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No kidding and just cliche. I mean, everyone on this show has a parent that just did crappy things. Wheather they were self hating because they secretly hated themselves, felt they had "protect" their child, died a horrible death, not have them be their mini me puppet or our favorite "I have to work at my restaurant even if a tornado is about to destroy it, can't stop working because of you know... reasons!"

Deluca's situation has been a mess for a long time. First of all, he should have been out of residence about two years ago. Second, his entire bi-polar situation was played as a guy having a mental breakdown than someone who switches from emotion to full blown hysterics. Kamila can yell at Meredith all she wants about saying: "This is how people get in these situations, so why do you care now?" I wanted to go: "When did you care?" She knew the situation, she didn't go to Baily, Richard or anyone that he was showing the signs, he was having problems. Even the entire human trafficing situation was complete fucked up by everyone. Getting just a little sanity that he was right and the situation was actually handled thanks to COVID happening. The problem is, everyone treated it as: "Oh that Deluca, just making up stories." He was having issues, he was breaking down and no one, ABSOLUTELY NO ONE marched him down to a neurologist, shrink or professional to get him help. Oh no, he solves Richard's situation and magically everyone realizes he has major issues that needs help they can't give him. I call foul! Dear old sister, was too busy sleeping with Bishop over on Station 19 and having her see she was abused by her father mentally. That took up more priority than her own flesh and blood sibling.

Right and that would actually be an interesting avenue to take the characters. Basically how not only was her grandma the true "parent" and then her taking care of her all the time while her parents could give a flying fig on her mental and living health being thrown on a teen and young adult. Then the grandma dying and her parents are: "Well, back to the food establish that we have to keep open even if there is a forest fire outside. Great life mom, but FU, we have to serve people." Vic has never really gotten to a sense of feeling independant or to the point she feels she can be "left alone" because it honestly scares her.

Yes and Ben made the comment on Station 19, about he has two kids around the same age. Which was actually extremely nice that he sees Tuck and Joey as his boys.

Yeah that was it and then having it where years later, you had lines like: "I want my life back." or "How did my life get this out of control?" Well, have people write your characters like they are 12 years old going: "Then we have this real pretty girl, but her life sucks, and she doesn't want to be happy, but secretly she does... oh um... then a gang member who is 11 is going to steal her right outside the hospital and no one is going to notice or care... and umm... yeah and make a fire in the middle of the south side of Chicago... because no police like... ever visit there... holy shit his is brilliant writing i be doing..."

Yeah, they seem to keep that out of just why is Vic so financially strapped she can't find a place? Even more, her line about her "non-seen parents" all of a sudden not only couldn't keep their restaurant open. You know the place, they HAD to keep working even on major holidays, the father's mom dying and oh no, had to work. Oh, you almost died in a fire? Sorry dear, it's Christmas, have to keep the place open. Now, they are stuck at home and apparently wish they were dead? Seriously, Station 19, what hell is with them they are so hell bent on working 24/7 and saying the hell with everyone?

Right and outside one more mention and that she "magically cured her depression" that was about it. Honestly, Darlene had no friends, then again, Becky's disappeared too after Mark showed up. DJ had friends through out, even the ones who did stupid things like dare him to steal a car or something.

Especially when they use an actor that wastes more time by being silly getting said item. I mean, I get it, it's extra money, but I see a difference between when they used live actors and instead just had the players just look for the right one.

That even made even less sense. At the time of the episode, I was a good decade and a half younger than these characters. As someone who was a kid in the 80s and teen in the 90s. Honestly, if people were having sex, they weren't telling anyone, but I will guartee even in my class and so forth. The youngest was 16-17 and they were basically doing it at a parent/friend house where no adult was. Yes, you had some, including some girl who was 14 when she got knocked up in 8th grade. However... there was no: church choir, secret meeting spot going on. Basically, parents weren't home and one thing lead to another. It was also how later when Sam showed up and explained how she got pregnant and that she was barely 14 and her ex was almost 20. Then Abby goes: "Didn't your parents say something?" Followed by: "Yeah, a lot, but he was the bad boy." I just wanted to go: "That is extremely illegal and then to think a few years before Sam came on the scene. Abby and Susan were just joking about giving the Maid a tip. Just made you go: "What, huh?" Even more as you said, if it would had been the ladies saying this, Luka, Carter and Gallant would have been grabbing torches and pitch forks. It just all screamed: "What the hell were you thinking?" Even more, why did the actors just go: "Oh, it's so silly, tee hee hee."

Another thing is, while Dan and Rosanne were working a lot during the series, the kids had other things to do such as: sports, scouts, clubs, ect. I get it's different times, but really to have DJ act so: "huh what?" Just doesn't make sense.

No kidding. I mean the fact they go: "I hope you gave her a good tip." No, it should have been: "Carter... you were basically raped!" It didn't come off funny at all and the fact that John didn't have more emotional problems growing up is astonding. I mean, the maid basically took advantage of a pre-teen barely into puberty. His brother dies at 15, his parents go into constant issues after wards. I mean, I get the writers were then trying to say as time went on that John was trapped in this endless cycle of people draining and using him for years. Instead it came off as: "John, run away, run far away." Oh no, then they had to have him: be attacked by a patient, watch his student die, have Maggie's draining/vampire life on him. Have him meet Kem (ugh) kill their son and then have him go through having no kidneys. I mean at what point do the writers just go: "Ok, this is too much."

