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I could buy that Steve is playing Oliver as depressed if the fact that Oliver is depressed becomes part of the story. Otherwise, what's the point of it? This show has never ever been subtle about anything ever, so I would need it to become text. He's going through the motions, sure, but unless it becomes a narrative beat, it feels just like back when KC would make weird acting choices that didn't pan out because that wasn't the story the show was telling.

A simpler way to look at the viewer loss is that almost 1 in 3 people stopped watching the show. Any other network and there would be a shake up going on, it's just the CW that is okay with taking live broadcast losses on every show. They don't care for real, because WB and CBS owns the shows and recoup money is post views. But if the CW goes with a month long hiatus again after ep 15, they are gonna be tempting fate hard-core.

Man, those are bad wigs on Kelly and Rutina.

I hadn't noticed that last week's episode adjusted down from .60 to .56. And 1.608k viewers was a new low [lower than 505's 1.612k]. Fast nationals for last night's ep are at .60 again this week, but yeah, Arrow is dangerously close of an 0.5. http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/arrow-tv-show-cw-season-five-ratings/

They can get him out on a technicality here if he says he's only the Green Arrow, not the Hood nor the Arrow. That was the guy who committed multiple crimes, and that guy went to prison and then died there. Since then Oliver killed two terrorists, Ra's and DD -- that can easily get a positive spin [he got the help of the entire city to fight DD, that one is super easy]. And he accidentally killed a cop, but that one can be spun as well, I mean, Chase has already spun it when he figured out it was a set up.

Yes. 512-513-514-515 are the February Sweeps episodes.

I am so super uncomfortable with this possibility that whatever OLIVER thinks about what Felicity's doing re: Helix/Pandora is gonna be the ~moral parameter~ for her story. And it looks like this is what they're setting up too, that Oliver's opinion here is the one that will matter. Yuck.

I'm gonna take it as Felicity doesn't want to talk politics with the people on her team specifically, who all of a sudden weirdly sound like a rich waspy clueless arrogant white male showrunner, but she's way too polite to say THAT to them.

I don't see the point of the discussion in the first place. So, what, Team Arrow stops using guns forever? [But arrows and sonic waves are a-okay, amirite?] Because the other option is going, "eh, okay, we need the guns because the villains also have them", which is the status quo anyway. This is gonna be so dumb.

Oh my dear lord Guggie is gonna tackle the issue of "discourse" as well as gun control? What's the over/under this guy starts a political fandom war tomorrow?

I 'ship it.

Yeah, the speculation we came up with here a few weeks ago is Talia is the big bad, Prometheus is her muscle, because they're copying The Dark Knight Rises. Talia is Talia, Prometheus is Bane.

I'm wondering if Prometheus knows Vigilante is Chase, and is setting this all up somehow to get Oliver/Team Arrow to kill him -- and this time it'll go different for Chase than how it went for Mayo.

Okay, but then the anvil has to fall on her head, not ours.

Oooooh. We could then have Oliver say the "Dinah Laurel Lance always trying to save the world" curse all the way before the Gambit 10 years ago, like a flashback within the flashback #flashbackception, cut to present time, Oliver says the curse to Tinah for ~symbolism~. And then an anvil falls on our heads.

They need to wrap up the picture of doom for good, so it would be something like, Oliver glues the beard on his face, then looks at the picture of doom, then has ~a vision~ of St. Laurel -- cut to present time -- and he gives the picture of doom to Lance for ~feels~, or maybe to Tinah for lulz.

No, because "showrunner" is not a credited position in the industry. But the WGA has very strict rules for writing credits. And on tv specifically, co-producer, consulting-producer and producer credits on episodic media is also overseen/need approval of the WGA too -- because almost all producers on tv are also writers, or at least involved in the creative process anyway. And usually people got up the writer/producer level to reach showrunner, unless they own the project, which is not the case here. A much more normal approach for BamBam here, if they want him as an "ideas guy" on the show, would be to give him a consulting producer credit. That way he could pitch ideas and be involved in the creative aspect, without being promoted to showrunner without a single writing credit to his name, and only one producer credit -- but it's an "associate" producer one, which is not a creative position, it's the person who makes sure the ideas of the top/creative producers get executed. And that's a credit from 2010 too, so, forever ago.

TVLine has similar quotes as Craig, but they don't imply the word "yet" after "conversations", and it ends on low key Guggie snark: http://tvline.com/2017/02/13/arrow-season-5-katie-cassidy-contract-status-willa-holland/

LOL. I figured rehab back when they were shooting the 2 eps she already missed, not right now.

The WB is usually good at helping talent when they need it. Silver lining.

Oh, man, Willa totally got sent to rehab, didn't she. That's totally showrunner speak for when an actor is struggling. :/

I saw on the Twitters someone mentioning Willa's contract is 14 episodes this season, but I can't seem to copy links right now. HUH.

ASSUMING CRASH POSITIONS.

Bwahahaha LOL. That's so precious.

They mocked The Mentalist A LOT on Psych: