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How much trash do they generate? We’re a family of four and we don’t fill even one of those cans a week, much less what, 5? 6? Even if one was recycling, that’s astounding. As for the gamesmanship, I think Sam and Frankie have a long running thing going where they try to irk each other. None of that bothered me. It wasn’t what we do, but most of this show isn’t what we do. Frankie is very pretty. Her face is expressive. I can say that, right? I hope I can. If not, I apologize for my behavior and I am sorry if I upset her.

Ah, that's the issue then. Source methodology is only important if those creating the show - not only writers, but producers, directors, show runners, production company execs, etc. - want it to be. In this case, porting comics to TV or movie incarnations may have little to do with their original source, because many people have decided that the show has a greater chance of being successful with the masses if aspects of its origins are changed. Which, BTW, raises the question of whether the reimagined concepts are *better* than the original source material. I would argue in your example, for instance, that many people question whether Robin was necessary in the TV shows and movies and quite a few mock the character. Anyway, once that happens, source methodology is irrelevant, and then writers then must write within 1) the show's designation of its leads, and 2) the show's own mythology direction, which could have been contributed by many people, even viewer focus groups, etc., as I posted. For what I'm guessing is the vast majority of people who watch this TV show Flash, anything beyond a passing awareness of what Flash is/does and the DC universe as a whole is unnecessary. It's entirely possible for a member of an ensemble to break out because of their looks, acting or appeal for some other reason to a viewing audience, even if their initial role is equal to or less than others. Characters who were supposed to be part of a show only for an episode, or a few episodes, become main characters because the audience is drawn to them. This show's Wally had as much a chance as anyone ... long lost brother who returns and needs help but won't ask for it. He didn't catch on. I don't know his source material from comics, but even if they had used it, I'm not sure he would have caught on. Some canon just doesn't translate on TV.

I don't think that's quite right. Writers focus on who they either NEED to write because of the character's backstory/role, or who the HAVE to write (because it's a lead role). Also, they can ONLY write what they have time to write. You can't give every single character a fascinating, deep backstory and purpose. From the start, Wally, as a long-lost family member who was almost as fast as Barry, has a role that isn't key to the mythology (in fact, he's largely redundant, as Barry II) AND he isn't a lead role. Sometimes an actor who catches on with viewers because of his/her looks, acting, etc. forces writers create a larger role, because ratings. That apparently didn't happen here. I don't know what Wally is in the comics, because I don't read them. But in the show, there are only so many lead characters and he isn't one. I do find fault with how sulky they made him about not having powers, but then the entire cast has been written that way at one time or another. Thankfully there has been less of that this season.

That made no damn sense at all, but I enjoyed it anyway.

The funny thing is, the people I know who love this show aren’t science function fans and aren’t 80s fans (most are too young). This is sci-fi light for people who think it is scary. I did grow up in the 80s, and liked them, and I didn’t think this show was especially 80s aside from the clothes and cars.

Interesting thought. I agree that Lee being the shooter is too obvious. He's capable of it, but it's too pat IMO. Could they make the writers gathering any more condescending and obnoxious? Not sure how to read the scene where Amanda and Bob are packing silently. I was hoping she had broken up with him, but I guess not. And did she leave her manuscript behind? There was a shot of it on the bed, and then a shot of the champagne cart next to it as they left, but I didn't see the manuscript. Oh that break up with Abbott. Gamby led her on too long, but at least he came clean. I was sure that two school officials snorting caffeine and going to strip clubs was going to end up on social media. Guess not. Somehow I now look forward to this show, and these characters, and I don't know why. Too bad it will end soon.

As soon as the clothing guy said that, for millennials, starting a business is even harder, I skipped their segment. Way to represent the millennial stereotype.

I don’t care how many venues Iris and Barry go through, and I don’t care where Joe and Cecile live and I really don’t care if anyone is pregnant. Isn’t this a superhero show? The silly dialogue by The Thinker at the opening pretty much took away any dread of him as a villain. If Barry had hit those marbles at speed, he would have flown several blocks away not three feet in the air. Don’t understand the meta. Bad stuff just stops when she leaves? So the overheating latte machine just stopped overheating? Iris was plain nuts in the church. I’m barely hanging in with this show. If they start with the babies, I’m done.

That's too bad. Sounds like you're not open to different views. It's a big world.

You are so wrong about this assumption I'm not sure where to begin. Full disclosure: I'm a lifelong ST fan, that has watched every form of it except most of Enterprise, which I largely detested. Orville *is* ST:TNG for millennials. By that I mean there is occasional crass humor (though that isn't always present) and silly behavior that the Federation would never condone in the midst of (mostly) big stories with a moral. Try watching the episode about gender on one alien's planet, or the one last week about social media run amok. These are big ideas, just like ST. It isn't a happy show nor is it anything like a sitcom. I watched the first, free episode of Discovery, and liked it as well. haven't watched any others because of the PPV thing. It isn't the $6 that bugs me, it's the principle. So I can't really compare the two shows. I'm not one that would be bothered by Klingons who look different or technology that is better than what we see later in TOS, though. I just am glad both shows exist. I *am* curious how Discovery is doing in ratings, given it's online availability, and what its owner would view as good ratings vs. bad for its future.

