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Seems more like series finales than season finale. How are they going to do a fifth season after that?

I think that there are a number of things going on with Barbara. She's in a part of the country where social services are lacking and she is isolated from friends and neighbors (or seems to be). If you never go out, it is easier not to notice that your home is slowly turning into a shithole. She's depressed--she has to care for two mentally ill family members. I'll bet you money that Jeanne tells her mom that it is all her fault because she left her with Evil Grandma and allowed her to be molested and that's the reason why her daughter weighs as much as a minibus. However, Barbara feeds that ravenous maw all day instead of telling her daughter that once she gets to the point that she can't wipe herself, it's diet time. Her diet is horrible, but Jeanne would be mobile if she wasn't scarfing down a million calories a day, even on crap food. I never understand why family enablers give in to the whining to the point that they end up being an servant to a person who has deliberately disabled themselves. They cause much of their own misery. In Barbara's case, I think that she is just beaten down. I may have missed it, but was it ever mentioned why Jeanne's face was so incredibly blotchy? CrazyinAlabama we posted at the same time with the same message! Jeanne is indeed, a monster, though not for the reasons that she thinks.

OK, changed my mind re Christian—he deserves an award for putting up with that big baby. Run, Christian, run!

Anyone else think that Christian is a chubby chaser who will book it as soon as she loses 20 pounds? Not that anyone could blame him....

God, what a drama llama!

I get my brutal reality check in the changing room when trying on clothes. ☹️ I don't understand why she isn't using a walking stick. As a clumsy, overweight person myself, I find a walking stick when climbing rocks or hillsides a real life saver/necessity.

I was glad to read that Bobby and David are much closer now (post documentary). They weren't estranged, exactly, but rarely saw or talked to each other.

Anyone else get sympathy pains when they put that expander inside of her? Yikes.

Psoriasis can't be caught by touching someone's skin. It is an autoimmune disorder. I felt awful for the poor guy. He must have been so uncomfortable. Here's hoping that the drug he's taking doesn't cost the moon.

U.S. viewer here. Never heard of Sandi or Noel before this season dropped on Netflix. I really enjoy Noel, and I look forward to his outfits every episode. He's pretty good at joking around with the bakers. I also enjoy their extremely silly skits. Took a lot longer to warm up to Sandi, but I like her now. I still miss Mary Berry, as the new judge seems a bit (cold? brusque? not quite either of those things). And who becomes a judge on a baking show if they aren't fond of sugar? I think that she has relaxed considerably since the earlier episodes, though.

I expected the gun to end up with Young Manning. He would be a perfect person on which to blame the crime. Just throw it in the front seat of his busted up car....

Also one of the most depressing things I've ever read. Which doesn't, of course, take away from it's greatness.

Thanks for the suggestion, Cheezwiz, I did just that. Now that I can see what is going on, I think that I'll stick with it a few more episodes. This was definitely a "set-up" episode, but with this many characters, they pretty much had to do it that way. I wonder if there is going to be any explanation of why the ghosts seem so malevolent--or is it only the ghosts of those who commit suicide? Definitely got a Mrs. Danvers (from Rebecca) vibe from the housekeeper in the flashback. The only confusion that I had was getting Theo and Shirl mixed up (as adults). I'm sure that I'll be able to differentiate them as the series goes on. So mom commits suicide and Dad's reaction is to frantically get them all in the car and out of the house? And this is suspicious as hell and it gets splashed all over the tabloids? No wonder they are all messed up. Feeling sorry for little Nell, who is seeing creepy ghosts and no one believes her.

I gave up after the first ten minutes as my screen was so dark that I couldn't see much of what was happening. Do they ever turn the lights on? Are there any scenes in daylight?

I think that there was some frostiness during the rest of the war, but Metcalfe eventually let him back into his life. He'd spent 15-20 years at the Prince's beck and call, and it is hard to give up such an all consuming relationship. (I guess---getting abandoned in a foreign country during an invasion would be a dealbreaker for me). In the 1920s and 1930s he was in charge of the Prince's stables for a while, until King George V ordered his heir to give up foxhunting (too dangerous). Anyway, back to the episode--considering everything, Edward had a lot of gall to snark at Metcalfe's digs--I suspect that there really weren't that many people in England who were willing to put up with him at all. That said, I utterly adore the bitchiness that he displays in his letters.

It's amazing to me that "Fruity" Metcalfe was even still speaking to Uncle Nazi, much less putting him up during his stay in England. Fruity gave up his career (or career path) in the military when Edward was still Prince of Wales in order to be his on call pal and friend. Edward promised him a position in the government/palace when he became King, but never followed through. After the abdication, he went with Edward and Wallis to France. When WWII started the British government demanded that the Windsors leave France and get to a safer area. They stalled and acted as if there was no urgency at all, despite the fact that millions of people were hitting the road to escape. So, Fruity gets up one morning and goes to greet Edward & Wallis at breakfast and discovers that they are gone. As is the only automobile. And all the fuel. And possibly, even the bicycle, though I'm not sure on that last part. They abandoned him without telling him that they were leaving. I guess that they figured that he wouldn't fit in the car along with Wallis' 20 pieces of luggage. He had to find his own way back to England. That's Edward and Wallis in a nutshell. Unbelievably selfish people.

