Pestilentia

Roger was just majorly hurt by her rejection and lashed out at her- people do that when they are wounded. He had set himself up to expect an entirely different scenario are was knocked completely off balance. All sorts of stupid things fall out of people's mouths when they open themselves up to this degree only to be met with a refusal. He got defensive and attacked- it's a very human reaction. When things calm down a bit he'll rethink his feelings on the matter.

Because it is accurate. You are watching a period drama after all, not a show set in 2018. History cannot be whitewashed because it offends current sensibilities- we want our historical fiction to be factual. Otherwise what's the point of getting the dresses and the home furnishings right and even the right breed of trendy dog for Caroline? If we want the pretty parts to reflect what really existed at the time then we have to accept the ugly, too. Otherwise you are watching fantasy.

Other than the fact that Valentine is apparently the spitting image of Ross. And is only gong to become more so the older he gets.

Nah, it's just the happy people don't post about it a lot. I'm 28 years in and very happy.

Maybe I'm just cranky but Demelza annoyed me no end this episode- her whole "Poor me I've never been to the city before and don't know how to behave" BS caused a whole heap of trouble and I blame her for it 100%. She can't be that stupid, she just can't. And Ross isn't far behind either- the way Ennys spoke it seemed perfectly acceptable for Ross to simply decline the invitation (so to speak) but no... he had to accept and take part in that ridiculous duel. Over nothing. I swear- I want to watch the Dwight and Carolyn show. It's a sad episode when gloomy Morwenna makes the most sense of anyone with her "It was for the best." And George couldn't have been all that surprised at Jeffrey Charles' comment about Valentine- he spent so long questioning the "eight months baby" and I think he would have called that doubt back up a time or two as Valentine grew. Nice hobby horse, though.

I understand and agree, but as a book reader I think the way the showrunners pick and choose only the high drama scenes to show us does make Claire and Jamie look like jerks. They bring disaster wherever they go. They make terrible situations ten times worse than they need to be. Claire's bullheaded insistence on forcing her 20th century opinions on everyone and everything is beginning to get to me- it's like she is intentionally abrasive. And yeah, TV needs drama. But the show is slipping and relying too much on violence and turmoil and pain- no one wants to watch this level of thing for entertainment- not me, anyway. Could we not have a bit more quiet time and daily drudgery? Does every episode need to include catastrophic death? It's too much.

Loved the song choice- the sudden disconnect and dichotomy mirrored their being jarred out of a sound sleep then as it progressed it only furthered the inequity of their waltzing into this brave new land of opportunity expecting the best and receiving the worst. In my head Bonnet was older and vile and revolting visually even before his behavior confirmed it. And IMO the actor looks a tad too much like young Ian- caught by candle light I had to look twice to know who it was. And speaking of young Ian- did anyone else find some of his mannerisms to mirror those of his mother to a remarkable degree? I very much doubt the two actors are really related, so to me his reminding me so much of Jenny was a real treat- the way he used his hands and his face really resembled her. John Bell was astounding.

To me she is just wallowing. I don't expect her to "shake it off" but I do expect her to stop indulging herself in abject misery and make some a small attempt in some small manner to improve her own life in some small way. At this point she is enjoying being wretched just a bit too much and dancing on the edge of martyrdom. Rosina has a spine so presumably other females in this era have them, too. Fight, girl. Show a bit of moxy. Something. I do hope something happens soon that provides George some humanity otherwise he will forever remain a one dimensional cartoon. SO happy that Caroline and Dwight found themselves again- by far my favorite pairing and couple.

If someone could provide a short explanation regarding how George's buying a borough works to get him a seat in Parliament that'd be great. Is he buying actual property or bribing voters or what? What might a maneuver like that cost? And I must comment on Dr. Enys/Luke Norris- the work he did in this episode was stellar. The death of a child is heartbreaking in any context but his ability to portray the pain hovering just under the surface then erupting when all effort to contain it has failed was remarkable. And the undertones in his and Caroline's words as she left for London- very strong performance. Mining be dangerous- can't they just go farm barley or rye or something? I know it's a family tradition to mine but the meager living they are making doesn't seem worth the extreme risks. Does Ross not receive a salary as an MP? Agree that his continuing to bring up Hugh is infuriating, but then I found the entire Hugh storyline to be ridiculous in the extreme, so that it continues to haunt us in such an jarring manner comes as no surprise.

They are actors. And if it is easy to see then it's because they meant you to see it. Misdirection happens many different ways. .

I don't see how the order of filming has any bearing at all on the order in which scenes are aired. I think most of the fuss about who was where when as regards filming locations is people showing off their virtuosity in fantasizing plot and end game, and they all depend on insanely over-precise predictions of where the show is going. I won't quite say garbage in, garbage out, but insanely overprecise predictions in, insanely overprecise conclusions out.

