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....is why I really don't think she thinks she did anything wrong. My impression is that Bravo goes about setting up their equipment and what not, but it's not like there's some reminder about being on camera. There isn't a cameraperson in the car, there are fixed, probably small lens cameras all over. Which lends to completely forgetting that they're there. I think Amber legit believes she was having a private conversation in that car. You can see from Melissa's reaction job that she remained aware. Even after it's being pointed out to her (in next week's preview somebody says to her you were passing on gossip) and she replies to. Melissa. Which totally baffled me. I was like wait, does she think the person she told it to makes it *not gossip*? Weird. This. If there had been no other example of Jim's incredible bitchass douchebaggery (™ Dina Manzo), it was this. Bro, that's your best friend, who came over to your house to talk - a move he didn't have to make - and as, what?, a part of absolving your wife for her obvious contribution to this nutfuckery, on camera, you start telling shit he's told you in confidence that has nothing at all to do with the fight, the show or him being there to see if he can peace it up? Oh my God. Bobby should've answered their "the reason he won't marry you" with yeah does anybody know the real reason you don't practice is because attorneys are sort of required to have impulse control while they talk? I kinda had a feeling it was over when Bobby walked into their kitchen. They should've had the opportunity to have that conversation without Amber and her wheelbarrow of bullshit. Dina's relationship with Lexi bothered me a little before this episode but she articulated why when they were in the tattoo shop. Something about Lexi asking how the date went and Dina telling her Lexi knows all about her life. My daughter's 15 so I get the whole my kid is my best friend thing, but, boundaries, that's still not just a child, your child. Why does she know about your dating life and your grown woman thoughts? Inappropriate and selfish, give her the chance to finish being a kid. I giggled at Hottie Toddy. I guess if nobody corrects her, Amber pretty much walks around thinking it's a thing. Shame on Jim some more lol. I couldn't hang as far as WWHL, did anybody point out that he knows how to properly pronounce etiquette? Moment of the night for me was Joe elbowing Rosie and telling her watch this - as Hellania (™ I'm sorry I don't remember the poster who renamed her but funny as hell) was presumably about to get pecked through the box handles. Loved it. Also, I'm with her on the proper number of chickens to order at once. 100 sounds about right. lol.

If you're a bird, I'm a bird. (™ R. Gosling) LOL!!! True story.

I can't speak to why Heather reached the conclusion she did but *I*, me, Zaldamo, think Aviva is a racist because unlike Heather, what she has said has been specifically about race. As pointed out in other posts, her references were not contained to a cast that is just volatile, that has been shown to be true across the franchise, she has on more than one occasion linked and associated negative stereotypical behavior with an all black cast and that makes it solely about race. That's what makes that shitty. Heather is more likeable to me but it's because she's not an asshole. Mileage, et. al. edited because at and an mean two totally different things.

I'm certain Heather's the only person who can clarify that for you. You asked what anybody who thought Aviva's references were racist thinks of Heather's comment and for my part, I answered. But for the record, "holla" also isn't race specific.

Personally? I understood the OP's doubts pretty clearly. The reason I'm sure they knew the difference is because what they actually said was snatchED, not snatch. It's really only awkward if you maintain the belief that they were using it as slang (noun) as opposed to its actual meaning (verb).

Detroit, I wish I had more votes to love you with. You put into words so articulately what I had no idea was even bothering me. Nothing. Because the word ghetto refers to a tangible environment inhabited primarily by people who have economic disadvantage in common and subsequently the area itself is or becomes economically disadvantaged. Sort of like the name given to the formerly thriving neighborhoods where Jews lived by the thousands during the pre Holocaust period while awaiting their fate. Unlike Aviva's direct and indirect implications with regard to behavior that referenced an all. black. cast. and other really ignorant ass shit she's said, use of the word ghetto as a standalone isn't race specifc. Hope that helped.

This. Imo LuAnn has shown plenty of restraint. Ramona starts with an insult, gets no reaction and gets more and more insistent until she gets bored. The whole time, having unfettered glee at and complete disregard for her unsolicited contribution to someone else’s pain. Why should LuAnn be held to and execute a standard that (still) never occurs to Ramona. I think if what we’ve seen on camera is any indication, LuAnn has done an amazing job of maintaining some restraint and dignity but there’s a basic rule of confrontation – don’t start none, there won’t be none. Ramona has spent the last 5 seasons starting some; AFAIK, Lulu’s just finishing it. After how OTT rude and ridiculous Ramona was in the Berkshires way before she was *reminded of her childhood* Heather’s got every right to smile at her discomfort. I admit that this is made easier by having enough personal pettiness that if I were to hear a guest refer to my (multi?) million dollar summer home as the garage, I’d tell her not to bother unpacking, dear. Uneducated guess but I think she’s saying that in a less hospitable setting, Aviva’s glaring inauthenticity wouldn’t be well received. and perhaps by comparison, the housewives have displayed aplomb by (most of the time) refusing to feed her. and now I'll need you to find some justifiable excuse for me to use this phrase on my next conference call or the one after, I’m not picky. I hear she likes that, so.. Now that the timing suits her, Ramona’s point is that the kids are off limits. It's just one more example of her slippery ass definition of a higher ground standard that she never applies to her own behavior. edited for nosiness: I bailed on RHoBH early, what was the bad awful that happened to Adrienne?

