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The thing with that is sometimes just the tone of your voice changes what you are saying. Something like "Why do they get to go and not me?" can sound whiny, arrogant, bitchy or just a simple question depending on how it's delivered. I don't know if it's in the script or it's just Cassidy, but the tone of Laurel's voice comes across more bitchy and arrogant than nice and respectful.

From what they've shown us of the Lance family, it's no wonder Sara has such an inferiority complex. She never thinks she's good enough. She can run into a burning building to save a child and her father will cheer on Laurel for standing on the street with the girls family. Of course I also got the feeling that Laurel was always competing with Sara to be the favorite child while Sara wasn't even playing. But by doing that the parents started worrying more about their younger daughter and paying less attention to Laurel.

Who said anything about a lead character having to be bubbly and funny? Their personality could be dark and depressing, bubbly and funny or just being general badass. That doesn't matter, what matters is their importance to the show as whole. They shouldn't be missing multiple episodes and not be missed. Felicity is not the lead female, but it feels like she is or should be. Sara was billed as guest character all season. Laurel is billed as the lead female. Her name is right after Stephen's. But as others and I have said, we can delete Laurel's scenes and it would not have done anything to the narrative. Which should never be the case of one of your leads.

The writers write for Laurel so it is Laurel. I did say what she said to Sara is uplifting, but doesn't mean much since she doesn't the know the real reason Sara is upset. So her words have empty meaning behind it. Felicity's speech to Oliver meant more because she knows the man he was in the past and she knows the man he is now. A lot of Laurel's lines can be said differently to make the scene better but that's not how they choose to go. So that is Laurel character we are being presented with. And most of the time she comes across as very unlikable or completely unnecessary. They said they were going to fix her this season and imo they haven't. The producers, writers and executives are aware Laurel's not liked, so it's more then just a few disgruntled internet fans. It was enough for them to notice and acknowledge. But obviously not understand the reason she's not well liked. The biggest issue for me is I don't like Laurel and I don't want her replacing the characters I do like which seems to be what they plan on doing. Sara dying so she can become BC makes very little sense and is not something I want to see. So for that I can't bring myself to enjoy a character that is going to force another character out. So yes, it is the writers fault for thinking that bringing in Sara, making her an awesome female character just to be a place holder for a character that is not well liked was a dumb move on their part. I can't see Laurel and Lois as the same because Laurel was the one there from the beginning. Lois came in the third or fourth season I forgot which one. So she was the new character, much like Sara. She was the one that had to work their way into the established cast and audience. Laurel is more the Lana, the character we're supposed to like but don't because the way they write the character.

Laurel doesn't know the things she's done though. She just found that Sara runs around town fighting crime in a costume like 2 weeks ago. That's why I felt that Laurel's speech while uplifting to hear doesn't mean much since she knows nothing about what Sara's actually going through. All she knows is Sara has a bunch of scars (which means that all this time Sara's been back she never bothered to ask her about what happened) and that she's a vigilante. She doesn't know about Sara helping torture men with a mad scientist, that Sara was willing to strap a bomb to man so he can blow up another man and the biggest thing she has no clue that Sara was a killer for hire. Sara was depressed about being a killer. Since Laurel does not have that important information of course she's going to tell Sara she's a good person. So having someone that doesn't know that say nice things isn't going to mean much.

I don't think there are any spoilers about it, it's all speculation. My thing is if they still plan on giving Sara's alter ego to Laurel then I'd rather they do it now. I can't watch another season with Sara only to have her die at the end of that one. Also if they do kill her she better go out like a hero, like being the one to kill Slade or stop a bunch of the Mirikuru soldiers. No dying to save Laurel.

Marvel does have a few tv shows in the works besides Agents of Shield. They greenlit Agent Carter about Captain America's former girlfriend, Then I think Netflix has Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Iron Fist and Luke Cage. All of those shows will co-exist with the cinematic universe.

Why would she not think that? Everything is about her. Then she didn't even acknowledge them after that. She only told Oliver to save the city. Sara acknowledged Team Arrow as whole. She even told them that they made quite a team and she was happy Oliver had them in his life. When Oliver needed help she rallied up the team of Felicity, Diggle and Roy to help her. She never questioned that they couldn't do it.

That's exactly it, Laurel doesn't know a thing about Sara. Ta-Er al-Asfer (however it's spelled) is Sara's assassin name. That's the name she used to kill people. So yes, Laurel, Sara can take a beautiful name do horrible things with it. To take a line from a far superior show. "You know nothing Laurel Lance"

I doubt Felicity's dying. The show wouldn't be stupid enough to get rid of EBR. EBR tweeted to Colton about seeing him next season. That sounds like confirmation she's in season 3 to me.

I loved that scene of Nyssa picking up Isabel, removing her silly looking helmet so Sara can deliver the killing blow. I'm guessing that's going to show how well Sara and Nyssa worked as assassin partners. But what I really love is that other LOA guy just standing in the background just watching them.

Laurel's hated because she's a useless character. If you removed her scenes nothing would be missing from the narrative and the show would actually be better. The few episodes she wasn't in, she wasn't missed at all.