Well, I'm going to speed watch season 7 again tonight and overly scrutinize all of Tyrion's scenes.

Well, I thought Ian the elder was looking mighty fine and aged quite well. That said I haven't really enjoyed anything about this show since the Helwater/Willie episode. Everything seems so stilted and off kilter.

See- I thought he had lost quite a bit of bulk, especially around his neck. I enjoyed his face so much during this episode only because he looked more hollow around the cheeks, not the overfed face of someone bulking to the degree he had been. For me the ridiculously overdeveloped traps he had in the earlier seasons were so distracting and I was happy to see that apparently they had finally decided to back off the bulking a bit. Especially when seen in contrast with his still slim legs, that Ferdinand the Bull physique they forced on him was laughable- he looks so much better and more balanced now although "never skip leg day" should be enforced in his regimen. Could be that his trainer got a clue as far as needing to back off the upper body a bit but IMO his face reflected less of the forced bulking diet than before. Yeah, I'm shallow this way, it's an interest and hobby I enjoy. Just thought that his face looked so much better than before- I remember a scene or two in the past where he could barely look back over his shoulder because of the humongous traps and was just thrilled to see them less overdeveloped. This was one of my most favorite episodes ever- I don't give a crap about the physics of time travel and can overlook casting a child that doesn't look like Jamie. I do wish Lord John had remained blonde as he is probably my favorite character of the entire series aside from Raymond. I also haven't seen mentioned that Jamie's explanation about what love is to Geneva turned out to be as much about Willie as it was about Claire- giving your heart and soul and having theirs given in return.

I'm just glad it's over. My husband is the conspiracy theorist in this household and even though we both found the show absurd, we tend to finish what we start through to the bitter end. Every minute this show was on I found myself thinking of the "Jump To Conclusions" game the guy in "Office Space" invented. This Mudgett guy just might be the most skilled jumper to conclusions I have ever seen- his leaps were truly astounding.

IMO his speech is that of someone who had an impediment of some sort as a child and has had speech therapy to work around it. It's distracting but I try to cut him a break just in case I am correct. What really did annoy me was his apparent expectation that the tiny area Post Office in Chicago would have the authority to allow them to excavate. This property is owned by the Feds and to me that means he would have had to go to Washington and wade through red tape for months if not years in order to find someone with the authority (USPS Board of Governors?) to allow that land to be dug up. Maybe not, but I doubt that anyone in Chicago had the authority to make that call. And the river bottom depressions- we had three to six feet of sludge that was dredged decades ago. A quick google tells me that "Dredging is being performed using a closed bucket mechanical dredge. The dredged material is loaded onto barges or scows and then moved to the disposal area. Next, dredged material is mixed with water (slurried) that is obtained from the CDF [confined disposal facility], to make a mud-mixture. This slurry is then pumped into the CDF and allowed to settle. As the sediment settles to the bottom, clean water remains at the surface, which can then be recycled for additional sediment placement." So please explain to me how a river bottom so altered and disturbed would show remnants of concrete dumping over a century later? It makes no sense to me. And if Holmes used a crematory he would have had sense to grind the cremains like any other crematory does so why go to all the trouble with block of concrete that would require far more effort than dumping ground cremains? Yeah, I know his temperatures could not reach the levels or lengths of a modern crematory but various cultures have been burning bodies since the discovery of fire. To what degree of... well, done-ness I have no idea and don't really need to see that re-enacted with an animal, but I'm sure there are ways to thoroughly destroy a body by fire. As far as the show itself, it's light entertainment not a documentary- I expect them to pick and choose and exaggerate and over act. But some elements of it are fascinating, most especially for me the forensic linguists. I guess you can specialize in anything nowadays and it almost makes me wish I was young enough to be choosing a career path. But like any of these investigative shows (husband is a conspiracy theorist who watches them all so I hear them even if I am not watching), I keep thinking "If this theory had panned out I would have heard about it on the national news."

I heard him as saying "I made $1100 (eleven-hundred) today." Which I thought was a croc. I doubt he makes $1100 a month. But I already deleted the show so can't go check. But at least he has an interest in something.

It seemed to me that all of his ER visits and prescriptions took place during a one month period and the system only updates once a month. No he's not. He's amusing himself. I continue to be permanently baffled at his father's inability to say "No." This guy needs to be locked in a room and handed a boiled egg three times a day and nothing else. ETA: And was no one else concerned that an ad telling you to pack a can of Redi-Whip in your kids lunchbox aired during this fiasco of a show? That's how situations like this get started.