I'll go back to being nice in a sec, but in the meantime I'm going to say that I think this is because it's being quantified in degrees/levels. I gave her the same benefit of the doubt I give everybody. Then she opened her mouth. She doesn't need to pull a hood out of her Birkin to prove it to me.

You dead ass for having a 9b. Lmao!!! Girl? I was like this heffa on stage looking regular. sitchyoass down! It's hours later and I'm still laughing. ::fastclap:: Jeevs, my inhaler, at once. LMAO!! girl, a whisper remix?? what the hell? lol!! Um, Joc had Teletubby, Karlie AND a wife? Yo, the 404 is not a game, ya'll going through something ser'uss down there. Benzino need to fall in love with whoever can put up with no neck and them chicken ass arms and a 50 year old man trying to sound 19. I giggled at whasshername and 1/2 of hip hop weekly. um, babe, first of all that's about eighty nine dollars and second of all, bout eighty eight of it was acquired before you. please be seated.

The traditional (non slang) definition of snatch is to snap or grasp abruptly. When a bunch of black women say that you look "snatched" It's a compliment synonymous with: looking put together, tight, all grabbed up without a fiber out of place. It usually refers to a woman whose waist is flawlessly defined in the most feminine way. Telling her the dress had to look like a vagina wouldn't really make sense. ;)

the far more irritating issue to me is why anyone is extending themselves to find excuses for Aviva's - since we don't like the term racism - i'll replace it with the more pc *racial insensitivity* - what the hell are all the comparisons about? this isn't the warren commission, the girl's a dick who always seems to have something *racially insensitive* to say at the READY. Like what else do we need, are we looking for confederacy throw pillows or something? shit.

for coming up with this and for doing so at 5:30 in the morning eastern standard, please accept my hardest tackle hug and 1/2 of my peanut butter and jelly sandwich. (it's welch's grape) ::BrickHeckwhisper:: neither did Mussolini.

because there aren't any chandeliers and rugs in the real world? lol.

Are the other eight 7 years old too. How bout as solutions go, stop fuckin? or hey, here's an idea, condoms are sold in the same store where you getcha big gulps, bro they're right next to the black n' milds. I can't be mad at Erica, everybody she knows is built like a Budweiser Clydesdale and is already fully sheathed in lycra most of the time. She'll find out. Lol. Put your closed captioning on for Scrappy's scenes - oodles of fun!

Maybe all she meant was that the knives handles are blinged out. MJ and Ang in the same week? Girl you need some aloe for your cornea? Last week they were shooting a movie just outside my work building. Starring DeNiro. I had a Lady Sonja Morgan moment and thought to myself well, he does have some fondness for black girls. Could not get my fat ass out there quickly enough. They were still adjusting lights and booms and carrying on and I had to catch my train but that's my latest tellit report nyc (not even close) brush with celebrity.

You won the internet today.

LOL!! Shadow. True confession time: I bought a locker chandelier and a rug and, wait for it....a coordinating stick on organizer, in flaming hot neon pink, yessir. You wanna know what the hell right? :D So I didn't give this any more thought than I would've if she'd wanted to plaster her bedroom walls with posters or stick an entire tab of Forever 21 earring studs in one ear and not the other or wear 2 different colored Converses. Is it totally and completely pointless? ::chews stalk of wheat:: Yup. But it's also a basically harmless way for kids to individualize and *make theirs* something that is otherwise pretty anonymous looking, especially in a setting where EVERYTHING must be the same (Catholic school), until that is, you reach special snowflake status of becoming an upperclassman and are rewarded with a locker. I giggled a little at where the hell are the textbooks? Chile these children are coming home herniated hear? Trust me, on their backs, in their hands or in class. Don't mean to sound defensive, I just wanted to be able to answer "who are these people" if I am these people. lol. Buffy you haven't seen the studies indicating that homosexuality is *caused* by when red and white make a baby? What'd you say to him is what I wanna know.

