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Yes!!! I just know that after the pause she looked into the camera and got an evil grin on her face/did a major eyeroll/muttered "I killed them all" (ala Robert Durst) or something. Maybe she did a headstand like Jodi Arias, though that seems a bit out of character.

Yes, I saw his photo moved to the other side of the board, so I thought that I missed his breakthrough. Nice to see Tahani’s person responded better and that she herself learned something.

Ack! I missed what happened with the entitled bro guy. Can anyone recap?

I found it a necessary episode re moving the plot along, but rather grim. I think that what’s his name is a lost cause.

Sooo, missed this episode first time around and just saw the repeat. Could those who are needle phobic explain to me what the deal is? Not about phobias (because I have my own in another area), but it seems to me, that if needles are your trigger, that you just don't look? I just look in the opposite direction when my blood is getting drawn or I am donating. Or, for that matter, when I'm just getting a flu or allergy shot. Just Don't Look! But obviously, I am missing something somewhere. Flabbergasted at the parent's reaction to their darling daughter (gasp) moving out of town for a year. Got very tired of Brandon's whining, but kudos to him for losing that massive amount of weight all in one year.

I was surprised so many of the bakers had never even heard of beignets, but I guess that I am in no place to judge, as I've never heard of a sabayon. (However, I have heard of zabaglione--thanks to the poster who pointed out that they are terms for the same thing.)

It looks intriguing but I'm not sure how far they can carry the premise. I loves me some Michael Sheen, but he seems to be wildly overacting in the previews. From the brief glimpse in the trailer, I like the lead (the son). Lou Diamond Philips is always a plus. And yeah, why is it in the Genre category?

I consider myself to be an old fogie, music-wise (I'm 59) but I've certainly heard of Oasis and recognized Ed Sheeran and the humor around his ringtone. Heard of Coldplay, but not Fix You. I think that people always have a greater fondness for the music of their youth. I find much of today's music sterile and boring. Hip hop isn't my thing, though there are a few songs that I do like. I'm sure that there are some really great bands out there that I have never heard of, but I don't know how to find them and seldom have the energy to look. The few newer bands that I like, I've found on YouTube, mostly. I am sad because I have turned into a "get off of my yard" person. There are huge artists out there that are proclaimed geniuses and I Just Don't Get It. But I am outnumbered, so obviously, it is just me. I do wish that the movie had truly explored the implications of a world without the Beatles. Obviously, there's no Oasis, but I somehow doubt that there would be a Coldplay, either. They changed the entire recording industry, if inadvertently. I mean, the Beatles were the whole reason that most of the younger musicians in the 1960s and 1970s even got the idea to be in a band to begin with (judging from too many musician interviews to count.) So I think that there could have been a little more thought put into that part of it. Loved Himesh Patel. Hope to see him in more things.

My main annoyance re Holden is that he is so rigid and rarely seems to learn anything about his own behavior. He's in a job that requires "thinking outside the box", but rarely seems to be able to do so outside of his interviews with serial killers and not always even then. Tench usually doesn't think outside the box, either, but he isn't being portrayed as someone who is supremely intuitive. Of the two, I'd far rather work with him.

I didn't view it as a gaze indicating loneliness and longing for connection. I viewed it as a creepy, obsessive, "here's the next victim in my overactive violent fantasy life" gaze. Of course we know what the profilers on the show don't yet know--that many serial killers start out with obsessive fantasies of killing at a very young age. Of course, his face is so blank most of the time that it is easy to project loneliness or obsession equally. At any rate, Brian is still very young and could possibly be turned around (or at least not grow up to be violent) if he could get intensive therapy. Something which is fairly unlikely with his mother in denial.

I’m sorry, I guess that i came off as implying that Manson never talked about Helter Skelter, but that isn’t what i really meant. I don’t think that Bugliosi made it up. I just meant that it wasn’t necessarily the only motive or the main motive. Yes, we are all sick of hearing about Manson, but there’s a reason why he’s the subject of so many specials (and was on the show). The crimes were not only bloody, but bizarre, not to mention seemingly random. The trial was the longest in California history up to that point. His victims were rich and famous (or connected to the famous). And every few years or so, one of the imprisoned women comes up for parole. As other posters have mentioned, Im glad that he wasn’t portrayed as a mystical character, but the manipulative punk that he was. The actor seemed a little off to me at the start of the scene but I really got into his performance by the end. Thought it was funny that they referred to the stopped watch situation in Bugliosi’s book. His voice didn’t sound right. I finally realized that I was expecting it to sound like Steve Railsback who was in the original Helter Skelter TV movie! Scared the crap out of me as a kid...

Some family members said that they never heard Charlie talk about Helter Skelter. Bugliosi was desperate to nail Manson, but he had to come up with a motive that he could present to the jury. There were several things going on with Manson and the Family at that time. His grip on his followers was starting to falter (both Tex and one of the murdering girls, Krenwinkle? had left the group fairly close to the murders--he lured them back). His musical career, despite association with several well known musicians, wasn't taking off, and there was the desire to take the heat off of Bobby Beausoleil for the murder of Gary Hinman. He was also deathly afraid of the Black Panthers. I'm not sure even Manson himself could come up with a definitive reason why he told his followers to commit the killings, but I suspect that it was just a way to exert control and to tie them to him even closer.

