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These Spoilers Suck: Bitter Speculation About SPN Spoilers
Castiels Cat replied to catrox14's topic in Supernatural
I think we will see her. She is stronger than Chuck. She cares about this world. She needs to take charge. -
The first time the brothers messed with the natural order was FAITH. Dean should have died but they found a way. And John was dead until Mary made a deal. Based on connected the dots of what Death has said and the emphasis on the books she seems concerned with more recent events. My guess is that Death herself intervened because she needed Sam or both Winchesters and she planned to undo her save once Chuck was eliminated. Death has been keeping Adam alive because she needed him.
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That doesn't make sense in my opinion. In AT she specifically tells Dean that going to an AU is problematic. She has a special talk with him to stop him from doing it. She wants to undo whatever ripples happened because of that. If this is not the issue then she deliberately has allowed a resurrection because she needed them to fix their mess. Once their ness is fixed she plans to out everything back the way it should be including them. Since she first spoke to Dean in a 13, AT... That episode is key. Since she mentioned the AU. That is key. Dean dies in AT. Sam dies in the vampire caves. Both were miraculously resurrected. If that was Death pulling strings because she knew she needed them and she plans to put everything back as if they were dead all this time... This could be what Sam was referencing. Of course if Dean died in that house Sam never made it go those caves. He died in that house too. It's tied to the death book-library storyline which started in AT with her convo with Dean. And she told him in the previous episode to get his house in order. This is what you say to someone who does not have long to live.
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I hate self righteous Sam. Look... Dean being angry... he can be that way. His mom dies horribly at the hand of someone he considered family. The family he has.. well it has always kind of sucked. Now he finds out that everything he has suffered, everything he has sacrificed to make the world better for others was just entertainment for Chuck. The dude can be angry. He wants to kill Chuck. Dean is pivotal to both Chuck and Amara. I expect a mirror of s 11 in which he calmed her anger when she wanted to kill Chuck. Dean is front and center in this bad writing and all. Chuck as the big bad isn't the problem... the problem is that he's killing the show and the characters with bad writing. The problem is Andeew Badd and the Dabbling Hacks.
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I think he meant the AU people. And Eileen.
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I thought it might mean that he died in an alternate universe and that meant something and/or he died after Advanced Thanatology and by then Billie knew the future and knew she needed them so she herself made provisions to keep them alive in order to stop Chuck. Once her plans are done she is setting everything right.For all we know dean is also a dead man walking from his head injury from the gorgon or from the MoL poison. I think the AU in particular is her sticking point as is most everything revolving around the Winchesters who have had preferential treatment in regards to resurrections.
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I suspected something when we started getting extremely soapy... Cas saying "Dean we need to talk" and the BMOs got super trophy. Plus that motw Saw mash-up was so very bad with the lesson... you were always saving people and not thinking about your family.???!!! OMG. This episode everything was so over the top heaVy handed... but I agree... make the sacrifice and save the world. If it were Sam Dean would be finding the other way all season but it isn't. The Jack ship sailed when he killed Mary. It is typical Sam to think of himself and his needs.... however.... I think the line you missed is that Sam said he will be reset and gone too. Was Sam just throwing that in or dies Sam know that Death's reset means he is gone too. The Enpty said the only reason that you are still here is that you are needed. Or something like that... Is Sam only alive because Death knew she needed him? Is the ending Dean alone because they are successful. Absolutely no surprises that Death wants to restore order.
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In the bar scene Death tells Dean to get his house in order... that can be to get things straightened out however depending on the context it means put your affairs in order because you do6have much time left to live. Considering that Death says it to Dean and she is well aware of his Death books I consider that a heads up the he is not going to make it. It's a key turn of phrase that didn't otherwise need saying. Did she keep him alive because she needed him too? The Empty said Sam was alive because Death need him. Have the Winchesters been living on borrowed time and since when...
