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Jordan's a woman who doesn't do what Sonny says, when he says it. She should be on that hit list right now.

In both and Felicity is taking away Oliver's agency by making the decision for him. I don't want that because one of the reasons I like them together is because they make each other better, and this makes Felicity as a person worse for me; Oliver is always deciding for other people what it best for them -- not telling Thea the truth about himself or Roy or Slade or Malcolm, pushing Sara away, deciding he has to die to stop Slade, -- and they're almost always lead to bad consequences; superheros can't have other people decide for them what to do, they have to make their own superhero decisions, good or bad. If bad, they get to learn from them.

That's a good point, icandigit. They've got Katie Cassidy cast as Laurel Lance and she doesn't work as the warm-hearted crusader for the little people. (See her interactions with Felicity, Diggle, Sara, Dinah, Quentin ...). They've made enough changes from the comics that they could do that with Laurel too. Have her tough, bitchy, not someone whose shoulder you'd pick to cry on or go out for a drink with but someone who believes that she has a responsibility to write the wrongs the law and the mayor's office has done, either legally, or if that doesn't work, as a vigilante. Someone you can count on when the chips are gone to do whatever it takes.

Love it! Except..... don't give them any ideas.

Maybe Lyla will be spending too much time with the baby and Dig seeks consolation elsewhere? Do you mean the tweet that asked him "Is Oliver going to break Felicity's heart next season?" and he replied "What if she breaks mine?" I think that was just a generic "tune in and find out what happens" reply rather than spoiling or foreshadowing. Felicity is one of the most forgiving/accepting people on the show. She welcomed Sara with open arms (metaphorically), she was fine with Barry's lies, she was willing to give Moira a chance to come clean, and she's never condemned Oliver for anything after their first contretemps, even if she hasn't agreed with it. Not to mention she's spent two seasons first crushing on Oliver and then having deeper feelings for him. AK said about them "there is love there". At this point, I have a hard time imagining what Oliver could do to cause her to

There is, but less so than on other sites where you can just keep refreshing the page and voting over and over again, or put in a bot that will keep voting for you. Wasn't it even at the Tubies that you could vote once a day? Same here. I voted first so the other person was out of luck. If you really, really want to vote more than once, you could run from friend to friend asking to use their phones, (I think all computers at one lab would have the same IP address) but how many people would do it? That matters too in terms of the validity of the poll and while I can see some stans doing it, most people wouldn't. This seems to be about the most vigorously controlled poll I've seen on the internet. The other question is whether there is a difference between those who vote frequently and those who vote only once e.g. would over-voting come from one group of fans (e.g. those who like Felicity rather than those who like Laurel), or from both groups equally? If there isn't a difference, the poll is valid. You can't do a randomized poll because most people don't watch the show. It does because we don't know the percentage she got. Isabel got second place with 10 % of the vote, then Ivo so at most Felicity got 8% of the votes, and possibly less, She got 55% of the votes for favorite character, leaving 45% to be spread over the others. I like that best guest went to Caity Lotz over John Barrowman (who won it last year,didn't he?) and Grant Gustin. Too bad BoP was such a bad episode. I voted for BOP because by that time, it was no longer the Arrow show that I had fallen in love with. I'm glad the dual fight scenes got some love. I just with they had got the stunt Emmy. I wonder what the EPs will make of that. And that Oliver/Sara beat Oliver/Laurel in the Best Pairing competition.

