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The flaw in the logic of ~O/F drove people away~ is that 600k people dropped the show immediately after O/F broke up. It does not compute.

I think these fools just liked the idea of Felicity finally getting use of her legs back JUST to walk out on Oliver, like a visual punchline. So basically they went with bringing a really really lame dad joke to life.

I figure it requires a membership to the WGA. Which means having writing credits, because the WB is not gonna be dumb enough to try and circumvent the guild. One of the most common practices in TV is when someone writes a pilot that got picked up, but they have no idea how to be a showrunner? Either the studio enrolls them at the WGA Showrunner Training program, OR they bring in a person who CAN be a showrunner [i.e. write and produce at the same time]. And that person is gonna head the writers room, while the creator is just the ideas person. But not the showrunner. A showrunner is in charge of the production draft of every script. That one is out of the hands of whoever wrote the episode. That one is on the showrunner. Sometimes the episodic writer nailed it, and the script is good to go. Sometimes it needs massive rewritings. So it's A LOT of writing. And rewriting. While getting distracted by having to be a producer.

This is completely anecdotal, but a couple of people I know IRL quit Arrow on 415, and they were fed up with the BMD, and annoyed that the show was going back to will they/won't they, but their trigger was the miracle walk. That's what broke their suspension of disbelief. And... I can see that being an actual "oh my god this show is too ridiculous" moment for folks in that 600k exodus, like, it wasn't that the timing was terribad awful, but that was what broke the camel.

Interviews are work. The amount of press an actor does is *negotiated*, and a lot of times, put in contract. Usually, the longer the contract runs, the less press work the actor does. Because less interviews = less work = awesome perk. She still has to do press days on set if she's available, and go to network/studio mandated stuff, but this is super normal, regulars on a 5 year show not doing press anymore. That's the newbies' job now.

Maybe verbal ONLY then, and not put physical violence from the heroes toward a 17 year old as second choice AT ALL?

Wait, so you want someone on Team Arrow to hit a teenage girl?

The one thing all of those folks have in common? They're writers.

But BamBam has zero writing credits to his name? How would someone who never wrote a script in his life be *the head write*r?

They'll never go for social conscience when Guggenheim is on Twitter posting about how "PC culture" is to blame for what's going on in the world. He totally lacks the tools to write better representation.

L+7 numbers for 510: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/dvr-ratings/week-19-broadcast-live-7-ratings-jan-23-29-2017/ Live + SD: 0.6/1.682k L+7: 1.1/2.815k

The main reason I'm finding this season to be lacking is on Steve, and solely on him. And while it's not a writing influence, it has had a ginormous effect on the show: it's his acting choices in present time scenes that are making me dislike Oliver. And those are deliberate, because I'm actually digging flashback Bratva Oliver, and I can see glimpses of the Oliver I liked whenever he's in scenes with actors that are so giving that if feels like Amell can't help but engage. Paul Blackthorne did that to him in this last ep. Josh Segarra seems to have that effect on him too. But with everyone else outside of OTA, he's not giving me *anything* but constipated robot, and well, there's so little OTA that constipated robot is now the star of the show. And I do not understand the acting choice to disengage. To be emotionally closed off, or to look like he'd rather be elsewhere in so many scenes. Is it related to dudebros telling him Oliver was emasculated last season? Is he bored? Is he annoyed corporate suits are dumping IPs on his show? I don't know why he's playing S1 detached Oliver in S5. All I know is that I hate to watch it.

In Portuguese we have an expression that translates to "taking the target out of one's asshole", which is what I think when he says he can't influence story.

One of my friends pointed out earlier that this is the greatest action sequence Matt Reeves ever directed: I kinda agree.

Steve mentioned in an interview that he gets copied in several drafts of the scripts, and that he gives notes on them -- I remember he even said not just on Oliver stuff, but all stuff -- that IS literally the process of how non-writers have influence in script. I mean, maybe they ignore 99.9% of his notes, but he's definitely part of the writing process.

I read that as hand job and wondered what episode I missed.

It was a conjunction of factors. The biggest aspect was that there was a month long hiatus between 415 and 416. That was made worse by leaving the show on a such mega downer after a garbage fire storyline everyone hated. You want people to come back to your show after a hiatus, you give them something to look forward to, or a super shocking cliffhanger, you don't give them a downer breakup followed by a loltastic embarrassing miracle walk.

Imo they need to end 515 in a positive O/F note for them to survive hellatus without a new audience exodus, but I'm using human logic to think that, and they don't.

Natalie Abrams was asking for questions a few days ago, so yes?

The part that makes me point and laugh forever is Guggie admitted the problem with execution last year was they got fixated on pre-determined beats they needed to hit... and they're doing it again, because the whole avoidance of talking about Felicity going dark is obviously because they have pre-determined beats to hit in the upcoming episodes. Insanity is expecting a different outcome, right.

Haha, yep, there they go, curls that roll away from the face. This one just feels like the hair stylist forgot to set them loose after being done with the curling iron. But the technique is the. exact. same. on every woman's hair ever on television.

It's not just the two of them. It's the exact same hair style for pretty much every woman on TV -- loose waves, always curled away from the face on each side. Even short hair gets it: Why Everyone on TV Has the Same Hair: http://www.racked.com/2016/3/11/11195958/tv-hair-jane-the-virgin-empire-younger

I think the break up is on the EPs. They set it up in 408 to break them up in 415 in a super typical predictable way [that they screwed up by using the worst ever storyline to do it]. What I believe happened re: network interference is that the EPs probably meant to reunite O/F somewhere in 421-423, and that's when some suit told them to stall.

I'm putting the conversation between Oliver and Tinah in the plus column because when Oliver repeated the anchor line to the reporter my reaction was "omg Oliver is quoting something he heard 2 days ago, not FIVE YEARS AGO IN A FLASHBACK OMG IT IS A RUSSIAN MIRACLE!"

This post that I imagine was moved -- it has spoilers for episode 14, so it shouldn't be in the episode thread: Also, maybe we could get a definite ruling about live-posting the episodes? We always did it here in the spoiler thread, the only rule was that the comments couldn't be vague. Should live-posting be done in the episode thread from now on?