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I used to like this show - not liking it so much at the moment. Yeah, they seem to be making Voight a real bad cop but on the other hand you can also see why he does what he does. The reality is if Atwater would've plugged the bad guy as Voight wanted him to do, it would've saved him a degree of grief. Now he has to worry about his siblings safety (and probably his own as well). These neighborhood codes of silence are enforced and maintained through fear. People who give witness are murdered and it means nothing that the gang leaders are in jail - they still have their people on the outside who do their dirty work.

Good double episode - sucked me in pretty well! I think Ross suspects that baby Valentine is his - I think Demelza KNOWS it's his. This show is such a pretty soap opera, but the only thing missing is giving George a mustache to twirl.

Thanks cupcake for the fill-ins about this case. Agreed that it should've been a 2 hour episode instead of an hour. I have lots of questions about the case and the family. 7 children??? Nowadays, the only people having that many kids are Ultra Orthodox Jews and well-off LDS folks (okay, and the Duggars...) And then for the wife (who looks damn good for having so many kids - LOL) wants out of the marriage. I'd also like to know more about the boyfriend (a/k/a victim's "best friend") AND the deal with his wife. Maybe somebody will eventually write a book about this case as there is probably a lot of interesting details here. Just sad that Dateline finally has an interesting story and totally drops the ball.

I thought this episode was one of the better ones of this season - at least there was a murder to solve! And I was hoping that Sidney would take to the road a la Route 66 and wash up in another British Burg to solve a crime or fix a problem before moving on. Alas, it looks as if the season is going to end on more soap opera angst next week. Sigh, so much for wishful thinking...

Gee, this show is depressing as hell. If I wanted to watch a soap opera I'd be watching that much lauded show on NBC (This is us?) instead of this. All I can say at this point is that this is a bunch of characters who must be burning for the 1960s to happen so they can all run off and make themselves happy.

In reply to SusanSunflower, there was plenty of home dyed hair back in the 70s. I was in high school (a convent school, no less) and I had classmates (and at least one teacher) who dyed their hair. Clairol had their "Born Blonde" line from back in the late 60s at least, and it was in every drugstore that I was aware of. And there were lots of other home dye products as well. I thought the dark roots on Jane were indicative of her maybe starting to let her appearance slide at bit as she was so engrossed in her job. The dark eyebrows were harsh looking but then again, that was somewhat the style and most women weren't going to be bleaching their eyebrows to go with their hair (and again, there were products for that use at the time).

I love this show - always keeps me guessing. A few of you are thinking that the boys might be watching Trish's rape on the phone - what if what they're watching involves Daisy? We haven't been told exactly what trouble she had gotten into that made her father bring her to Broadchurch to live with him. And the insolent boys who came looking for her - what did want with her?

Not alot of chat on this thread yet! Okay, so we know Season 2 is going to be Picasso, but I'm going to throw out another "genius" whose life is tailor-made for a show like this: Oscar Wilde. I read a bio of him back in the late 80s, and then a bio of his wife a few years ago and the books made interesting reading. I'm currently reading a book about Oscar Wilde's family, including his parents and his brother, and if the show was made right, there would be plenty there to mine. Wilde's father was probably a genius himself - a renowned doctor and polymath who was also a womanizer and the focus of a scandal that almost ruined his reputation. Oscar's mother was a member of Ireland's Protestant Anglo/Irish gentry but was a radical who was a supporter of Irish Nationalism and rights for Catholics. She was also a published writer and poet and hosted a Salon attended by some of the most important intellectuals of the era. Oscar's wife, Constance, was a sheltered beauty with an inheritance, and became involved with clothing reform (i.e. more natural and comfortable ways for women to dress) and social activism and she stayed loyal to Oscar almost to the end. She was only around 40 years old when she died, probably from an infection after having surgery.

Finally got around to watching the last (double) episode. I have to give Geoffrey Rush credit - he really managed to bring out Einstein's humanity. I felt so sad when he died! All in all I enjoyed the show but felt the accents were too intense and the time jumps could be very jarring. I wonder if they did the time jumping because the show was about Einstein, or if they will be doing it in the next show as well.