Definitely it seem,speed would be training. But if Barry is being a smartass, why would he? It does seem like brain-washing to get Oliver under her complete control. Except I can't see even after Slade and Ivo that flashback! Oliver is brutal enough at this point to kill his best friend, and if he doesn't know it's Tommy that would backfire on Waller. I'd like to think that they wouldn't dumb down everyone else to prop Laurel but they did it last season, and the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

Oliver would have abandoned Sally like he abandoned everyone else important to him -- Moira in jail, Thea basically abandoned by everyone, Diggle and Felicity bought off. Felicity knew how important Sally and Oliver were to each other, and like a true friend, she reunited them without being jealous of their relationship. Will Diggle have to abandon Sally now that there is a baby on the way? Maybe Sally is the one to let Laurel know what we think of her. I can see her wanting something normal and quiet. I still have a hard time seeing Felicity ready to move on from Oliver. I'm hoping that the 'in' Ray has with her is through her IT and now administrative skills (thanks, Oliver!). It still bothers me that Oliver completely ignored her professional wishes when he made her his EA. I'd like to see him at least acknowledge the sacrifice she made, and preferably apologize for taking advantage of her when he pulled her out of her area and made her the butt of gossip.

I think if Oliver knows about his kid, he would have set up a trust fund, or hired someone to watch and make sure the kid is okay, even if Oliver thinks he himself should keep away. We haven't seen any indication of that, and at this point to say "oh, yeah, when he first got to Starling City he met with his lawyers and set up a trust fund for the kid" would have me throwing things at the TV. And since when Oliver first got back, he argued with Diggle that Moira was a trustworthy person before he found out about her involvement with Malcom Merlyn. Wouldn't he have confronted her if he knew the child wasn't dead, or at least not trusted her? Waller might know about the kid, although I doubt it since Oliver wouldn't have been on her intensive radar before Lian Yu, but I doubt Oliver does.

I tend to get into shows through a female character. I like men but I don't find male/male bonding as interesting as when there is a woman in the mix. I got into NCIS only after Ziva arrived (come to think of it, Catelyn seems a lot like Laurel) and wasn't really interested in the Boys Club when she left. (Why is it that on many shows, the male:female ratio is 1:3 or 1:4? Hawaii 5-0, Burn Notice, NCIS... now we're getting that in the Arrow lair with Oliver, Diggle, Roy and then Felicity. Fortunately that's balanced with Sara, Nyssa, Thea and Moira. Okay, and Laurel.) I think that because there aren't enough female characters on shows other than soap (nighttime as well as daytime), we expect a lot from the female characters we get. I remember a lot of female viewers hated Abby, and on House M.D., both Cuddy and Cameron came in for a lot of hate. Ironically, it seemed to me that younger viewers didn't like Cameron because she wasn't good enough and loved Cuddy, while older women with more work experience liked Cameron and not Cuddy. That makes me wonder if sometimes we expect too much from the female characters,, maybe because there are so few of them on TV. That's one of the things that is so good about Felicity, that she crossed those lines and is a general favourite beyond being one of a specific group of viewers. I like Sam, but we named our cat after Vala because she was very loathe to trust (rescue cat) and when she grabbed hold of something, she wouldn't let go. Claudia Black was aware of the dislike of Vala. At the Polaris fan convention a few years ago, she apologized for having been an uppopular character.

Interesting Waller sending Oliver to kill Tommy because she must have known they were best friends. Wow, that is cold. I'm kind of interested now to see how she turns Oliver into the soulless killer we saw in the pilot.

This episode is going to make me so sad that Tommy is dead. Damn you, EPs, you took the wrong person! (but not Felicity or Diggle) If they do that, I promise to never complain about Laurel again. On the other hand, I am ridiculously excited that Matt Ward is going to be Komodo. He plays an awful douche on Remedy but it's my other favourite show so I'm glad to see him on Arrow. If Thea has been skyping with Oliver and texting him that she's okay, I'm not surprised that he wasn't worried up to now. He's the guy who was on an island for five years, and later went back to lick his wounds after Tommy died. She's 19 and it's not unusual for young adults to spend months away from home travelling. He was probably glad she could get away and maybe recover after all the stuff with Slade and her parentage went down. But if he hasn't heard from her at all, that's different. It better not be Walter who is dead. Walter is one of the few sane people ever on this show. (Along with Diggle. Is that racist, because as much as I love Moira and Quentin, Walter and Diggle are more sane.) I wonder if they are going to try to fix her in the first part of the season, and then do her big stuff in the latter half to see if it worked.

