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That sounds plausible. I like that idea! ------------------- Regarding Sansa's role, I'm leaning toward Lady S. theory that Sansa will have a role like Cat had.

That made me laugh! :D

That would be great for the actress, poor thing. A whole season playing a catatonic state can't be easy. I imagine all the takes she has to do without moving a muscle and I think that it must be very difficult. It's also such a 180 turn from her probably most known role as Donna in The West Wing, that I sometimes forget it's the same actress.

Me too!!!

I'm not fond of the theory that we need to repeat the story of Nisa-Nisa to temper Jon's sword, but, maybe, just maybe that's Mel's final role. As the most devout follower of the Lord of Light, her body will be the ultimate sacrifice she can make to her God to atone for her mistakes and to help Azor Ahai forge his weapon. Jon stabbing her with Longclaw and pulling Lightbringer out of her body would be satisfying, and true to the lore that Lightbringer will be pulled from the "fire".

I don't think Ichabod is flirting. What does that even look like for a person like him? I'd agree he's flattered and that Zoe hasn't demonstrated her obsession in a physical way yet (like Andy did), but there's a reason Abbie pointed out the huge number of text messages twice in the episode. And that most of them had nothing to do with the citizenship issue. I think Ichabod doesn't really see how wrong all those messages are because they are lighthearted so far. I don't think he quite understands our modern stalkers yet. Specially because the messages are not romantic in nature (as in she's not professing her undying love for him in any of them). He's responding to some of them, not all, and I think he's doing it believing it's a sort of friendship and nothing more. He's not asking her out for coffee or a movie, and if he's gallant to her, it's because he's from colonial times and thinks that's the way he should act. I think he believes she only wanted to help him with his legal issue and that they are becoming friends. When Joe told him that it was good that he was "moving on" (from Katrina), Ichabod didn't quite understand what he meant at first, and then denied it. He has no reason to lie to Joe, as he's not, that we know off, some philandering type trying to collect women. And so, he wouldn't be afraid of admitting he was pursuing a relationship with one because another one could find out. He also keeps telling Abbie that the whole thing is just about citizenship and I think that's because it's what he believes. I have a feeling we're headed toward boiling rabbit territory with this one, and Ichabod will be more surprised than everyone else. Also (although that may be a question for the episode thread), why is it ok for Abbie to claim "boundaries" when Ichabod asks about her boss but not for Ichabod to claim "boundaries" when Abbie goes through his phone? I mean, I didn't mind it that much, but that seemed strange to me.

I do agree that minorities in general are not adequately represented on TV and movies. And I understand that for a long time black women have been tropes. That said, I don't think the solution is to push for Abbie to be a certain way for the sole purpose of a trope being subverted. I think that the solution is first to change our society, second to cast black women in all kinds of roles and third to not expect television to be our moral beacon or lead the charge in social change. As for all the black women before Olivia Pope, I disagree that all of them were stereotypes. Off the top of my head I recall very well drawn black females in The L Word, there was The Cosby Show, The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, A Different World, Living Single... They had all kinds of black women. And I understand that most of these shows were made "for black people", but I watched them and enjoyed them all. And just like every other TV show out there, they had their ups and downs. Also, before Olivia Pope, there was Vanessa Williams in Ugly Betty and Desperate Housewives, Angela Bassett in ER, Cicely Tyson in Roots... I agree there were very few worthy roles for black women on TV, but to say that none before Olivia Pope were so is an exaggeration IMO. Julia, on 26 Oct 2015 - 12:16 AM, said: LOL! Touché! Point taken. I think that's a very valid point. They should have Abbie address her choices on screen.

