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Good grief, how is it possible Jensen keeps looking younger? I think the reason he and the fam keep moving from house to house is that they're always looking for a bigger better closet for that Faustian portrait. The man has made a deal! Cute photo.

LOL!!!!! Okay, that was probably the best Cameo I've seen yet!

This isn't exactly the first time Jensen has liked a CW post. He has liked posts that featured his character before - and I really think that's all it comes down to. Jensen is a Dean girl! He also often likes strictly promotional posts. Essentially if he's online at the time the post pops up on his timeline and it deals with Dean or show promotion, he likes it.

Yeah, and it was one of the most on-the-nose commentaries about the US and other countries turning away refugees. Every time Heyerdahl shows up anywhere, my husband and I always say "It's the Swede!", his character from the show "Hell on Wheels".

Well, I never said he was a good Big Bad - 'cuz he ain't. LOL! But on paper and for the sake of whatever the hell the showrunner's intentions are, Chuckles is considered the Big Bad. Like my husband said, it's stupid. Metatron was WAY better than Chuckles! And his motivation was clearer, being that Chuckles broke his heart. And it's somewhat in line with the other angels who wanted the Apocalypse, and what AU!Michael said about the same - they were all just trying to get God's attention. Honestly, they shouldn't have cared or bothered. We're at the end here and I have no idea what Chuck's real issues are. He's suddenly just a garden variety sociopath, for no apparent reason.

I think that's the biggest problem they're dealing with - the fact that everyone who doesn't watch the CW regularly don't know it came back or was even supposed to. Plus weren't the ratings in the toilet even before the COVID break? This is not a good season, interested has plummeted. OTOH, it doesn't actually matter for the CW - all the money from shows like Supernatural is made from streaming now.

This is why we can't have nice things. Well, she's in for a schooling when it comes to working for Kripke - a much different environment and showrunner. He's very Sorkin'ish in his need to micromanage the story he wants to tell. And there will be an actual writers room that anything she writes is going to have to go through before final approval.

Since my post from last night is missing, I'll try and reconstruct a couple of my points. But I think this is a good place to start over, because I like everything you said here; and when it comes down to it, regardless of what the writer and showrunner want me to feel, I can honestly say nothing - literally nothing - Dean said or felt was anything I disagreed with. Well, except for your point about thanking Jackie Sue - that pissed me off too. Other than that, Dean has never seen Jack as anything but a problem since he was hatched. And since Jackie Sue IS still and always will be the murderer of Dean's mother - heinous as she was - I do like that Dean has held onto that ember of anger, much as he tried very hard to live with it and get over it for everyone else's sake, because Dean wouldn't be human if he didn't. And since Dean is the most human character on the show. IMO it's completely in character for him to point out that Jack is not family in his opinion. Good for you, Dean - I fist-pumped that moment. As almost everyone has pointed out, a reset sounds like a damn good plan to me! Because it is. Team Billie! The only reason Sam doesn't want it is because his girlfriend would go back to being dead. He sounds like a high school kid when his parents lose their jobs and they have to relocate to get new ones to keep him fed and clothed. You understand why a child would be distraught about something very personal to him that seems inconsequential to the family in the larger scheme of things, but it's not a good look coming from an almost 40-something-year-old man. My husband walked past the tv when Chuck was on screen - he stopped watching years ago. I pointed out he was the Big Bad. He said, "That dweeb? Looks stupid." Yeah, he's right. Actually, he's more than a dweeb - Chuckles is a straight up OTT cartoon villain. He should have a thought bubble coming out of his mouth whenever he's on screen. BabySpinach and ukgirl71 made excellent points about Amara's extremely misogynistic ending, which IMO is made so worse when it comes from a female writer. Amara is not this pathetic, she is not this weak, she should not be that easily manipulated by "that dweeb". Disgusting. And as I said last night, finding the key to Billie's library in some old box the guys simply never got around to opening before now is as anticlimactic as realizing everything Crowley went through to find Purgatory was mind-numbingly stupid since the door was right down the hall from his own silly dungeon in Hell. Oh, and I remember being happy to see Rachel Miner again. I don't even really care what role she plays on the show, it's just nice to see her show up. No twists, no surprises, more bad writing. Like I said last week, it just makes me sad.