Still enjoying this show but a bit taken aback by Jane jumping into bed with her boss. We know that she's sexually "liberated" by her mother finding her birth control pills but for being a smart, young, ambitious woman, she doesn't seem to realize that no matter how good she is on the job, her success is going to be chalked up to her sleeping with the boss! Again, not having seen the Helen Mirren show, I don't know if there was ever anything in there about the character having "slept her way up the ladder" but I remember there was something like that in the short-lived American remake. The New York version of Jane Tennison seemed to have a number or personal issues and there seemed to be a long-standing simmering resentment by some of the male detectives that she had gotten her position by having a long-ago affair with her boss.

There's an anti-vax thing going around on Facebook right now. An idiot friend of mine "shared" it with me and the rest of her FB friends. Her brother and sister are also anti-vaxxers. I also have a co-worker who sadly has a very autistic son and she blames his condition on vaccines. I've tried to talk to her about her stance but her mind is made up. The rise in autism rates is a frightening thing. It seems that very few families are untouched by this now. Part of it may be due to the increase in actually labeling autism as opposed to kids who were "different" being defined as "retarded" or mentally ill, or just weird or eccentric. Looking back on it, my ex-husband's younger sister was more than likely "on the spectrum". At least today, once a child is recognized as being autistic, they can start with early intervention programs and special schooling if needed and these kids can grow up to be productive members of society. Still, I've seen firsthand the toll that having an autistic child takes on a family and also the cost to the taxpayers. Rather than focusing on this nonsense with vaccines, it's time to move on and figure out what is REALLY going on (which I wouldn't doubt there is some environmental factor at play).

Picasso was a great artist but a shit as a person. His life could make for some very interesting tv drama, but I hope to God that they ditch the terrible accents and when they do young Picasso and old Picasso, they actually get actors who resemble each other!

I enjoyed watching this. I've never seen the show with Helen Mirren so I had no pre-conceived notions about Jane Tennison (although I did watch the American show that starred Maria Bello). I really like the actress who plays Jane (liked her in Emerald City as well). I wonder why it didn't get renewed? A question for fans of the original show: was the older Jane a smoker? Just asking because of when the young Jane was offered a cigarette she said that she didn't smoke. I figured that they put that in for a reason. And I agree that the clothing and hair was of the time (I was in 10th grade in 1973).

Well I finally got around to watching the 2 hour finale last night and have to say that the badass Mr.. Kaplan arc was one of the best things this show ever did. So, now, Mr. Kaplan is presumably dead and we're back to..... Red is (or maybe isn't!), Lizzy's father. Rolling my eyes here. So here we have FBI agent Elizabeth Keene who is supposed to be "all that" and you'd think from the get-go of Red coming into her life, she would've really wanted to know WHY. Most people would have done that DNA test with blood from the pen she stabbed him with, in what, the 2nd or 3rd episode? Not our Liz! Ah, but she got DNA from a glass, sent it off, and then couldn't bring herself to find out the truth - IS HE OR ISN'T HE??? So I guess no surprise that when Liz had the chance to hear the truth out of Mr. Kaplan's mouth, she got out of the truck. Way to go Liz! Now we've got her thinking Red is her Daddy from the blood off of a 30 year old shirt from an evidence box. Oh, clever TV show - no real proof the blood is from "our" Red (unlike, say, using the blood from the pen stabbing). And now a suitcase full of bones intended for Liz. But her beloved husband Tom has the bones, and want to bet that when he sees Liz so crazy about Daddy Red, those bones are gonna go missing.... Dem bones, dem bones... (my bet they are the REAL Red Reddington and Lizzy's bio Dad, but is that too easy?).