I'll agree to disagree on the role of TV as our moral beacon. You won't change my mind, and I suspect I won't change yours. I'll just say this: TV shows are a product, if the product is bad, but it sells, the problem is the morals of the buyer, and unless that changes first, the product won't change. Why do we get so many "sexy" women on TV with revealing wardrobe? Because it sells. If TV stopped doing that, it wouldn't change anything, as the people who want to see scantily clad women would get their fix somewhere else. As to Abbie, I don't think the show (not Twitter, but the show, the episodes, the actual canon) is saying Abbie doesn't need romance. She clearly does from time to time, as she has had boyfriends and relationships that we know about. The show has also had characters interested in her romantically, so, it's also not saying that she's unattractive. I again don't see the problem. I don't care if she's black, blue, orange or white, the character of Abbie Mills not actively looking for romance, given everything else she has to do, and the incredibly important job she has of saving the whole wide world, makes sense to me. I can see a person (any person) under those circumstances making exactly those choices. The same goes for Ichabod, Jenny and baby Corbin. The job they have should be the most important thing in their lives right now, particularly with Pandora loose in Sleepy Hollow. If they had any other job, then I'd say go for it, have lives, my children, look for a partner and be happy! But they don't have any ordinary job, so, no, it wouldn't feel right to me. As a Latina who has lived in the US and whose race is also the target of many a stereotype and trope, I can sympathize with the need to have better representation on TV, but I think only if the role warrants it. If it doesn't then it feels like lip service and fake, done only to appease people and not because the role was well-written.

I don't have a problem with how Abbie's love life is represented on the show, and I wouldn't say it's sexless. She had a boyfriend that she dumped in season 1, Andy fell in love with her, and Hawley had the hots for her at some point (which ewww!, but that's for another thread). She also had a long relationship with a fellow recruit at the FBI academy, but he's now her boss, and it seems there's still some attraction there, which makes their interactions a little uncomfortable for the characters, but I think that is realistic.. She's not actively looking for anyone right now, that we know off, but neither is Ichabod or Jenny, for that matter. This season we haven't seen any of our core protagonists purposely go out and look for love in the present time (yeah, I know Ichabod kind of has a stalker, but that's on her, he's certainly not looking for romance), and I think that's fine, given that they are a bit preoccupied with saving the world. I don't need to see any of these characters, including Abbie, trying to find a date or pick someone up at a bar. That would be a distraction to the main story. Now if something blossomed between Ichabod and Abbie because of their partnership and because they spend so much time together, that would feel organic to me, but any of them searching for someone.... no, that wouldn't feel right. And it's not because they have a job, it's because they have a very particular job. I also don't think that TV shows have any duty to present role models to the masses. That job belongs elsewhere.

They don't have to add anyone. The Project Runway show at Fashion Week always has 6 or more designers (I think one year they had 9). They do this because FW happens while they are still airing the show and if they only showed the finalists' collections we would all know, ahead of time who made it. So, they have the last 6 or so designers do a collection for FW. If you look it up online, you'll be able to see the collections of every one from PR that showed at Fashion week. On the show, they just show us the collections of the finalists, the ones who still have a shot at winning all the prizes. Also, the first time Tim used the save it wasn't even called the TG safe. He used it on Michelle, who went on to win the whole thing. IIRC Michelle had been booted and the other finalists were sent abroad for inspiration for their FW collections. According to the story weaved for the show, Tim went to the judges after they offed Michelle and told them he thought they'd made a mistake. So, they gave Michelle the opportunity to design a collection, but they didn't send her abroad with the others. If the judges deemed her collection good enough, she'd get to be back in the game for the grand prize. After that, they formally instituted the Tim Gunn save for subsequent seasons because they supposedly saw the value of Tim's wisdom, since they had offed the designer that actually had a winning collection (as an aside, say what you will about Michelle, and her personality on camera is not what I would call stellar, but that was one heck of a collection she sent down the runway that season).

I read both articles and I have to say that doesn't sound bad to me, at all. I was skeptical of the crossover, but this thing might actually work.

From the article: "We also have this great image of Emilia Clarke, Lena Headey and Natalie Dormer in costume, sadly not an upcoming Three-Queens-Hang-Out-Together Season Six plot-twist, but an Alacazaba photo shoot shared by Juego de Tronos on Twitter" Sadly, a photoshoot for a magazine doesn't mean a show plot point. There has been no evidence so far of the three actresses filming together. Dany seems to be still stuck in Essos, swinging the Dothraki to her side by showing them Drogon's power. That said, I do think that the three Queens refers to these three and they will eventually meet. I have never been a believer in any of the Queen Sansa theories.

Maybe when Jon comes back, he will do so with the benefit of having seen a lot of things that went on while he was "dead", including Shireen's death. (she said, hoping against hope, perhaps)

No Brody this episode. But perhaps you're not insane, maybe it was a technical glitch, or a rerun?

Well, that would be great. Hopefully it happens. He caught up with next season, but can he keep ahead of HBO?