Maybe this is what he's thinking, but as long as Robin is being forced to stay away from Patrick and acting so out of character in front of him, it justifies nothing, except what a douche Patrick is.

spoiler-tagged because the new season hasn't started yet. That is something that I would really like to see, Laurel navigating her place on the Team rather than accepting it by divine right. I think it would help me like Laurel more too. Unfortunately, I can't see Diggle making digs. The man is a gentleman and if she were having trouble adjusting, he would probably try to help her rather than snark at her. I'm putting my money on Roy is anyone. (Keeping in mind that they want us to love Laurel so no snarking in place of the audience.)

That does look like an arrow sticking out of body, and it looks like black arrow so quite possibly a message from Malcolm. Felicity looks in horror and fear as well as sadness, but how would they get a body to the lair? Speaking of Felicity, I like how her hair is down and flowing when she meets with Ray, unlike the ponytail she wears with Oliver. Stephen Amell isn't the only one who has trouble differentiating actor from character. I love how he refers to "the island repertory company". They probably don't know yet. If he is, it's going to be later in the season. Manu Bennett has said that he'll be on Arrow if he's available from other acting jobs (because he's not a regular on Arrow any more) so the EPs will have to find a way to work him in if they want him. Sssh! I wonder if they're keeping quiet on Laurel because it seems to be a backlash every time they talk about what Laurel will be doing, although it's strange since they talk about Thea, Malcolm and Roy and their identity crises. But there's no Quentin either so maybe it's just for time. I'm sure she'll be more prominent than I want. Good quality video on the "The Green Archer" site. (linked because I like that picture of the five of them, better than the s3 poster)

Ceylon5, never underestimate the sloppiness of the Arrow writers. (Good points from last July. )

I want Sara, Nyssa and Felicity to have Girls' Night Out up at the bar with Thea. Laurel can come if she behaves nicely to everyone. I want Lyla to be a presence in the lair (from time to time) like Diggle is. As an elder brother and sister, mentoring. I want Roy and later Thea to play pranks on everyone when they get too stuffy. I want Diggle to say to Oliver "See how I felt when you were being a pain?" I wanted Quentin/Felicity scenes but it doesn't make sense any now. Now that Laurel is on the Team, anything he does will be through her. This is also where the confluence of writing and acting messes up Laurel if they want us to believe she's a good-doer and cares about the little people. That's why she was working at CNRI, to help the people who don't have money or importance to be treated with dignity and equality. You can't say that you care about the little people and treat them like they're not there unless they're important to you. If you care aobut people, you care about all people, even the lowly IT girls who are setting up Oliver's router or his EA who screens his calls. It's true that in the writing, Laurel never talked to Felicity, only to Oliver as if Felicity wasn't there but that could have been fixed by acting on KC's part. Laurel was snarky to Thea too, but I think telling Oliver to fire Felicity so she could have her job because she didn't have a job at the time (which would mean that now Felicity, who had never done a thing to Laurel, would be the one without a job), is a whole different level. There needs to be an apology from Laurel to Felicity for that. Yes, she was drunk but intoxication is no defense when you do something wrong. Felicity can accept her because she's Oliver's friend and Sara's sister but I will think less of Felicity if she's more without Laurel showing some amends.