With Cooper, it goes too far when he just doesn't grasp... things. I mean, he does check his phone and talks about YouTube and yet, he doesn't search "how to mop" on YouTube? The problem with Lonnie is simple. People like this exist, they basically fall up to success by doing stupid things, that people find funny. How Jackass got so popular back in the day (yet I never got it). The show is trying to be: "See, we are showing how these guys are in real life, isn't it funny?" No, it comes off as a big "huh?"

Right and also as the show progressed, they showed things kind of changing as the kids got older, but with a few staples like: godzilla toy, newspapers being either on the table or by the couch, ect. Other shows either stayed lost in time with it looking like it did from day 1 with needed props. Or shows like say: Full House, Who's the Boss, Boy Meets World, the place changed as the kids got older. So, what made sense when the kids or adults were younger, didn't make sense as they got older. Despite things of the character, when the girls on Full House got older, the house got more cleaner and organized.

I agree and then you add in casting changes, this either goes well or very bad. Well, having Cooper on the show and moving him to getting what it is like to be "regular" is a good step. However, they have to keep from it falling into: "I have special needs and being rich didn't help me." They NEED to dump Lonnie.

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The only thing that Devonte has served on the show was having Dre and Bow deal with marriage problems (once again based on the show's creator's own life) and giving Junior something to do that isn't him acting like he doesn't know the sky is blue.

Seems it was the real life parents that made the call. They didn't want him filming during COVID. Of course while I can't blame the writers because what option they had. HOWEVER... they threw in kid #5 because Kenya had a baby late in life, and how they thought this was going to lead to "golden stories" I have no idea. They either ignored Devante or only use him for a plot or when they have to give an excuse why Junior can only do something smart.

The last clue was also hard, I mean they had a lot of time on their hands for the $50K and then the $100K. I mean I would have done it if there was close to a minute. However, if I had the $50K and didn't have enough time. I just cash out. I did love the first couple when he jumped up and grabbed the Krave. It was like he was making the winning game shot in basketball.

It was an odd time, because it was born out of this movement that was very post 9/11. Where people were having sex, doing things because "what if tomorrow never comes". Things just went overboard in this movement and sadly entertainment bought into it. Looking back, people who were "fans" of this idea now go: "What was I thinking?"

I agree, I mean if American House Wife can "act like COVID doesn't exist" yet still have certain actors who need to appear on video chat to be on the show. Why can't they do the same with Gina and Bev? I get that the actress who plays Gina is on another show, but really, even when Modern Family had to do episodes where they were video chatting or face timing. They filmed in less than a couple of hours. They just set up the filming to be the actor and then just talked to them on speaker phone so it was done in "real time". Sometimes it's like the shows just don't think of things that make sense and are you know, cost effective.

Well, and when she was going on how she is 40 and has no business, and nothing else to do, especially with Taylor now in college and Oliver is pretty independant. You just want to go: "Then why sell your new business?" It was successful, people were jealous, hell even Oliver got in on it. Then apparently over the summer she just went: "Oh well, don't need it anymore." Then complains and goes on a rant about how she needs to "control things". To the point even Greg wants to smack her upside the head. The show can have Katie work and still be the "American Housewife". It's like they have to force her to be at home for some reason. While Cooper pointed out he wished his parents would have been like this, but he also points out, it's a bit too much even for Katie.

The characters have also fallen into: "What is wrong with you?" the audience keeps asking. We know people can be stubborn, or out of touch with reality vs what is staring them in the face. However, you can still understand their POV of WHY they act like this. However, at this point, I mean Darlene basically fell into: "This shouldn't happen to me, I went the school and tried to better myself." While Jackie is: "Nope, nope, la la la, I'm going to do all stupid things outside of doing drugs to stay happy, even though I have nothing else in my life." Dan with: "How did I get into these kind of problems with my house and why aren't my old strategies not working anymore?" My favorite with Harris: "Duh... why am I do everything that is either going to get me dead or living in a car?"

No kidding and many movies too. How many movies have had it where the mom might be in her forties or early 50s and still looking very attractive and healthy. Meanwhile, the husband is shown to either be: Super over weight, gray and looking like they don't give a damn.

There was a change of direction, I do know that and when Michael Criton withdrew as EP, that also changed the course of the series. The writers seemed to get obsessed with Maura T, trying to be "over the top" drama. Getting well known actors from movies, who really just wanted a paycheck and keep getting work as "special guest stars". Trying to grab more awards, ect. Basically, much like other TV shows that go on way, way past their prime, they got greedy and it was all about ratings or as it's called these days with shows like: Grey's, Bachelor, Survivor "hate watching".

How true, but sadly the show is making Darelene just look hateful and like she didn't see what her mother and her father went through for the family. They can retro out Jerry all they want, but let's face it, all three of the "main kids" really got dealt bad hands in life, and unlike their parents. Who tried to make it work, they were victims to it and don't look in the mirror that they can try to better themselves and don't. Same goes with both Jackie and Dan, I mean Jackie is setting herself up for a big fall, trying to keep the Lunchbox open, when really she shouldn't have reopened it. Her main point is: "It's the last thing I had that made me happy." Jackie is depressed, she feels she has no one, she has to suck and drain everyone to have any amount of feeling she is "needed". I've seen people like this and eventually reality is going to hit them. As for Harris, the writers have NO IDEA what to do with her. I mean, now an "emotional" affair with a married man online. I mean, Louise should have been: "What the hell is wrong with you?" "I get your parents screwed you up, your dad is never around, but seriously Harris what do you want?" "A life or just keep doing what makes you happy for 2 minutes and that's going to get you two places. Poor or dead." Mark, just shut up!