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And the sad part is that Jenny could have EASILY done what Hawley has done up to this point, well, except be blond, bearded and the haver of a penis. The relationships they have with Crane are pretty much the same (Jenny antagonizes Crane just as well). I find it rather insulting to the character of Jenny and to the Abbie and Jenny relationship that exploring them through the lens of a man is of more interest than just their familial bond. Oh well, disappointment had to set in sometime.

Oh, I completely missed that as I thought the "Shard of Hellfire" was referring to Mary. I truly thought Moloch said something about "her" dying. Oh well.

I swear I hear my Mother every time Todd speaks. Some of his little "proverbs" I've heard my entire life.

Meh episode other than the realization by Crane that his dear , sweet Katrina is a lying, scheming piece of crap. Still don't like Hawley and still think he looks gross. He does nothing that Jenny couldn't do, well, I guess he has a penis so there's that. I haven't been drawn in by these episodes as I was last season, it might be because the "new show" smell has worn off, but I think it really is the storytelling is suffering from trying to make Crane and his family more central than they really need to be to do the story justice.

I was hoping for Wes Brown.

Becoming? I watched the credits and [finally] paid attention to them and its all Crane, Katrina and Headless. Sure the other folks have their title cards, but that's it. Tells me all I need to know.

Best synopsis of this show, EVER!

What does Ichabod have to do with my finding Nick gross? I find Nick gross because I find Nick gross.

This show is becoming boring which for me is a fatal flaw.

I hope this Nick isn't a love interest for Abbie. He looks gross, all dirty and grimy.

Enjoyed episode 2 just as much as the pilot, however, I find the "team" way too deus ex machina for my liking so early in the show. They can whip up suits, treadmills, and protein bars in just an evening or two. Just the three of them. Iris is still my favorite.

This was fun. The Nod is so true.

Hahahahaha! TPTB are hilarious. Guess they didn't spoil the whole episode.

Liked it so much better than Arrow. Here the characters are likeable and this show feels like a show based upon a comic. Also Barry isn't a murderer like Oliver. Hopefully there will be very, very little Felicity as I can't stand her. Eta: yay for Iris! About time the CW acknowledged 1) Black women exist and 2) are desirable.

See, this is where these apocalypse shows begin to lose me. This one is based on the Book of Revelation as stated explicitly in the show. Well, what are they trying to stop it for? It's supposed to happen. It'g going to happen (for those who believe). For Christians, they want it to happen. So, Icy and Abbie are kind of getting in the way. Now maybe somewhere along they line they mentioned that this isn't the "right" one, so they need to stop this one and then the correct End of Days will happen, but I don't remember.

Glad the thread title was changed.

A bitch? Really?

I laughed and laughed. Like, what did you think Idiot? You are no different than the countless other mistresses in the world that the husband never leaves his wife for. Hell, he had already stated that he didn't want his marriage to end. I guess she thought "now is my chance!!" Idiot!! Now, don't get me wrong, I'm down with the likes of Livvie and Fitz, but Eph and Nora sure ain't no Livvie and Fitz.

If I may: "But what some people don't understand is that by talking about hating [Laurel], you're still giving [Laurel] attention. At the end of the day, when they spend more time talking about how much they hate [Laurel], and not how much they love [O/F], they're just promoting [Laurel] more." See, it works both ways. Not trying to start a fight as I really don't care who gets rewarded with the douche's penis (and I can't stand Felicity on her own and both Laurel and Sarah have issues) but it really does work both ways. Talking about "the others" doesn't make your group any more right. Plus, it is so tiresome at this point.

I'm sure getting the streets of New York vibe is all important, but can they at least tell them to react to the hearing of "gun shots" right in front of them? Can people run, get out of their cars or ...anything? The stupid it burns! Medical chick looked like she wanted to hump Eph in the room in front of everybody. Well, at least the vamps are taking out folks and now Tats has a connection to the story and will somehow make his way onto the team. ETA: Maybe I should say the fake New York vibe.

I'm done. The woman I have loved and thought of all this time and have just now found again was shot and died in my arms just a few minutes ago, oh and and we're under siege, wanna fuck? Ugh! How the hell did these men have time to become musketeers? Oh well, doesn't matter to me now. The pretty boys can't overcome the stupid.

It should have been. That show is an embarrassment, especially since its now 100% whiter. But then again, this show is rather embarrassing in its own right.

So almost all of the women (3 out of 4) swing both ways, but not one man? Riiiiiiiiight.

I'm out. Loved the first series but it has steadily gone down hill with his intentional need to be bigger, louder, more obnoxious.

It's official, I can't stand Constance. This cow is screwing a dude living under her husband's roof (or at least place of business) and then she takes it so far to lay the lips on him on the street? The husband should have had her dumb ass flogged. I know the show wants me to root for teen heart throb D'Art and his older chick, but I can't...no, I won't do it. The show probably wants me to think the husband is a big ole meanie by not understanding the lurve between those star crossed idiots, but nope! I was cheering when dude made the threat. Good for him. Can we just stop completely with the romance and psuedo-romantic storylines or do the IIC think that women won't watch unless there is some dude swooning over some chick? I mean damn!