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LOL, "Freefall" is on right now. I'm sorry, but I can't not laugh my ass off when the helicopter falls on Romano. I had stopped watching by this time during the original run, so when I heard about this years later and found the clip on youtube, I actually thought it was a parody and not an actual thing that happened on the show.

Luka.

I'd prefer a Kraft single on a tuna steak to that nastiness Raven is "cooking."

I fucking love Kraft singles. I do not love them (nor have I ever heard of) them as an ingredient in mac and cheese. Sadly, I think this was intentional on Raven's part and not a matter of BB not giving them real cheese. And if they didn't... I mean... how many production/crew eyes are on these cameras at any given time? I REFUSE to believe that not one person would see that monstrosity even once (because doesn't she make this "dish" all the time?) and NOT immediately intervene and send a PA on an emergency run to the nearest supermarket for some actual fucking cheese. Gross.

well... if she wants it to be unanimous she'd better tell Cody, Elena and Mark to change their votes. LOL at these clueless motherfuckers. ETA - Mark, not Matt. Same/same in terms of usefulness....

I think they care more than they want to admit. Cody was talking about losing his shit on everyone if this happened and Jess appeared to be seriously considering using the veto even though in her mind this would destroy all the good will she built up while Cody was gone (bullshit, but she believes it). Most importantly, they REALLY don't want Paul to get his way and they REALLY REALLY hate Josh. I think they very much care if Ramses goes, which is why putting up Paul (or at least Alex) would be a win/win (get out Josh, OR if the "pawn" goes home it weakens that side and gets rid of a player with, you know, ALLIES). Losing a player with zero allies (who could have potentially been a number for them, because clearly no one else wants him) and keeping a legit enemy who is also a Paul minion is more than just a waste of an HOH. It's as if Paul himself had won HOH (and Cody won veto). Ramses would go in that scenario (maybe Mark, but probably Ramses). So LOL to Jess and Cody doing the second best thing for Paul's game right now. Ugh. Jess was much better without Cody. She would have used the veto had he not come back (or perhaps made better noms to begin with). This is why I could never get on board with wanting him to win the Battle Back. Besides the fact that he's a psycho tool whose only redeeming quality as far as I can see is that he wants to get rid of Paul (but apparently not now, so whatever dude), he's also TERRIBLE at this game and makes Jess second guess her own ideas which are at the very least, not complete delusions like his own. This season sucks. Kevin and Xmas are the only ones I don't hate who are also playing the game, and both are still currently up Paul's ass at least to some degree. I can't even find humor in Raven's OTT death declarations anymore because I want to punch her in the throat every time she appears.

See, I don't think it matters if they have the votes to get out Paul or not. They have nothing to lose by taking the shot as he will be coming after them anyway. If he stays (likely), he will have served the pawn purpose they are going for much better than Ramses ever could. Their target, Josh, would leave as planned. If the minions decide to wake up and vote Paul out, it's a huge win for Jess/Cody (and the rest of the house too - which is why MAYBE the minions would be tempted to take the shot if he was up there as none of them would have to get BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS and he's out pre-jury so they're truly rid of his ass). He'd very likely stay, but what does that change for Jess/Cody? They have safety for at least another week due to the hex, and they know Paul is coming after them the first chance he gets. The problem is, I think Jess really believes that these bs "safe" noms are helping build a bridge for them with Paul's people. She's wrong, and their target w/him and his "people" will be even bigger once she uses the hex anyway. So make a fucking move, girl!! I think Elena and Jason (and Ramses, if she saves him) would be willing to work with Jess (if she can keep Cody in line), and this scenario is WAY more likely if Paul leaves. If he doesn't, they are in the exact same spot they are now, but without Josh as a number for Paul. How is this a losing proposition either way?? ETA: well... I guess if the veto meeting is over and nothing changed, my above rant is meaningless. Carry on. These people are so stupid.

I just saw this on Twitter. REALLY?

The famewhore Duggars do not truly want this. TV and Jessa's beloved Instagram did not exist then. HOW WOULD THEY SPREAD THEIR "MINISTRY??"

Am I the only one who thinks this douchenozzle's accent is totally fake??