Ok, before I lose focus, I think, by jove, this might be the crux of the debate. They're here to talk about their lives so, personally? I don't think bringing up someone's marriage is out of order. Ah, but our Ramona took things a scosh (<-- I don't know how to spell scosh) further than just bringing it up. Whenever she talked about anyone's relationship it was always a) in a negative context and b) defaulted to the shittiest delivery possible. Like this chick ENJOYED seeing someone tank. I'm sorry but when it's happening to her? Dude I'd have to be made of apostle like stuff to resist that. That's just me though, Jesus knows my heart. Lol.

Yeah I think the women can film together, they get over pretty insulting stuff all the time and if I had to guess I'd say that check is pretty incentivizing in terms of hatchet-burying. but girl all your examples above are actual facts in these women's lives. Luanne was a Countess regardless of whether dude used his title. Carole is a widow who has a right to be wistful about the interrupted life she had with a man who died before his time. Josh is a branding expert. I have no idea what that means and how he works his hustle but the point I'm making here is that the shit Sonja comes up with isn't real. Employees and yachts and carrying on. Even a simple thing like having no hot water in the house turns into a convoluted bunch of goobly guck. The house was built in the 1870's so sometimes the pipes...blah blah blah. Yeah that explains why there's no water of either temperature coming out of that specific spigot. Not why you don't have hot water in the whole house. Sonja told Kristin how unkind it was for her to say to her husband behind her (Sonja's) back that she was delusional. Not to quibble, but it's actually Josh who said that and Kristin then listed the reasons she really is delusional and said here, lemme say it to your face. I dunno how I feel about using this tv series as a microcosm for how society treats each other at large but I will say that they might need to start treating Sonja they way they did Kelly.

BAM. Honey please don't come for Andy unless he sends for you. pouty sexy fish face? girl, bye! LMAO!!!!!!!

The most sad part of Sonja's ramblings is that I think she is actually slightly mentally ill. And I don't mean that to disparage the mentally ill, I mean I legit believe it's not simply delusion, the woman is so far removed from reality as to invent possessions and scenarios that make one question the assumption of her full capacity to begin with. She didn't just reach for it, the nutfuck threw it at Kristen, just not with the same amount of vigor as her glass throw. I don't want her to say anything, I want her to feel the same shitty way she made other women feel about the fissures in their relationships. I don't celebrate the demise of hers or any marriage as much as I relish in her humiliation surrounding it. She's an imbalanced, over inebriated wackadoo who has publicly delighted in the failures of her co-stars for years and I for one cannot wait to see Lulu ask her how it tastes, though I doubt she'll pose it as tactlessly as Ramona herself would. Schadenfreude's a fickle ass mistress, she should've kept her mouth shut. I'm also adding that I don't think you need to do this to more than one person to be a dick, doing it to Luanne meets eligibility requirements. I guess since I'm rubbing my hands together at the thought of *couldn't happen to a crappier person* I'm admitting to being a dick. I'm cool with it. Lol. ::sings in the Abbey courtyard:: How do you solve a problem like Aviva....? I started to rationalize her use of *ghetto* as some interchangeable synonym for the word she was actually grasping for as Mozelle said above. Then, thanks to ya'll, there are the comments in her blog. Lizz, Atlanta is the only all black Real Housewives franchise. I hope that shuts down any further debate (Countess Lulu style) about whether or not Veevs is a racist/has a racist side/exhibits racist tendencies. Vile. Her disability is not her leg, it's her personality. Aviva to Kristen: what makes your husband qualified to call her anything, is he a branding expert? Entire left side of the room: YES! Funniest. shit. ever. Ya'll started talking about this on July 26th, how did you see the reunion then? I only saw it last night. Do I need to have a talk with my dvr-uh? Mrsrwc, jinx! I owe you a Coke. :D

For 39 seconds straight I laughed, hard.

LOL!!!! Heather is to Amber as Sharon is to Shannon. C'mon jinj, I'm gonna need you to look alive. ;) eureka cross pollinated RHONJ with RHOC. I was about to say transposed holding oranges with (and then I blanked because the girls in NJ don't hold anything) so oranges with uh, hips.

I thought the kicker to the Nicole rumor was that she'd slept with Dina's ex-husband and Dina hadn't known the details until now. Like considering the stuff that this crowd doesn't take seriously, infidelity gossip doesn't seem like it would be such a big deal, unlesssssss..........lol. thanks 'kitteh ;)

Regular stuff? nothing I can think of. At this very moment I'm enjoying a medium iced tea, orange straw included. Miss Emily Post would frown upon drinking wine through a straw because it's all kinds of an etiquacy breach. Girl please, I'm a fan of the red solo cup but pinkies in the air and straws in your glass = me asking you to drop the bullshit or read more books on actual etiquette.