I’m in the “Why is this a thing?” camp. I knew Peter D’s voice from the first sentence. It was weird seeing a totally different looking cartoon character with his voice though. I did enjoy the fact DSP wasn’t singing was scarier than the Halloween stuff.

I liked this episode, especially the scene in the truck. Sam and Jeff both were feeling it but it wouldn’t have been a good idea and would likely have caused all sorts of isssues. But Sam was still headed there until he had to talk about his dick. I don’t know why Sam’s daughters were so freaked out about a power blackout. Nor why a power blackout triggered phone warnings and the siren. And Robin turned out to be what I thought he was when he was depicted as understanding Sam’s poor road trip behavior.. an over sensitive wuss who is a little scary. Sam dodged a bullet.

I wish they would drop all big bads of the season, because the show has had a succession of them and the plot line is well past tired, and start focusing on some kind of goal or direction. or ultimate truth in a post zombie apocolypse world. I quit watching 3+ seasons ago because the show was going nowhere. I check into the premiere and the season ending episodes, so I watched 15 minutes of this one (I got to see the window shooting scene, and thought, in a Navin Johnson voice, "They really HATE those windows!"). It's still going nowhere.

Hey, a written recap of a show. Nice to see again. I don't watch this show anymore (too repetitive), but still nice. Thank you.

Maybe my favorite post about Shark Tank ever. Thank you, Amarsir, and all who contributed. For the record, Mrs. Ottis said immediately, "Was that Michael Jackson?" while Teen Spawn of Ottis simultaneously did one of those MJ,high-pitched "Eeee-heeees."

I thought Gamby's insulting comments were strange, too, until I remembered that Willows told Gamby he couldn't continue to pursue the mystery of who shot Gamby because he basically had to get back to his job. And that set off Gamby. So I can see the connection between that and Gamby's constant belittling comments. You know who seems to just be screwing with Gamby, egging him on at times, and stroking his ego when needed? DayShaun. I could see DayShaun shooting Gamby just to see what all the uptight white teachers do. Yes, this was beyond stupid. Also, I thought Christine acting out as strongly as she did at the party (drugs or not), and then apparently easily forgiving Lee at dinner was a weird change. There was no discussion about their marriage or any other issues (they apparently went to counseling off screen, but we didn't see anything about that). Just pissed, then accepting and smiling, and then, when she realizes Lee is lying again, anger and she is gone.

Finally got around to watching this. It was awful. So much overacting, like watching a play. I couldn’t finish it, deleted the rest and canceled recording.

Uh, OK I guess? So much drama.

That episode was just dumb. It’s hard to go along with even this show when you have Tom stealing his crack FBI agent wife’s ID without her noticing, Tom leaving ALL the bones with a guy he doesn’t even know, Liz watching without emotion as a woman kills herself, the transplant of a fully grown woman’s heart into a young (small) child, and an FBI director letting Liz off with a light warning for allowing all that to happen and lying to her fellow agents. Ridiculous even for this show.

I took Darlene's reaction to mean she pushed Elliot out of the window, and Elliott has thought for years it was his dad. But nothing else was said about that so maybe not.

This is one reason why I don't think this is "our" Barry. This is a pretty significant change from before he left, and I don't know why he would become this thoughtless. It isn't stuff like keeping the toilet seat up - it's planning a wedding. No groom in his right mind would make all those arrangements, even if he was super fast, without being sure his bride was in on it if not driving it. Like the fact Barry is being thoughtless re: wedding planning? Uh-oh. Oh, no. Now you've made me think that Iris will put Barry Left Meeeeeeeee + Barry is Being Inconsiderate together to = I shouldn't marry Barry. Nooooooo, not again!

Me, too. And she knows why he did what he did. At most, she could be mad that he didn't talk to her in advance, and he explained that. And now he is back, sooooooo .... let it go, Iris.

Something is not right with Barry. Still feels that way. You know, Barry, you didn’t have to disassemble the car. Just take off the wheels. Loved the Risky Business opening. Do cops have actual grenades? Why? Thought it was only flash bang. Iris brought the wahhhhhh. “How could you leave me?” Did you not understand what happened, Iris? Wally’s hair is seriously weird. All the jokey stuff and focus on Cisco’s issue with Gypsy while a guy’s life is at stake was bizarre.

Whose plan it was didn't matter. They all supported it. The fact that their efforts were hijacked by White Rose and Dark Army doesn't change the question of what did any of them expect to achieve after Stage 1? These are not dumb people. Nor are they especially young people, they are adults. I've always found it hard to believe that they would think Stage 1 was a good idea, that it would work, and that it wouldn't hurt far more people than the small number of rich ones that they targeted. Yet they did it.

This ep was a nice sort of reset, with some things finally being acknowledged (Angela knows Elliott is more than one person, AND can tell the difference) and an interesting new character (Irving). Unfortunately, they seem to be going Fringe/Flash/Man in High Castle with the larger mythology, which is disappointing. I expected something unique from Mr. Robot. Something more inward looking, more TRON-like, vs. yet another multiverse. BTW, Elliott is finally asking himself the questions I was asking in season one on these boards ... what is the purpose of Stage 1? Yes, it could wipe out records of debt, but to what end? Even if our society agreed to wipe out debt (unlikely), what system replaces what we had? Meanwhile, the chaos you caused is mostly hurting the same people you were hoping to help. Elliot and his team were never clear on that, and now he seems to recognize that this path was not a good one.