I was just annoyed by Wendy. They should have been getting their son therapy all along, and definitely after the death of the little boy. She resented all of the steps that social services were taking, when in reality, she should have been cooperating as much as possible. She's in such denial. Moving away for a fresh start won't help Brian but it will help her, at least, get out from under the gaze of the community. I'd like to think that she'd get him therapy wherever they moved, but somehow doubt it. The scene (can't remember the episode), where he fixated on the little girl in the playground was exceptionally chilling.

Yes, bedwetting is taken into consideration if it is combined with starting fires and/or cruelty to animals. Bedwetting by itself isn't a symptom of future criminal misbehavior.

Hats off to everyone in season 1 who claimed that Tench’s kid was a little serial killer in the making.

@ Ford was totally unprofessional in his meetings with the two southern serial killers. Not as interesting as a clever killer like Kemper, so he just shut down and went through the motions.

Another good episode. The discussion with the survivor of BTK was very sad. I’ve read about that attack — I’m hoping that the real brother wasn’t as damaged. Absolutely loved the scene with Berkowitz. All the actors that they get for these serial killer in prison interview scenes go to town with their characters. Always a highlight.

Well, that episode ending was quite the kick in the pants. Holden deserved it though—he is continuously oblivious to any repercussions from his actions and never has picked up the ability to read a room or know when to keep his mouth shut. The opening scene was good too- I’d seen it in the trailer but couldn’t figure out was going on. I’d heard that BTK’s wife walked in on him cross dressing, but did she also see the self strangulation, or was that just on the show? Just finished my binge watch of the entire season and can’t remember what happened in each episode. Hoping that the season 2 discussion thread will reopen.

Well, I loved this film. I blow hot and cold on Tarantino, but I did love this. Yes, it was meandering and some scenes could have been made shorter. I was a kid in the 60s (and watched Mannix!) and have read a lot about the Manson murders, so it was a bit like a trip down memory lane in parts. Agree to all of this. One added bonus for me was that I was weak, and shortly after it showed at Cannes, I looked up a spoiler for the ending. AND THE SPOILER WAS WRONG! (Spoiler said that the murders would happen and that Rick and Cliff would go and wipe out the Manson family in vengeance, in a way much similar to Rick's violent movies.) So when they decided to hit Rick's place instead, I was quite pleased and couldn't wait to see what happened. Since this is a fable, my reading of the last scene is that now that Rick has been introduced to his neighbors, he may end up in one of Polanski's films and end up being a character actor in that wave of quirky independent movies of the 1970s. And he can still employ Cliff!

Yes. I went in expecting a comedy and I left the theater feeling quite depressed. Don't remember the specifics of the film, but I do remember that.

The book was great, though it really dragged in the middle section. So many locations--uptown and downtown Manhattan, Vegas, Amsterdam...Trailer looks good.

Can't wait. Loved the first one.

Much as it would be satisfying for Sharon & friends (and Brad and Leo) to kick the Manson family's butt, I doubt that is the way the film will go. From the reviews, it sounds like it isn't an alternate history (though they all try very hard to avoid spoilers, so who knows). Manson is supposedly only in the film for about 30 seconds. The reviews are very good and most say that it is a sort of love letter to the Hollywood of that time period. Praise for both Pitt and DiCaprio. Tarantino has apparently met with Sharon Tate's sister several times to assure her that it won't be too exploitative. Apparently, the studio wanted the film to open on the anniversary of the Tate murders, but thankfully, that has been changed. I've been hit and miss on his films. Skipped Inglorious Bastards but broke down and saw Hateful Eight. Definitely want to see this one.

Saw it Saturday. I think that it is a very inventive film and takes more risks than Bohemian Rhapsody (to which it is invariably going to be compared). That said, I don't see it being the blockbuster that BR became. Acting was great and enjoyed all the EJ numbers. Not knowing anything re Elton John, I have no idea re accuracy. (With biopics that is often a good thing!) And the outfits! OMG the outfits! When it was done, I thought to myself, well this was enjoyable, but I don't really need to see again. But I've been thinking about it all weekend, and already have the urge to watch a second time.

Sigh. I never watched this show, then recently bingewatched the first three seasons on Netflix and fell in love with it. By the time that I was done, the 4th season was pretty much over, except for the final episode. "What the hell", I thought. "So what if I just see the season ending, I'll catch up with the rest of it over the summer." Well that went well... Quentin is the heart of the show to me. I haven't always liked his character, but to me, he's the person who held it all together. As much as I like the other characters (especially Eliot and Margot), I think that I'm stopping here. Agree that the writers are tone deaf and that their explanation (his arc was done, we couldn't think up more stories for him (really?), bad things happen to good people) or whatever, is totally bogus. They went for shock value and then patted themselves on the back for being clever. I suspect that I'm not the only person who will drop this show now and the ratings will drop. I'm not saying that a show can't kill off a popular character, but there has to be a lot of thought put into that and I truly don't think they went beyond "cool, let's kill off Quentin"--it will be shocking and awesome and aren't we clever".