That's the only explanation that makes any sense. The psychology of enablers would make a far more interesting show- I simply cannot wrap my head around them.

I don't see biology being at fault- it's the enabler that causes allows the perfect storm lifestyle choice. The very first day someone cannot/will not leave their bed is the day I put a plate of broccoli on a table in the next room and say "There is is, get up and go get it or no food for you." A show exploring the psychology of the enablers would be interesting.

It was terrible. Not only because there were too many too frequently, but because they were so jarring. Most of the time commercials come at some sort of a natural break in the flow of things but these just seemed to break in at the oddest times. I think they are shaving seconds off the end of the scene in order to cram in even more commercial time which makes us feel like we just got dumped right out of the show- there was not even the slightest pause at the transition. It sucked and really took me out of the show.

This was not bad- some decent casting, Herrera isn't bad to look at, and I love Ben Daniels voice and face. I was especially happy there at the end to hear that they spent the big bucks and got the rights to the real music- it's become such an integral part of the genre. The only problem I saw was that Geena Davis's face took me out of the moment every time she appeared onscreen. While Daniel's face is lovely and lined and aged as a person's should be at that stage of their life, Davis's was just wrong. Sorry, but bad/excessive surgery just destroys a faces character- she sounded enough like Geena Davis but the essential 'essence of' was lacking for me. Superficial maybe, and I don't necessarily want to descend into a rant about aging actresses destroying what made them attractive to begin with, but it really bothered me. Keeping the season pass for now- maybe they'll tweak the lighting or smear vaseline on the lens or something and it won't stand out as badly as the season progresses. Hope so.

I'm guessing you don't know many surgeons.

My memory of book Bree is of her absolutely towering over everyone and being almost sasquatch size, especially her feet. I don't know whether that is accurate or not but it's what my memory is giving me. Like she and Jamie were almost part of a super race of humans. We lost that when Sam was cast, or I guess more accurately when Caitriona was cast as she was so much taller than book Claire. We got past that OK with Sam (for the most part) so I guess we can get past Sophie, although Bree's imposing physicality was, for me at least (a woman who works out hard to stay strong) a big part of her character. And FWIW I have no lines in my face and I'm well out of my 50's- aging doesn't happen to everyone the same way. Anyway, I think I am done being critical of Sophie- she's been tossed into a well oiled production and is doing her best, so I'm going to let her simmer a bit and see how she turns out after the flavors meld. Upon rewatch I kept noticing Jamie noticing the sounds of battle, and thought "Yep- your friends are all out there fighting and dying and here you are snuck off into the bushes boning your lady-love." OK, no bushes, stones on a hilltop, but still. No wonder he lived- he was late to the party. I thought that a poor representation of our hero (who is an officer) and wish it hadn't been handled that way.

Seems to me that they cast on facial characteristics alone, trying to find someone who looks like Jamie without considering her experience or abilities. She may mature into the roll but she'd better start working out that upper body if she expects to be building all those pipes and plumbing in the new world. Just sayin'. I think that moment was some of Sam's finest work on this show. He's come a long way as an actor IME- he was Jamie at that moment and I haven't always been able to say that. That scene was perfection. My first sob was when Jamie appeared in the arch. That was beautiful. As I had been pre-grieving the loss of many of "my boys" all during the past two weeks I was happy that we didn't get too much stabbing and dying on the bleak moor of Culloden. I guess that can come later. What we did get was the stabbing and dying of Dougal, and IMO McTavish has knocked his uber-emotional scenes out of the park these past two weeks. He plays conflicted very well, and while I am sorry to see him go I think his career is on a whole new trajectory now, so on to Preacher we go where he plays what is probably one of the most ultimately powerful characters ever written. Murtagh and Fergus just make me silly with love, both of them. We need this dynamic duo together next season, and I hope the higher ups recognize this need. #savemurtagh indeed, lord I love that man. And I have to say that the casting of Roger was so spot on that I don't even have words- it's as if he walked right off the pages of the book onto the screen. I had to make mental adjustments for Claire, for Jamie, for Murtagh- for most of them, but Roger looked and acted exactly as he did in the books. He's going to be a real pleasure to watch in the coming seasons. As far as the last scene being cheesy, TV has a long history of being anvilicious and underestimating it's viewers and this scene may be one of the the most egregious examples of that yet. We know what she's thinking, no need to literally paint it for us with Crayola crayons. All that was missing was a parade of thought bubbles saying "Jamie survived!!" and "I have to go back to him!!" You're better than that, show. However, you gave me Murtagh and Fergus characters far and above my expectations so I guess we're even now but jeez that was distracting.