Well, I just spent about an hour and a half of a slow day at work reading this thread! I think that besides missing the enjoyment of watching "Feud", I'm going to miss all of the interesting reading in this forum. It's great to see that there are other people who still love (and watch) old movies and also love to discuss both the movies and the actors who were in them. When I try and talk about this stuff at work, people look at me like I have three heads - good to find like-minded souls here. If I may bring something up that bothers me is how in discussing Hollywood actors of the past , "truth" becomes such a slippery thing. Rumors, lies, distortions, become "the truth" and when the people being discussed are dead, they can't defend themselves. Whether or not Joan Crawford was the monster portrayed in "Mommie Dearest" (book and movie), the public perception of her is that she was this child abusing, control freak, obsessive about clean floors, harpy. This has been discussed in thousands of words in this forum alone and people believe what they believe. Who ever the REAL Joan Crawford was, this is the image what most people now believe. Somewhere up thread somebody mentioned Clara Bow - and the few people today who even know who she was believe the gangband story about her and the football team, and that she was a mess whose career was done in by a Brooklyn accent and a nefarious studio system. None of the above is true (in fact, her voice was also fine, she made at least one talkie, and she walked away from a very large studio contract because the microphones made her nervous and she wanted to quit show biz to raise a family). I find it a shame that there is so much false stuff written and then remembered about these famed people from the past. And anybody can make up any crap that they want, publish a book, and before you know it, the lies wind up in Wikipedia as "fact" (case in point, a vile piece of "fan fiction" about Jeanette McDonald and Nelson Eddy, which is back in print after 20 years. I'm not going to mention the title). That Bette Davis to Joan Crawford letter up thread was very obviously a fake (and I'd bet the rent was done after "Mommie Dearest" ) and yet I bet there were some people reading this forum who thought it was the real mccoy (insert smiley face here). Anyway, I think we need to take a lot of this stuff we read (and see on shows like this) with a large grain of salt and enjoy it as entertainment and not so much as fact. And all that being said, I wish that a bunch of us could just meet for drinks and dish about these old films and their stars for hours. Thanks so much everybody for the good read on this forum!

Okay, some quick thoughts... agreed with thinking they got a new writer for these episodes - we got an interesting story and it was actually fairly coherent (for the most part). I liked the Mr. Kaplan origin story although I have some quibbles. When Kate was Katarina's nanny, the clothing screamed 1970s, though if Lizzy is say, even early 30s, that should have placed things in the mid to late 80s. Kate's relationship with Annie would then have been in the early to mid-90s. Doesn't this show have anybody in costume design who has a clue to what fashions people were wearing during this time? Or do the writers not have a clue about what decade they are writing about? And Big Shock - Red thinks he is Masha/Lizzie's father. So they've established that dear ol' Dad was NOT Katarina's husband. Was it Red, or was Katarina sleeping around? Hmmm. I agree with the person above who feels that they're giving us back stories to tie up things at series end. The whole "Is Red Lizzie's Father" has been so stupid from the get go as they've had paternity tests since when, the 1960s? If anybody in this alternate universe had REALLY wanted to know who Lizzie's sperm donor was, (including Lizzie), it would have been pretty easy to find out whether it was Red or not. And I guess the foster father being a grifter was the explanation for Lizzie's card skills back in season 1. They still haven't explained the weird scar on her hand that matched the symbol on Tom's Box O' Fun under the floor in season I. Perhaps the writers have forgotten about his? And the Samar/Aram/Janet triangle .... really, is this Archie, Betty, and Veronica? I had liked Samar as originally written; this high school (middle school?) crap they are feeding us insults our intelligence. Samar could have gone off with her hunky ex-boyfriend but instead stayed because she had a thing for Aram, and then, instead of telling him, walks around with a snitty attitude, pouts, and acts like a bitch on wheels. Really, show? And this brings me to end with, what is the deal with so many TV dramas where same sex relationships almost always end with somebody being murdered? Major Crimes is a notable exception, but it seems to be par for the course.

Yeah, Raja, and you're right about a bio-terrorism attack and no CDC, no lock-down of the area, nothing remotely like what would happen "in the real world". I was saying all this to my companion while watching the episode. And lets not forget Sabastian trying to come up with the antidote to save Loretta. I said, "wow, that guy would be wasted in NCIS; he'd be whisked away to work with the CDC or the WHO if he's that much of a genius." Some years back I read a book about the SARS epidemic and the incredible co-ordinated work between Chinese, American, and international teams of scientists and doctors to halt the epidemic before it got completely out of control. It was a true to life thriller which the idiots who write shows like this NCIS-Nola should read. I like mindless entertainment as much as the next TV couch potato, but man, I f-ing HATE it when you insult my intelligence. An episode like this goes beyond insulting my intelligence.

Anybody else think that this show is going off the rails? As has been said above, the mayor started out as a crooked politician but could be helpful. Yup, now they;re turning him into Mr. Evil comic book bad guy and they're going overboard with the weekly crimes. I mean, REALLY? An Ebola type super-virus with an antidote no less, and the bad guys have the red horse pills full of poison which kills them as soon as it gets in their mouths! I had really enjoyed this show during the first two seasons, and despite liking the cast, I'm at the point where I could care less if it got cancelled. The show has changed, and IMO not in a good way. I"m even feeling that something is not right with even the original NCIS. Maybe it's just me...