Cabbies are not allowed to refuse fares within the city limits, or negotiate a fare outside of the metered rate (or in the case of airport fares, the flat rate that is posted in all cabs). I mean, they DO refuse all the time (usually when asked to go to another borough from Manhattan) but usually it's by making an excuse like the meter just broke or they are going off duty, etc. The dude would not have done that with a camera crew present, he could lose his hack license. I agree that the discussion of $$ for waiting came up before they hit the FDNY training center, and Justin thought what the cabbie was asking was too much. Instead of calmly and nicely negotiating (OR JUST ASKING HIM TO RUN THE METER, DAMN), Justin went into full on "I'm a New Yorker and yer fucking me over, man" mode. Trust me, I know that feeling, but TIME AND PLACE, Justin. This was NOT it. Also, I'm not even sure the driver WAS trying to fuck them over. They had no idea how long they'd be gone or how long they would need his services. Again, METER. Also, I'm SURE Justin was crowing the whole ride there about how he was going to win $1,000,000, so why the hell WOULDN'T the cabbie assume they REALLY REALLY needed his help and would be willing to pay whatever for it? I know I'm being redundant but I'm just so glad Justin's mouth ended up doing him in. Also, cabs aside, I'm not sure they even would have won. Yeah they were able to make up the time fairly quickly (as were Logan & Chris) as evidenced by all 3 teams seeing each other on the boats. But Kelsey and Joey appeared to do all the flags in the first attempt (with the exception of initially adding the extra flag on the bottom) - we know L&C sucked at that one but I'm pretty sure J&D did not complete that as quickly as K&J. Also, we saw them have to fix one chair, but this could simply be because the editors wanted it to make it look closer than it was. It's entirely possible that they had re-do more of the chairs. Justin certainly spent a lot of time looking/yelling at K&J during that task while Diana hammered away. Does anyone know the time difference between first and second to the mat? I'm very curious. I mean, it would be hilarious if it was like 5 minutes, meaning the cab WAS their entire undoing, but I suspect there was more at play than that. K&J ran a pretty flawless leg.

Technically, if they had found a stranger (someone not affiliated with the fire dept if they are not allowed to help) with the Uber app on their phone, they could have called for a taxi. Uber has a taxi option now (at least in NYC) and there is just a fee of $2 charged to the Uber account, the actual fare is paid by meter like any other taxi. They could have paid the account holder the $2 and then taken the taxi that was sent by Uber (which would be a lot faster (and probably cheaper) than calling a car service based in Queens or Manhattan, which IMO would have been their only other option aside from what they did, which was to take the bus in the wrong direction in order to get to Manhattan and hail another cab. Of course, finding someone not associated with the fire dept and THEN convincing them (nicely of course) to allow their Uber app to be used to get a taxi (or even to borrow their phone and call a car) would require Justin to stop being an entitled dick for five minutes and I don't think he's capable of that. And he surely wouldn't have allowed Diana to speak...

I think you're right about the flat rate maybe only applying to Manhattan - but Randall's Island is technically part of Manhattan, not Queens. I think what happened is that Kelsey and Joey paid the driver the flat from JFK, and THEN asked him to run the meter and wait. Once the meter was running, they owed him that $$, so yeah, had Chris and Logan actually stolen the cab they would be responsible for the entire fare from the time the meter began. Of course, that's a moot point because I don't believe the driver would have taken them (unless Kelsey and Joey were ALSO in the cab, and I guess had L&C refused to budge that may have been the result). Justin is not only unpleasant, he is dumb. For someone who has lived here for 20 years, he should have known to do exactly what K&J did - have the cabbie run the meter if they couldn't agree on a waiting time. The $100 that J&D's driver was asking for may have seemed excessive, but they had no idea how long they'd be gone. Running the meter would be the only way to ensure neither the cabbie nor the racers got screwed. And if the meter was running and the racers didn't pay, the cabbie has the right to call the cops. That cabbie would have been smart to stick around and chill with the meter running. Justin either refused to allow the meter to run, or simply pissed the driver off enough that he wanted to peace out anyway. I mean... this is someone for whom winning this race apparently means EVERYTHING. And he must know you cannot just hail a cab on Randall's Island. What did he ACTUALLY think would happen when his cab peaced out? IMO he figured he'd be first to finish the task and planned to steal another team's cab all along. He didn't even seriously try to negotiate with the driver, he literally seemed like he wanted to ARGUE. I hope he's still weeping. I think if there was a penalty for not returning the firefighter gear it would not have been shown as it didn't matter for the third place team. Chris and Logan's bickering was actually really funny to me, and I usually hate that shit on the race. Maybe it's because I don't actually think they are a real couple. Chris is not straight.