The book is very choppy in places, since she never was able to finish it. Her husband (and others) did their best. I've read a lot (and listened to some great podcasts) about the case, but she still managed to cover some new ground. I appreciated the fact that she covered the affect on the male victims, who had to listen, helplessly, as their wives were assaulted. I have no doubt that the case greatly affected her and led to the drug use. That said, anyone who takes fentanyl is playing with fire. The police so far have done a great job of not letting out any information at all. A little bit came out after his arrest, but after that, nothing. I'd like to know what he was doing while committing all those murders in southern California. What was his job? Where did he live? Why did he breakup with his fiance, Bonnie? Why did he and his wife separate? Did he have help committing the crimes? Was his brother involved? What was the real estate connection? I'm sure that all of this will come out eventually... Can I assume that the show/series will cover events after the book, such as the DNA search and his ultimate capture?

Thanks for the links and info, ElectricBoogaloo.

Just saw this today. I found it very moving and sad. I’ve read a lot about physician/psychiatric experiments, and until fairly recently patient consent wasn’t even viewed as an ethical concern. There is a reason why the standards are so high now. The fact that the Dr. was a holocaust survivor and was conducting a twin experiment brought up uncomfortable comparisons. At any rate, every time the film started getting a little repetitive, another holy shit revelation came out. It didn’t answer my main question, which is what is the current relationship between the two surviving brother? Are they distant? No contact? Still in each other’s lives? Also liked the contrasting “Genetics is fate!” And “Nurture is important—you are the master of your own life” points of view.

I was thinking that too, until I really thought about how heavy a chair with an adult would weigh.

I didn't have any problem with the British accent (love them)--it was the inconsistency that bugged.

Agree with many of the postings here. The death of the dinosaur on the docks was heartbreaking (and the only really emotional part of the movie for me), no idea what is going to happen to Maisie, as the courts are (no doubt) going to swoop in and appoint her a guardian that is not Claire or Owen, and what the hell happened to the governess? My favorite dinosaur was the little guy that broke through the wall and proceeded to toss most of the folks at the auction hither and yon. I was disappointed that they didn't show him escaping. I want the Lockwood mansion. Did anyone else think of the real Hawaii eruption that is going on now when watching the volcano scenes? The door was stuck, that's why she couldn't shut it right away. She was frantically pulling on it. I was totally confused by the girl's accent, which wandered between British and American. The governess at one point corrected her pronunciation of "bath". Why? She isn't living in England. If she goes back and forth between the UK and the States I could see it, but there wasn't any reference to that. I do realize that getting bugged by something like that in a movie where nothing is true to life is a bit ridiculous. I knew that Maisie was going to set the dinos loose halfway through the scene. Only plot surprise for me was the fact that Lockwood didn't realize what was going on (in his own house!) I was sure that he was going to be the head evil profiteer. The larger dinosaurs, even the pterodactyls could be easily taken out, though I think that the herbivores, at least, might be snapped up by zoos. The one in the ocean, though might be more tricky. Its the little chicken sized ones that are probably the most dangerous. Much harder to find in the wild and there were enough of them to have a breeding population. However, most of the herbivores are probably going to die since the plants that are around now aren't the same as during the Jurassic period. I put it in the category of "ok for a popcorn movie" but then, I didn't go in with major expectations.

I agree. I won't say that they weren't a particularly great family, but they apparently were rather the norm when it came to climbing the social ladder. The Boleyns, Seymours and Howards were all willing to whore out their womenfolk to gain favor with the king. All of the nobles in the show, despite their arrogance, know that their titles and lives can be swept away by an angry king or choosing the wrong side in a Civil War. Cromwell's position was more tenuous, as commoners always are more vulnerable, but that doesn't mean that the nobles were on secure footing. Henry tended to focus on what he wanted and then, after the fact, blame others for his decisions. Including

Just finished Bring up the Bodies and I feel that the Cromwell at the end of this book is different than the Cromwell at the end of Wolf Hall. I found the section towards the end where he realizes that Wolsey's handwriting no longer has an effect on him and his sudden doubts about his dead wife's faithfulness and youngest daughter's paternity to very sad. Not only has time moved on, but I assume that this was Mantel's way of showing how the stress of his ambitions and ruthlessness have made him just a bit colder. The machinations required to bring about the downfall of the Boleyns was quite fascinating, as things changed from day to day. I had no idea of the quickness of Anne's fall. From start to finish was it just a month? I do think that it is quite the coincidence that the Cardinal's mockers just happened to be the ones condemned to death. Yes, I know that he, Cromwell, saw to that, as a matter of vengeance, but it is a bit much that every single one of them were in a such a compromising position that he could pull that off.

It certainly looks like suicide, but what a crappy thing to do to your family. Did he think that being murdered would be easier on them than a suicide? Did they ever look for his bicycle? Presumably, it would be near his body. I'm assuming that the other factors that the sheriff mentioned, but did not describe could have been something to do with health? Perhaps he had a terminal illness that he couldn't face? Could he have staged the crime scene because he felt everyone looked up to him and would think less of him if he committed suicide? (Note, I'm saying he may have felt that way, not that I do.)