The fiance of a friend of mine was in divinity school and studying the Bible, and told us that when God made Eve to help Adam, in the original language it wasn't 'help' as in a servant but 'help' among equals, as the fellow general of an army. There was an original The Front Page movie and Hawks was doing a remake. The role was originally written for a man but he gets cheers for seeing that it could work for a woman too. I think weak women roles happens today more than it did in those earlier years. In the thirties and forties, there was a string of awesome women in movies. Ginger Rogers won her Oscar for Kitty Foyle, not for being Fred Astaire's dance partner. Bette Davis in Now, Voyager is the definition of inner strength, and Katherine Hepburn is many movies ruled the show. Joan Crawford in just about anything. (Granted, I'm not too fond of Olivia De Havilland's Maid Marian.) Later in the fifties and sixties, woman became 'the little woman' to the extent that when Lucille Ball finally hung up the ditsy red-head role, she became an executive at Paramount who green-lighted the original Star Trek. Back to Felicity ..... I was listening to one of the British interviews she and CH did, and the interviewer said that when she said she was going to interview them and asked on her FB page for questions, what she got was most people saying that Felicity is their favorite character on the show. I haven't done a survey but I think that's very unusual, for women to say that their favourite is a woman. I'm more used to favourites being the men, or if it's a woman, like Ziva on NCIS, equal numbers seem to love and to hate her. Maybe it's because Felicity is so relatable, maybe it's because of the way EBR plays her, I just thought that was an interesting thing.

That's exactly why (said the person reading over my shoulder). If you're only nice to someone because they're high status or can be important to you, you're a different kind of person than someone who is friendly to everyone, bus drivers, the lowly technician in the IT room, or the guy cleaning up the litter on the street. I see Felicity and Sara as being the latter. But hopefully it won't be too unbelievable on screen.

Laurel and Felicity had four scenes together. The first was in The Undertaking when Felicity interrupted Oliver giving Laurel relationship advice and Felicity called Laurel gorgeous and Laurel addressed all her remarks to Oliver. The second was at a party when Felicity figured out that the mysterious woman was following Laurel not Oliver ,and Laurel didn't talk to Felicity, again (what she thought is up to personal interpretation). The third time was the drunk scene when she suggested Oliver fire Felicity and give her (Laurel) her job (okay she was drunk but in vino veritas), and the last time was in the lair when Laurel asked Diggle and Felicity to leave so she could talk to Oliver alone. IIRC, at none of these times did she talk to Felicity directly. The first time Oliver introduced Sara to Diggle and Felicity, at the start of Heir to the Demon before they got into a relationship, Sara said nice things to both of them and made friends. Maybe it's the way KC plays her, maybe it's the lack of dialogue but while I hope Felicity and Laurel get along, I can't see them having lunch dates or even making jokes at Oliver's expense the way Felicity does with Diggle or Sara.

Sorry, I don't have the link for SA saying Oliver would come clean with Thea. I have the vague impression it was at the upfronts but my bad memory... Sara was nice to Felicity from the moment she entered the lair. She was the one who taught Felicity a better way to punch and sewed her up. They were two women against the guys. Laurel's been at best tolerant of Felicity and she strikes me as as a woman who makes friends with men rather than with women, Joanna notwithstanding. It's not because two women who have been in a relationship with the same guy can't be friends, it's because of who Laurel and Felicity are as characters. I can see them being co-workers, but not taking a bottle of wine over to each other's houses and confessing secrets, whereas I could easily have seen that with Felicity and Sara. If Oliver gets hurt and they both worry, I can see a complex episode as they each try to deal with how the other one fits into Oliver's life, but I'd rather see that in fanfic than leave it to these writers. It really does feel like "Felicity likes Laurel so you should too."

I don't know which episode. I just remember he said that. before SDCC I think. When you put it like that, it's almost as icky as sister-swapping.

SA said that there is a scene where Oliver tells Thea everything so presumably it's not too far in the season.

Maybe the because of the life I lead' excuse is not really about Oliver protecting the other person, but Oliver protecting himself from getting caught up and caring about someone else too much.

The juxtaposition of CH talking about what is going to happen when it comes to light that Roy killed two cops with Laurel 'using her smarts' to find out even more information does make it sounds like Laurel will be the one digging that bit up. I can't see either Diggle, Oliver or Felicity wanting to bring it to Roy's attention.