I greatly enjoyed Captain Lee's call-out's of Rocky, mainly because a)she totally deserved them, and b)Andy was not addressing Lee at all so he just interjected when he smelled BS. I agree Bravo forbade him from firing her and now he's saying what he's wanted to all along. Ditto for Kate pointing out that Rocky didn't earn her tips. If I'm someone's boss but am not allowed to get rid of that person for being useless and or unprofessional, I'd be pissed too. And I loved how they showed clips of Rocky shit talking Leon's food - I agree with whomever upthread said that Rocky's BFF status with Leon is purely out of mutual hatred for Kate. Immature. I don't care if she's a bitch, I think Kate is hilarious on the show and on social media, and though the slut shaming tweets were a bit much, I just can't muster any sympathy for Rocky under any circumstances. Bitch is not living in reality. Lazy and entitled are two of the least attractive qualities in a person, IMO. Add "possibly mentally unstable" and she's just really, really hard to watch/listen to. I hope next week is not "the Rocky show" again, but it probably will be because of the Eddie drama. Yawn.

Oh, totally. I just couldn't believe I was hearing it at the exact same time as I was reading this particular thread. That was some spooky shit. I know this has been mentioned but I think of spooge every time I hear it. And unfortunately I don't think he has to go to traditional school to get beat up for that name, but someone should beat up Jessa and Ben on his behalf for giving it to him.

Okay, I'm watching an episode of 48 Hrs on Investigation Discovery right now (while reading this thread at the same time) and the cold case detective is named Roger SPURGEON. They keep saying it. "Spurgeon got a tip." Spurgeon thought he had a promising lead." SPURGEON SPURGEON SPURGEON. I rewound it 3 times to make sure this stupid ass family is not seeping into my subconscious. That poor kid would have been better off with one of those urban legend names like Orangelo or Lemongelo. Or something from the Teen Mom franchise. Fucking Spurgeon. What enormous tools these people are. I'm still waiting to hear we've all been punked.

I think Ciera was correct to see Andrew using her as a decoy as a red flag. He also made sure to tell everyone how tight he was with Woo and Abi ("unbreakable!" Everything with that dude is so overdramatic, I feel like he sees Survivor as some kind of audition, but that's a different topic altogether)... not realizing that a)it showed his old Bayon alliance that they were no longer as important to him, and b)HE was in charge of both alliances. What happens if Ciera/Kass go along and get rid of Spencer? Who would be next on Andrew's hit list? Assuming no imminent merge, Ciera absolutely should have been worried, because in that scenario it probably would have been between her and Wigglesworth, and Ciera is much weaker in challenges and more vocally strategic. Dumping Woo weakens Andrew. It was much less risky to go after Woo than Andrew himself, because Abi. I know we didn't see that part (wish we had) but there is no doubt in my mind that all it took was one short convo between Ciera and Abi for Ciera to realize that Abi has been chomping at the bit to get rid of Woo and that trio was not, in fact, UNBREAKABLE. I also thought Kass and Spencer played well here. If their rivalry is truly real (and if not, good acting, both on the show and off) they did what a lot of lesser players would not have been able to do, which is put the bad blood aside to benefit both of their games. Kass saved Spencer's ass by telling him what was up, and Spencer took the leap of faith and trusted her - he could have fucked that up easily and sealed his fate by not trusting her (and a lot of people would have done just that and gone running their mouth to the wrong people, trying to flip the vote to Kass, IMO). Woo may have been a loyal soldier or whatever but he was way too passive and he was ANDREW'S loyal soldier at that point, making it absolutely the right move to get rid of him (IMO). And I think Spencer is just as strong in challenges as Woo (didn't he actually win more individual immunities in his season than Woo? And was kept over J'Tia in the inept Brains tribe because he and Tasha were the only ones doing any good in challenges at all?) So that aspect wasn't a factor, I don't think. I always thought Woo was useless and I'm not at all sorry to see him go. Andrew Savage can go anytime now, thanks. Stephen is kind of pathetic. I think he's the one with "zero chance of winning the game." Again. I was spoiled so I knew all about Terry and his son but glad to see the show gave them that bit at the end showing that Danny is doing well and plugging organ donation. But I'm sorry, I was laughing when Probst was "interviewing" the other parents about it all earnestly and shit - wtf did he expect them to say? "Yeah, Jeff, not sure if I'd have gone home. Terry's a quitter! THIS IS MY SECOND CHANCE!!"

That link to Lawson's twitter takes me to an error page, but his twitter account is up and running so I assume he deleted the post in question. Can anyone please purpose to tell me what it said? Thanks!!

or an ammo box.

She reminds me of a SNL character. Can't place which one, or maybe I just think she SHOULD be one... but it's driving me nuts. And I had no idea she was a stylist until reading this thread. Disturbing. I also kinda see the Ramona comparisons, but that's an insult to Ramona. Ramona will always be pure trainwreck entertainment to me. Juliet just makes me want to change the channel.