I'm loving "Feud" and loving all the comments people are posting on all the threads! I grew up watching all the old Bette Davis & Joan Crawford movies (I was basically a film buff by the time I was 16). I won't even begin listing all the BD/JC movies I've seen (seen just about all of them). So far though, I'm surprised that only Psychoticstate has mentioned "Rain". This has always been one of my favorite JC pictures and one where she was so overlooked. If my memory serves correctly, I believe this was another movie role that she had to actively campaign to get as the part of Sadie Thompson was not exactly glamour girl material. She had been under contract to MGM at the time and was loaned out for "Rain". And this leads me to comment on how both Joan and Bette were each in early 30s movies based on Somerset Maugham stories (Bette in "Of Human Bondage", and I believe "The Letter" was also from a Maugham story), and playing bad girl parts.

I'm enjoying this series and hope it will compel people to search out further information about Henry and his Queens. As interesting as this series is, lets face it, they don't have enough time to really get below the very surface. For example, there was much more to Anne Boleyn's downfall than Henry just being tired of her and unhappy about the lack of a male heir. The Boleyn's were a very ambitious family and they made enemies. Anne herself didn't know when to keep her mouth shut and her doom was sealed when she made an enemy of Thomas Cromwell. This was a time in English history where being too close to the crown could be a very dangerous thing. And unfortunately for the women in these powerful and ambitious English families, they were used as the pawns in the power game. And of course, some of them were very ambitious themselves and went along gladly.

I'm sorry for my poor choice of words - Walnutqueen is correct - and please don't think that I was saying that Mrs. Blake deserved to be murdered, it's just as txhorns said, it's more of an explanation. Unfortunately, in Mrs. Blake's case, she finally chose to play her game with the wrong guy and it cost her life.

I'm not one for fantasy or sci-fi tv shows in general but I'm finding myself glued to the tv while this is one (or should I say to my DVR). The sets are stunning, some of the costumes are beautiful, the acting is okay, and the story itself is intriguing. What, indeed, is the end game here? I think there's going to be lots of twists to this story! The thing I'm finding very off-putting is the amount of violence. I actually winced while watching West torture Dorothy. God forbid they show a woman's breast on network television but it's a-okay to show torture, throat slashing, bullets in the head, etc. The 1939 movie was pretty scary in places and yet didn't rub our noses in gore. I do like that this show is also very Female driven. Dorothy, the Witches, Tip, Lady Ev - all major characters - good, bad, and evil.

Count me as someone else who wished the Kay Wernal case had been two hours. I'm another person who thinks the murder had been done by a pro. How many people do you personally know could slice someone's throat and not leave some evidence behind? Who ever did this knew how to disable her and acted quickly. And again, people open doors to strangers all the time. She was living in an upscale neighborhood and maybe thought that murders and horrible crimes didn't happen there. Maybe the killer posed as a delivery man or meter reader or something like that. Maybe he even posed as a cop and flashed a badge. It would have been interesting to know more about Kay's past. It seemed that she tried to marry "up" and who knows if she stepped on some toes on the way up the ladder. Maybe she had a seamy past - so much left out of the story. Years ago I remember reading the Rolling Stone article on Robert Blake's murdered wife and there were details about her "past" written about in the article that made one think if a "victim" ever had it coming to them, it was her. Not saying that's the case with Kay but I'm sure there was plenty of "background" they could've told us about that maybe would've made a motive for the murder clearer.

"W had a post-anvil epiphany after talking with "Graffiti Artist Brother Martyr"... We have to save geniuses from themselves, it's in their nature to self-destruct while bettering the world.... " LOL - how true! At least to the writers of this show...

Well, I guess that I get to go first on this one... I had really liked this show when it first started; now I find it annoying in the way they are trying to create drama in stupid ways. Why did "W" feel the need to lie to his wife which put his marriage on the line, and for what? And in "real life", James would've probably put the old guy on a yacht and had the unapproved medicine given to him out in the open sea or someplace not under FDA rules. Anybody remember the laetrille clinics in Mexico? And we also have the doctor Priest give Angie a kiss and then look like he is confused about his feelings which will lead him questioning his vocation. Yawn. Like a good-looking guy like him has never been around women before, and we know that Angie is just super-special. Plus he speaks Manderin and would be the perfect son-in-law for Chinese Mom! Was this episode supposed to be the cliffhanger finale? Pull the plug and be done already, or get some decent writers who can give an appealing cast some really interesting story lines instead of this trite stale horsepoop.