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These Spoilers Suck: Bitter Speculation About SPN Spoilers
Castiels Cat replied to catrox14's topic in Supernatural
The only handprint I know is the one Dean used to have where Cas gripped him tight and raised him out of perdition. -
These Spoilers Suck: Bitter Speculation About SPN Spoilers
Castiels Cat replied to catrox14's topic in Supernatural
I definitely think Amara is the key to defeating Chuck and Dean is key. He has the connection to her and Chuck pervs on him. She clearly is stronger than him. She simply has to want to do it. Dean willbe the reason. Tou hit the nail on the head. Personally I don't think she gave up in that moment either. She sees Chuck for exactly what he is and was absorbed to by time in that moment. She was blindsided by Dean's betrayal.. which I also think she will understand. -
I think Dean was supposed to kill Sam and he didn't... it was supposed to play out until it faIled so Chuck could enjoy Dean's pain.
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Dean loved Jack like a son until he killed Mary... end of story... He could not butcher Jack however that father son family bond if not broken completely is pretty far gone at the moment. And this is surprisingly canonical for these hacks to do... Mary's death was the starting point for the show and everything about Dean evolved from that horrible moment. To relive it again because of someone he nurtured and loved and trusted must be killing him. Frankly it shocks me that he forgave Cas. Eugenie stated at CC that their audience was the Riverdale crowd so yes. The idiot hacks deliberately screwed the pooch and dropped their numbers with bad writing and bad assumptions.
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I love how succinctly you put this. I am really hoping that her tears were for Chuck and not because of Dean's betrayal. I think she understands the power of Chuck's manipulative power better than most. I hope that she played him and plans to control him from within. Perhaps she will transform into the goddess the world needs absorbing Chuck totally.
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Amara's story has been feminist all along which is why it never played out like a traditional big bad storyline. I Always found her to be sympathetic and last night was heartbreaking.
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Our brains work very much alike. The Empty said that Sam was only still alive because she needed him. And Sam said that he would be lost in the reset... as well as Apocalypse people.I think the reset involves his resurrection there. It doesn't count here maybe or death assisted. I agree about Amara. Her tears were because she had decided to help the Winchesters and she was crying for her brother. She said it would cause her great pain to imprison him. My guess is that she will imprison him and/or them. She's obviously the stronger one.
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I was wondering if it was written by Chuck when it started to swerve into high soap territory all of a sudden. I never thought that this Jack saves the world plot was really it however the way they choose to end it ... talk about going out with a whimper. Poor Amara. She is stronger than him. I hope she joined him to take over. She's already shown that she deserves the job. Dean was absolutely OoC. I guess Chuck finally found the right carrot.No more hamster wheel. I didn't understand why Death in charge was so bad or why that was a revelation. I mean... Duh.Death has always been upfront about her expectations and the natural order. What was the line about Sam shoukd be dead and Death was only keeping him around because she needed him? Obviously the it means something because Sam references it.
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Villains can be entertaining however that doesn't make them friends or good. Chuck's behavior never seemed good nor was his help easily given. The overwhelming majority of his Angels are psychopathic with the one's with firsthand experience showing the most signs of derangement and/or abuse for the most part. People have carried their Christian concepts with them and projected these onto the character.
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I agree. There should have been a redemption arc for Dean however they unfortunately decided that they were writing for the Riverdale crowd.
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Dean was wrong to force a teenaged girl at gunpoint to open that rift. Death tried to talk him out of it. It was a big mistake. I am a Deangirl and I think he made big mistakes in s 13. It was his season to fall because of his ingrained need to save his family.
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Because of the magic plot armour that was Ouroboros.
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Getting one's house in order is literally what one armed with foreknowledge says to someone else who they know is going to die. Ie... a doctor delivering terminal news to patient who has months to live and no hope tells them to get their house in order. I took it as a directive and a heads up to him specifically to say his good-byes and to make peace while he still can. Didn't she know because of Dean's books which is why they had the conversation toght there in front of them.
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Well then she knows from the Books. She can look at the Books and see the futures of anyone. She sees the info there. Or she knows that all the other Death's are gone.
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These Spoilers Suck: Bitter Speculation About SPN Spoilers
Castiels Cat replied to catrox14's topic in Supernatural
Why are they all of Jack