Boo Boo

Well, given how easily Randall forgave his mother for lying about his bio dad, I'm sure this hasn't spoiled their memory of their saintly father.

I'm wondering if MAFS is giving incentives for couples to stay together for at least a little bit or they are all hoping for the spinoff shows. With the exception of Noi and Steve, I see each of the other marriages failing.

Am I the only one who finds Tamara ugly? Those horrible over inflated lips, weird shaped face? I also think Tamara and Dominica look like each other.

So the stars just happen to align and even Madison and her husband can move back east.

Right -- this is what I mean though -- I feel like he started off this dark character and is now this lighthearted character. I mean sure, he's now part of an I guess healthy family dynamic, but it seems odd that the character that basically faked his death is now such a well adjusted light hearted person even if he did do the work.

Am I the only one that never liked the Nicky storyline? I love Griffin Dunne as an actor in general and he does a great job. However, I feel like this is another storyline where the starting character of Nicky feels far different to me than what he ended up. Like he joins the Big Three orbit and suddenly his problems are gone and he's this well-adjusted human.

Ella and her biting of lips, tongue peeking out is not as sexy as she thinks it is. And the blonde with the big nose (Mara?) def isn't as cute as she thinks she is. The American who is pulling the Hilaria Baldwin Aussie cosplay is horrible. I don't believe for one second he's had as many sexual partners as he has claimed but if there's even an ounce of truth to that, I'd need a Silkwood-esque shower if I were Holly.

What was especially hilarious beyond the fact she can't sing was when Jen said, "showoff" and she was like "do you want this to be professional?" The delusions this girl is under!

I would rather they call it something else -- living together at first sight. Maybe have comittment ceremonies, a six month lease. I just feel like there's actually much more risk, more implications with the US version. And the Aussie version, as much as I enjoy it, attracts the people that just want to be reality TV stars. Granted, I suspect most MAF USers are just trying to up their IG#s.

YES!! I couldn't help but think during the flashbacks that they essentially created a long Juan Valdez commercial. I also was like wait, what? How do you go from clothing salesperson to construction?

I seriously started to dislike Sterling for his portrayal of Randall at times and I didn't think that was going to be possible.

I guess I'm in the minority: I did not love this episode. Too many flashbacks, flashforwards and I literally guffawed when Jack's name is mentioned during an argument with MIguel's first wife. "I'm not Jack!" so now we know even the ex wife worshiped at the shrine of Jack.

I agree, although the show certainly wants us to believe in Jack and Rebecca as the ultimate love story, that he was the best dad ever, best friend ever. Sure, we had a couple of fleeting moments where the show had him being an actual human being with some flaws that were obviously flaws, but he sure seemed to conquer those fast. The other things you mention -- the bulldozing of Rebecca's life and even the jealousy episodes seem to be painted as big romantic gestures from a man so in love with his wife that he didn't even want to do a golfing weekend with his buds! So in my mind, the show led the fans to idolize Jack. There are just some of us that don't view big life changing gestures as being romantic or praiseworthy.

Am I the only one that doesn't have a problem with any of the married couples living separately after this and actually dating after this? One of the things MTS said that was interesting: they way this all goes down, you don't get to miss your partner like you do when you date someone.

I know people can somehow forgive a partner for cheating, but these two, in my opinion have the foundation for distrust. Not only did he cheat on her the first time they were married, but both of them while in committed relationships found themselves on the verge of kissing -- not once, but twice. We also know that Kevin, at the first hint of trouble in a relationship or immediately after, heads right to another woman -- one incident (fresh off the near kiss with Sophie) ended up with Madison getting pregnant. We also know that despite whomever Sophie was with at the time, that she pined away for Kevin. Couldn't FF through the Manny for fuck's sake. I don't know, to me, she shouldn't have been in any relationship if she couldn't let go of a relationship. She shouldn't have put herself close to Kevin if the urge to kiss was that strong. She shouldn't have called him right before his wedding. It's portrayed as two people hopelessly in love but they've already had 2 attempts at a relationship in the past and it ended badly. Sure people change and grow, but I wouldn't find either one of them trustworthy. I would also argue that if you've had 2 actual attempts at a relationship and both didn't work out, you have sexual chemistry and nostalgia and that's it.

Which to me makes no sense. He doesn't know the person she is today. All either one of them know is what they had before. So what is he supposed to do -- suppress fond memories, like the way her hair smells? I could understand this more if it was him dating her now and he's stuck in their past, but they are just rekindling. He doesn't know how she's changed, how she's grown, that she uses a different shampoo. It's pretty clear the show is hell bent on redeeming Kevin so they are now glossing over what should be a valid concern: You cheated on me before, will you do that again?

I think they'll give them the happy ever after treatment given so few episodes left to throw in someone else. But IRL, I would bet it would be over in six months.

Do they even view him as an imperfect person? Seems like the only person that saw him as imperfect was Rebecca and that was for a fleeting moment while he beat his feeling moment of addiction. I really don't recall the other characters viewing Jack as anything other than the most wonderful husband, father, friend that ever existed. I mean, apparently Kate's marriage was ruined by Jack's ghost.

As I said above, her "I need you to love me for who I am today, not who I was before" makes no sense to me since they haven't spent any time together. If the storyline was them dating for another couple of months and then she figured out that he's in love with nostalgia, that line makes sense. I don't really care that much about who he ends up with, but I think the she's the end all, love of his life, soulmate story is odd given Kevin can't go to a wedding w/o his baby mama and SIL wondering which woman he's going to sleep with and that after being rejected by the Great Love of His Life, he can't just go back to the room, be by himself and cogitate on what happened. Is that growth? I don't think so.

She wasn't running off to elope with him when she was about to bed him and then freaked out, either. And as soon as he was rejected, he's off trying to find other women. That seems like the core of the person she married the first time, not someone that has matured.

But I"m talking about the specific reasoning she gave for her freakout the other night: She wants Kevin to love her for who she is today, not who she was. But both of them don't even know each other TODAY. They haven't spent any time together as a couple TODAY. They are both running on fumes of nostalgia, past love, and attraction. So it seems like a rather silly freakout and a rather silly coming back together. It would've made more sense if her freakout was, "this man cheated on me in the past -- how can I trust him going forward?"

I'm with the person you responded to that found that a ridiculous scenario especially when the reason for her apparently sudden changing course is that she is a different person now and he needs to be in love with that person, not the person from her past. Hey, guess what -- Kevin is a different person now from the one you knew and got married to way back when. He's a different person than the time she couldn't FF through The Manny. Does Sophie know the person he is now? How much time has she spent with him since he was an addict for a fleeting moment? None. She was married. She doesn't know HIM. Then there's the fact that shortly after being rejected, he's trying to see if there's a spark with Cassidy, right? That leads to "we're just friends." This is the guy you want to be with?

Right that's what I found so funny about Sophie running out b/c he said her hair still smelled the same and then the love me who I am now. I kept thinking: He doesn't even KNOW the person she is now. SHE doesn't know the person he is now. They both are running on nostalgia and attraction.

I get the sense that Katina probably dates bad boys. O has enough of an edge but probably a step up in terms of career and where he is in life. I think MIchael is too kind and quiet for her.

And then she'll get to die having forgotten all about Miguel and she'll see St. Jack waiting for her. Groan.