Just because you break up someone doesn't mean you suddenly stop loving them. What Slade knows is that Oliver choose Sara over his girlfriend Laurel and Oliver choose Sara over his girlfriend Shado. That looks like Oliver always chooses Sara. So that's who Slade should choose.

I think Thea makes the most sense as the one Oliver loves the most, she's his family. While friends and lovers are close to you, it's your family that's been there the whole time. Plus she's the one most innocent in all of this. Losing his entire family would destroy Oliver, they were the ones he was trying to get back too. As for Laurel, Oliver did carry around her picture on the island but he told Slade he cheated on her with Sara. Then Slade meets Sara and Oliver chooses to save her over Shado, then he sees them together in the present. To most Sara would look like one Oliver always chooses. That's why I'm hoping the final battle is just Arrow, Canary and Deathstroke in Starling City juxtaposed with Oliver, Sara and Slade on the Amazo. With a different outcome instead of Sara "dying" it's Slade. Because the heroes really need a win to make this depressing season worth it. We don't need another season of dark depressed Oliver, they need to start working in Green Arrow and Black Canary's humor from the comics.

What's funny is that's how I viewed Laurel last season as well. She was whatever Laurel they needed for the plot. She wasn't a fully fleshed out character in season 1 and she's even less of one now. Which I really didn't think was possible.

Well all she has to do is take the outfit off her sister's corpse, put it on and everyone will think she did all those heroic things. So she gets to be an instant super hero!

That would still make me stop watching the show. I don't want Laurel given magical super powers just so they can make her special or needed. The most important thing they needed to do was make her likable and they have failed miserably. I also want Mirakuru gone and never talked about again. I hate that storyline, so giving it to Laurel will not make me like her or her storyline. I want Laurel gone, she doesn't have to die just go to Europe or somewhere far away and is never heard from again. That would make me happy and I would continue watching the show. I'm pretty much out after the finale if Laurel is still around.

I wish that was the case but I don't think Cassidy would be excited about getting fired from her job. So the chances of that are slim to none. Sara has a much better chance of dying in the finale.

I know people will say the internet fans don't make up the majority but if the dislike of Laurel has gotten all the way to the producers it's enough people for them to notice it.

The Black Canary is no ones side kick. But that is what she will be if Laurel becomes her. Laurel has, what classroom self defense skills? According to the comics Quentin taught both his daughters at the same time. So Laurel has the same skills as Island Sara. Who by the way was intelligent enough to know she was nowhere near skilled enough to take on trained men, so she used her brain to talk her way out of situations. Laurel on the other hand gets in a surprise punch or kick because most probably think no one is stupid enough to do that if they don't have the training. So she immediately gets damseled like an untrained person would. Also unlike Oliver and Sara, Laurel was not facing life or death for years learning the skills to survive in real world situations. So that puts them years ahead of whatever minimal training Laurel received. Plus they said self defense not martial arts, self defense teaches you how to defend yourself against an attacker so you can get away, not how to fight in a combat situation. Right now we have a BC who is equal to Oliver while also having skills he does not. Why would we or Oliver want a lesser version of the same character? They've already shown us that the original Canary is so much better. What we'll be stuck with is a lesser copycat version. Good luck with that show.

I don't think they would've gotten picked up if there was no Bruce Wayne, even the little one. But I do hope the series focuses more on Gordan and his occasional interaction with young Bruce. Just to show him looking out for him and building up to their eventual friendship as adults. I don't think they need young versions of all the characters and I certainly don't want to see any love triangles between teen Selina and teen Bruce and whomever else they bring in. At that point they should be like Arrow, having a young Selina be an Easter Egg one-off appearance would've worked for me. Gordon arrests a teenage cat burglar and tries to help set her straight but at the end she goes right back to it. Then we don't see her again. I will be checking Gotham out because I'm pretty much done with Arrow. If the acting, the characters and the story are good it might change my mind about it. So I'll give it a chance first.

Sara probably noticed that Sally was feeling neglected since Oliver never notices anything unless it directly involves him.

Quentin questioned Laurel's decision to move in with Oliver. I think he called him a stupid frat boy and asked her if she was sure about him. So I think he had an issue with Oliver but was letting Laurel make her own decisions because Laurel was supposed to be the smart one.

The audience would know that Dinah wasn't dead, but Oliver would and character wise that's what would matter. His guilt would've still haunted him. They could've even had her meet up with him on the island a year later just like Sara did so we'd be getting to know Dinah while seeing Oliver's relationship with her sister. He still could've lied and said she died on the Gambit causing drama between him, the other sister and Quentin when she returned alive. The Lance's could've just hated Oliver and blamed him for Dinah's grades dropping and her causing trouble with him. And if they wanted playboy Oliver, Dinah could've been the other woman when Oliver was involved with some other girl not related to her. That would've made a much better story.

No, Sara didn't exist in the comics. Dinah also never went by just Laurel, they gave her the middle name to differentiate between mother and daughter. So if they wanted the Black Canary she should've been named Dinah.