunk/high, but this is ridiculous. Edited February 28, 2020 by KWalkerInc Had another thought about Karen's relationship. 1 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/106864-s11e12-filthy-phil-part-i/#findComment-5969268
Bill1978 February 28, 2020 Share February 28, 2020 4 hours ago, KWalkerInc said: Joel McHale guest-starred on an early season of the show. He was Grace's date at a showing of Seussical: The Musical when she learned that Will's father was having an affair with Tina after she ran into them at the show. Thank you. I had read he had appeared previously as a different character. You've saved me having to watch the episode to discover who he actually was. Overall a weak episode, but most time Part 1's are. It was nice to see Grace and Karen interacting again, even if at one stage I thought they had stand ins (during the kitchen chat) I did enjoy Will & Grace looking down at the To Be Continued at the end. I chuckled a little at that. And I'm guessing I really should know Coco Peru, for them to keep bringing them back like they are someone important. I like them on the show but I really am clueless about the drag scene and confess I really only know RuPaul. Glad to see the show knows the limitations of Gu Kenworthy's acting unlike American Horror Story. 1 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/106864-s11e12-filthy-phil-part-i/#findComment-5969393
Snow Apple February 28, 2020 Share February 28, 2020 Hated it. They made Karen look stupid and weak when she's always been the opposite. If Karen ever get on her knees and keep eye contact for anyone, it's because *she* wants to and *she* is in control of the situation. I just hope she gets revenge next week to make up for the awfulness of part one. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/106864-s11e12-filthy-phil-part-i/#findComment-5969496
Bruinsfan February 28, 2020 Share February 28, 2020 I was hoping for a reveal that Karen had Phil's number and was playing along so she could enjoy his dismay when she gets tired of sex with him and kicks him to the curb (perhaps into the NYPD's loving arms) But the end of the episode makes that extremely unlikely. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/106864-s11e12-filthy-phil-part-i/#findComment-5969647
iMonrey February 28, 2020 Share February 28, 2020 Quote The bar was never a plot point in the original series, right? No, but Coco appeared at least once in the original series. It was a Thanksgiving episode. Well, at least we finally had Grace and Karen interacting in the same scene again. Nice to see the actresses put on their big girl pants and be professionals. I only ever see Joel McHale playing a creep. I never buy him as a nice guy. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/106864-s11e12-filthy-phil-part-i/#findComment-5970016
Aileen February 28, 2020 Share February 28, 2020 2 hours ago, iMonrey said: No, but Coco appeared at least once in the original series. It was a Thanksgiving episode. Well, at least we finally had Grace and Karen interacting in the same scene again. Nice to see the actresses put on their big girl pants and be professionals. I only ever see Joel McHale playing a creep. I never buy him as a nice guy. Have you watched community? He was a decent guy on that 🙂 After awhile of just being smarmy. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/106864-s11e12-filthy-phil-part-i/#findComment-5970248
ams1001 February 29, 2020 Share February 29, 2020 5 hours ago, Aileen said: Have you watched community? He was a decent guy on that 🙂 After awhile of just being smarmy. I mostly know him from Match Game. He's fun on that. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/106864-s11e12-filthy-phil-part-i/#findComment-5970886
juliet73 February 29, 2020 Share February 29, 2020 I love Joel McHale and he needs to be a series regular on another show. However, this episode was pretty dumb. I could see this story happening with Grace, but definitely not with Karen. Jack buying the bar plotline was pretty lame too. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/106864-s11e12-filthy-phil-part-i/#findComment-5972266
Gothish520 March 3, 2020 Share March 3, 2020 On 2/28/2020 at 12:35 PM, iMonrey said: I only ever see Joel McHale playing a creep. I never buy him as a nice guy. On 2/28/2020 at 3:05 PM, Aileen said: Have you watched community? He was a decent guy on that 🙂 After awhile of just being smarmy. He was a decent guy on the short-lived series The Great Indoors too. I liked that show and was bummed when it got cancelled. I hope the Karen/Phil situation is resolved very satisfactorily. I like the idea of Jack buying the bar. And I've really enjoyed Estefan the last few episodes, he's seems more real. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/106864-s11e12-filthy-phil-part-i/#findComment-5978284
Aileen March 3, 2020 Share March 3, 2020 Totally agree with the above comment about the kitchen chat. Upon re-watching it, it's pretty clear that the two actresses were not onstage together. When they would cut to a back view of full-body Karen and then a closer up of her face, she was never in the same spot. 3 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/106864-s11e12-filthy-phil-part-i/#findComment-5978320
MBJ March 5, 2020 Share March 5, 2020 (edited) On 2/28/2020 at 8:08 AM, Snow Apple said: Hated it. They made Karen look stupid and weak when she's always been the opposite. If Karen ever get on her knees and keep eye contact for anyone, it's because *she* wants to and *she* is in control of the situation. On 2/29/2020 at 5:33 PM, juliet73 said: I love Joel McHale and he needs to be a series regular on another show. However, this episode was pretty dumb. I could see this story happening with Grace, but definitely not with Karen. Jack buying the bar plotline was pretty lame too. The funny thing is, I'm rewatching the end of Season 6, and it's almost the same storyline. Karen gives up a bunch of things she wants and a lot of her personality for Lyle Finster. It gets to be so bad that immediately after they get married, she wants a divorce. When Lyle is doing his wedding toast, he lists about 8 things she did for him that she didn't want to do. She gave up her last name, she gave up the song she wanted to walk down the aisle to, she got married in Vegas, and she went through with the wedding even though Grace couldn't make it. (And more). All things she didn't want to do but Lyle made her. Edit, Oop, and now I'm watching a season 7 episode where Will Arnett guest stars and he plays a dancer that scams Karen into doing something for him and then immediately drops her. Edited March 5, 2020 by Ms Blue Jay 1 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/106864-s11e12-filthy-phil-part-i/#findComment-5982164
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