He needed a reason for the mother to call her ex immediately. It's obvious the ex told her he'd be away for a few days and gave her a burner number to call in case of emergencies only. Quinn would figure out that if he's with Carrie, she's calling the shot when it comes to their security, and that she would set up a "safe" communications method between father and son. Quinn could have waited to see if they called, but that would entail hours upon hours of listening to her bugged phone. He just picked a shorter route.

I don't think the problem is the meeting, it's the payment that causes an issue. Any money going to Hezbollah is going to be used against the US, and that's a big no-no. You're not supposed to give them any money, no matter how altruistic your cause. It sort of defeats the purpose of the donation, doesn't it? "I want to give 10 billion dollars to the refugee cause, and I just gave 40,000 to one of the organizations destabilizing the region so I can make this speech". I understand that the amounts greatly differ, but, on moral grounds it's just wrong.

I would say it is a soft reboot

Well, I think you have to judge for yourself. It's different and yet feels the same in some ways. It's been a while since we've discussed the show, so I've forgotten some of our discussions, but I think some of the things you didn't like from last season are gone or treated differently this season. Also, IIRC, last year the media reviews were split, but the positive ones were winning, and you didn't like a lot of things on the show, so your view was diametrically opposed to the media consensus. Maybe the media thread is not a good indicator to make your decision. I think you should give it a try. I'm liking it, but then again, I liked last season and you didn't, so maybe my word is not the best guideline for you :D In other news, I was wondering where you were since you said you'd give the new season a try and I didn't see you in the discussion threads. It'd be interesting to read your thoughts, if you feel so inclined.

Well, as Cardie pointed out, Nora's house presented a statistical anomaly because three people separated only by a very short distance disappeared. It is heavily implied that the other people who disappeared were not as close to each other as Nora's family were. So, from a scientific point of view, her house is worth looking into, specially the area around her kitchen table. So, they were there to investigate that, positing that geography might have been a factor. I don't think it would be the only factor, given Laurie's baby, but then again, the MIT guys didn't say that either. We may never know the reason for the disappearances (and that's ok by me), but I think it's logical for the show to have people (be them from MIT or somewhere else) trying to figure out the mystery. It's what we humans do. It is why we study space, and do scientific research. Some theories become laws (gravity), others are never declared laws but the preponderance of evidence suggest they are true (evolution), some theories are proven false (the Earth is flat). That's how scientific research works.

My take on the ·"I'm glad I found you again" line is that it relates to the tablet that Crane found in his grave. It depicts the witnesses in Crane's time, with swords, IIRC. I'm going to guess that we will see how these two witnesses have been fighting the Apocalypse since pretty much the beginning of time and how they are reborn every time they are needed. Destined to fight this fight all the time. We will see similar depictions of the Witnesses throughout history. I'm also going to guess that the stone storyline that Jenny and Joe are dealing with will tie into the Witnesses story. It was used by the Witnesses in ancient Egypt and it's now come back to them. Favorite parts of the episode for me were Jenny telling Abbie and Daniel to have a good day "agenting", Abbie saying "here comes Jefferson", and the fist pump. I think there's too much episodic MotW right now and not enough overarching arc. Hopefully they'll fix that soon.

Awesome! I love the Blackfish. Also I wonder if his story will involve spoilers from WoW or if we'll see the rest of his story after the RW on the show now.

Minor issue?? It's a big deal!! :D We should start a Twitter wave: #WhereIsSwatch @ProjectRunway. Let's get going, people!

While I'm not a fan of the theory of Tyrion as a secret Targ, it would be awesome to see Cersei's face if she were ever to see Tyrion riding a dragon. I think this is likely to happen in the show too, even if they decide to skip the Tyrion as a Targ story, as there really are no other characters on the show that have the weight of story to be a dragon rider (while in the books, many could fit that bill). IIRC, the show had the first Daario being liked by Dany's dragons, didn't it? So, they really don't need the whole Targ blood thing to make someone a dragon rider. Or maybe Daario gets to ride a dragon until he meets his end and Viseryon flies to his rightful owner, Jon.

I think Dany will end up being the Khal of Khals and she'll get the Khalasar promised to her brother upon her marriage to Drogo. Then she'll march to Mereen, where she'll end the war and be ready to depart to Westeros by the end of the season. I'm willing to bet one of the final scenes of this season will be Dany flying Drogon while ships loaded with her army, under Tyrion's command, are sailing toward Westeros right below her.