apinknightmare

Yes, I'm aware of this. I don't need it explained to me (not sure if you're intending to be condescending or not). I have zero issues with the discussion about the way that female comic characters are sexualized (although given that this particular comic is based off of a line of figurines modeled after pin-ups, it's probably not the best comic to have the discussion over) - I agree with the arguments here regarding the female characters being drawn and marketed to the male gaze. I don't particularly like it either. I dislike the way this particular argument is evolving (that the women depicted here are trashy and not good role models), because even though these particular characters are drawn by and sexualized by men, there are real women who choose to dress this way, and that doesn't automatically make them trashy and/or bad role models. Not sure if it's intentional or not, but I felt like I should say something, so I did. And I agree with you that the comics outfits aren't practical - it is unsafe I said so in an earlier comment. And I merely brought it up Felicity's wardrobe to prove my point - she is also being sexualized (not to the extent that the comics characters are, given that T&A like that is probably not in CW's business model) to appeal to the audience, but it seems to me that everyone here is able to see past that and value her smarts and her skill.

She was definitely CW-sexualized beginning in the second season, when her wardrobe went from bulky sweaters and panda flats to short, tight dresses with various cutouts in them. She's meant to be seen as attractive AND capable and smart and brave. But yeah, I don't want to fight. I'm going to bow out now, because I think that the argument being made here is a really slippery and potentially sexist slope.

If how smart, talented, brave or heroic these women and girls might be is less important than what they're wearing, then it's because the reader is making it that way. I'm not arguing that there aren't people out there who read these books specifically because the women are sexualized. Of course there are, or else they wouldn't be drawn that way! But you're arguing that the actual story and their actions are irrelevant and invaluable because of what they're wearing. Do you think the same thing when Felicity saves the city wearing a dress with a short skirt and a boob window?

How the characters are drawn and whether are not they are role models shouldn't be part of the same conversation. Arguing that they look trashy and that young girls shouldn't look up to them as role models indicates that their choice in clothing is more important than the content of their character and what they're actually doing and fighting for in this story. It is possible to find their actions admirable and worthy of looking up to and dislike that they're drawn in a sexualized way.

I'm not a street fighter, so I doubt what makes me feel powerful is the same thing that would make someone who is feel powerful. I imagine something skin-tight would absolutely fit the bill. Skimpy? Probably not so much, just given the sheer amount of skin you're showing - it'd make you vulnerable to a lot of injury. Like @WindofChange wrote, most of the female characters in these comics are written for the male gaze - no denying it. I wish the outfits were just more logistically sound - someone can still look sexy without leaving swaths of skin open for cuts/bruises. But I also hate the assertion that what a woman chooses to wear somehow makes her a bad role model, or trashy.

Maybe 3-Dragon printed him a special blend!

I think it's just the snow falling that makes it look weird.

If Iris didn't think of Barry as a brother, then she would've never mentioned to Barry that they were "like brother and sister." Clearly her feelings toward him changed - or I hope they did, otherwise...weird. Still doesn't change the fact that she felt that way when we met her - and a lot of people get hung up on their first impressions.

Or they can see when the votes come in, and it was a round-the-clock thing.

Iris definitely saw Barry as some kind of brother-like person considering her comment when we were first introduced to her. Her pointing out that they aren't biologically related doesn't negate the fact that she compared their relationship to that of a brother and sister to begin with. When that's your first introduction to a love interest, it sticks for some people. I don't understand why WestAllen shippers can't concede that it might be icky for some people, even though it doesn't bother them. There isn't anything wrong with that.

I didn't ultimately have a problem with it (just like I don't have a problem with Barry and Iris apart from the fact that Barry is involved), but it did skeeve me a bit to think how Digg and Sara must have had to actively avoid thinking about how they were doing the same thing with a person that their brother/sister had. Kind of like Oliver realizing his father had slept with Isabel too. Ick.

::whispers:: and had Diggle lusting after his brother's wife

Yeah. I know that the "we're kind of like brother and sister" line was supposed to indicate how very much Iris didn't think of Barry as a love interest back then. And I think it's a really great way of expressing that there's zero chance there...for people you don't ever plan on getting together. Since they clearly did plan on getting Iris and Barry together eventually, I think the best course of action would've just been having her reiterate that he's her best friend and that she wants him to talk to her about the women he's interested in because that's what friends do! It's just as much of a blow for Barry, without the weird subtext for people who might be creeped out by the brother/sister comment coupled with the fact that they grew up together in the same house.

Whatever VC Andrews-loving hack decided that it was a good idea to have a future love interest even mutter the words "even though we pretty much grew up in the same house together, and we're kind of like brother and sister", regardless of what mess came after it, is a huge bonehead and should no longer be employed as a writer (unless, of course, they are ghostwriting for VC Andrews, in which case that kind of thing is a prerequisite for the job).

Yes. Clearly. I’ve corrected in case anyone gets confused.

I wouldn't mind this Dragon twist if they didn't present it as if he was some sort of mastermind IN THE SAME EPISODE where they showed him trying to escape from the very plan he set in motion. He set up Cayden James to avenge his son and seemingly had no plan whatsoever to deal with the fact that James was building this bomb that would level the city. And even went along with doing what he had to do to help James get the pieces he needed to do it! If only there was a deleted scene of him secretly sweating the situation like, "Whew I nearly fucked that up." This stupid show and its stupid gotchas. I WISH I COULD QUIT YOU.

Curtis in particular is stupid for trusting him, since he's been around BOTH times Rene sold Oliver out (first to Tobias Church, and then to the FBI). I also find it amusing that Rene regrets what he did - and acknowledges that it was a betrayal all the while continuing to be angry at Oliver for not trusting him, even though he...admits he did something that makes him untrustworthy. LOL

I hope he walks through a door he printed himself. This gigantic idiot really is the big bad, isn't he? Ugh.

If only!

I just got a good look of that Quentin & BS pic and it looks like he's exposing himself and she doesn't like what she sees. Someone should've thought that through, haha.

See, his story arc this season has me conditioned to think he's saying, "I packed a bag for us. We'll leave when you're discharged."

So I guess it IS Jamie Sheridan.

Best of luck, team. You’re all gonna die.

I don’t know why, but I wasn’t expecting Barry to be a key part of her suiting up. I was thinking another earth’s Iris or...something else. Should’ve known!

I hope they didn’t saddle poor Caitlin with kissing that bag of trash or his lookalike more than once.