Don't forget "neat," "pickles," and "PER-PEN-DIC-U-LAR." Oh, and "LIBERAL CONSPIRACY"..... I think the other reason so few of the kids are featured is that they actually don't give a flying fuck about being on TV, (or flat out don't want to be) but can't say no to Daddy, so they are relegated to the background for fear they may let some actual reality slip. JD and Joseph come to mind here. I don't think Jana wants any part of this dog and pony show either, but Boob and Mullet trust her to "keep sweet" so she's allowed to talk. The only Duggar special I will ever watch is one in which one or more of them leave the cult. Jinger or Josiah preferably but any of them will do...

Well. I didn't love this outcome - Steve was my last choice of the final 3 in terms of rooting interest - but given the way it all went down, he definitely deserved it. I'm bummed that V lost on a crapshoot, but I knew Steve was no Cody and he made the smartest (only) move for his game. Liz disappointed me. I'm pretty sure the jury had their minds made up (seems to always be the case ever since this finale format came into play) but man she tanked those questions, big time. When Steve was talking about she was in a hotel for weeks while Julia was in the house, Liz had a perfect opportunity to point out that this put her at a huge disadvantage - she was completely out of the game loop for all that time and had to adjust each and every time. Five minutes in the DR with her sister isn't going to help much. Furthermore, she could have flipped the "Austin controlled the twins" narrative on its head and pointed out that she and Julia acted as Austin's shield BY BEING TWINS and yet everyone viewed him as the bigger target. She won more comps than Austin, and when the twins ended up on the block together, THEY ACTUALLY CONVINCED THE HOUSE TO LET THEM DECIDE WHO WENT, AND IT WAS THE TWIN WHO HADN'T WON DICK. Liz's problem is that she's a poor public speaker, but she should have realized this and ACTUALLY PREPARED. Her recruit status really, really showed big time. She literally thought there was no chance Steve would evict Vanessa, and she knew she'd lose to Vanessa, so she never entertained the possibility that she could, you know, WIN. Maybe she couldn't, but I think had she practiced her speech as much as Steve did (emphasized comp wins, played up how deciding to confirm the twin thing to her alliance while still playing it off to the rest of the house solidified her and Julia for the long haul, talked about how she had a major hand in saving Austin the week he was supposed to be backdoored - including singlehandedly winning that BoB - and actually won more for her alliance than anyone besides Vanessa, etc etc)... well, I think she would have had a fighting chance. Maybe not (I think the jury's dislike for Austin cost her votes too), but Steve's manic rambling was not super impressive and had he had an opponent who was able to clearly articulate strategy, well... I don't know. But rambling or not, he MADE POINTS. Liz's yammering sounded like an "I know I'm getting evicted" speech. "What a great summer! I love you all!!" Ugh. Steve did manage to get Vanessa to underestimate him big time, though. Even though it wasn't the result I was hoping for, I think for that he ultimately did deserve it over Liz (something that despite Liz's shitty F2 performance, I wasn't convinced of until I listed to aftershow interviews). Bummed V kicked ass all season and got third, but that's the nature of the beast... However, I'll NEVER be happy with the fact that (regardless of who I'm rooting for in any given season) the final HOH is LITERALLY a crapshoot. Someone else suggested have the answers be things the jurors said in DRs - that would way less manipulative on the part of production and actually MIGHT give the edge to the person who knew the HGs best. This way might as well be a coin flip. Props to Steve if he "did the math" and really did intentionally answer "A" to every question, though. Definitely a better season by far than the last two though. I'm amazed I didn't actively hate anyone in the F3. That never happens. And my victory was Austin's blindside. :)

Oh, I know. I wasn't joking! I actually think Liz deserves to win over Steve based on overall game (clueless as she is) but it's a tough call because they were both heavily influenced/protected by others. Steve doesn't get points from me for being a superfan. He was pretty inept most of the time and ALWAYS needed to be told what to do. Comp wins I think they're about even, though Steve may win points for winning the last HOH (if he doesn't he's gone so this comparison would be moot). I just feel like Liz was a bit more proactive than Steve was. And far less afraid. Obviously Vanessa will smoke them both, which is why she is in a win or go home situation. I hope she's truly aware of that, and doesn't think Steve is really going to take her. Although there is always the chance that he does keep her to avoid puking on live national television. Not really joking about that either.

I'm not sure Liz is aware of the rules of the game, still. She might think there's still a possibility she gets to choose. Also, I just read on Twitter that she just tried to put a baked potato wrapped in foil in the microwave and Vanessa had to stop her. Oh, Liz.

Steve and John.