Yeah, unfortunately with that horrible end for Amara in this episode, losing essentially all her agency to her brother (gag me), that remark about Sam being possessed by Amara now makes perfect sense. Well, it doesn't make any sense, but it's clear the set up was there for her smoke out of Chuckles and into someone else. And since she hates Dean now, Princess Samantha Sue is the likely candidate. There is definitely no question anymore as to why Jensen disliked the finale the way the whole thing is spiraling down the drain.

My thoughts exactly. Me too! And again, yes, a reset sounds like a real plan! Clearly I'm not that 30% or less of the audience that Drabb et.al. claim to care about or are writing for.

Die, don't die Princess Jackie Poo Sue. Like Chuckles said, I'm over it. Can't pay me enough money to care. The character is such a black void - which is ironic given the circumstances. Otherwise, what is the story, really - aside from hating on Dean? Frankly a reset is exactly what this show needs - reset to a time before it became Drabbernatural. Zero surprises, zero plot twists. Oh, and apparently getting into Billie's library is even more anticlimactic than finding out all Crowley had to do was open a back door down the hall from Hell's dungeon to find Purgatory. D'oh! This show really is going to need a six-episode fix-it like whoa. Seeing Rachel Miner again was the one bright spot.

Jamie was awesome. And I believe I recall reading somewhere, years ago, where Jensen really liked her too for Dean. The second time we saw Donna, I was convinced she was the girl for Dean. I would have been very happy if the show had gone in this direction. Unfortunately it seems pretty obvious that Dean isn't going to end up with a relationship - especially since he's probably going to be dead. Dean/Donna is a real missed opportunity. Even Brianna said she thought Donna should hook up with Dean.

Fantastic interview - thanks for posting this! I really do like Emily - saw her at the very last convention I attended. She was a delight - and gorgeous!

Jensen and the fans have always known Dean better than anyone who ever wrote for him. Jensen is why the character got away from Kripke in the first place and became more popular than he expected and someone far more layered than Kripke conceived of originally. If I'm remembering correctly - and things get buried on twitter quickly - I believe a fan responded to this tweet with a defense of Dean, and Danneel liked the defense response. I think that may tell you what they think of stupid comments like this.

I think that trait has gone a long way to making Dean the very popular character he's always been. Viewers like characters that can bring a light and humor into the gloom and doom. And yes, we all need that in our real lives more desperately than ever. I will miss Dean Winchester so much. I'm so disappointed that this season hasn't been worthy of him or any of the characters. He deserved better, they deserved better, we all deserved better. But poor writing and story telling doesn't diminish my love and appreciation for Dean!

There have been so many skype/zoom meetings in the last month, I can't recall which was what anymore. It might have been the Rosenbaum podcast, but again, they're all blurring together. I actually took notice of it because it was a more concrete idea than I expected to hear - specifically "6 episodes" on a "streaming" platform. He put a little more thought into it than the usual hand-waved, 'sure, we'll get together sometime and do something,' answer. After the Ackles' production deal came to light, it made a little more sense. The streaming platform he's thinking of would be HBOMax (Warner Brothers), and it may have even been part of the deal pitch. I'm not saying it will really happen - it depends on where the guys' careers take them after this. Personally I hope Jensen is simply too busy to put it together. OTOH, if he and Jared do decide in two or three years that it's something they want to do, this time Jensen will have control if it's done under the umbrella of his production company.

The one upside to the Duo is that they don't actually hate the two leads, never have, don't have any reason to. Doesn't mean they can write them well, but they do surprise us at times - like the episode before the COVID hiatus. I think that was theirs (seriously I can't recall the titles anymore), and it was pretty good for this season. Low ass bar, admittedly, but still better than most of the season. So you could be right - obviously we'll know soon enough. Berens' episode is going to be a complete shitshow for Dean, that's a given. Dean fans should probably go into it having already finished a day-long drinking game before the "previously" starts. At this point I think it's good to remind everyone that after they announced the show was ending, Jensen came right out and said he wanted Kripke and some of the other original writers - or ANY writers from the past - to come back and write some scripts. Obviously that wasn't going to happen for a number of reasons, contracts being the main sticking point. But you know Jensen didn't say that out of nostalgia - he desperately wanted the final season to go out on a high, and he knew fully well, better than anyone, that this current crop of producers couldn't and wouldn't deliver. And he was right. Of course, his just saying that very likely only pissed off Drabb et. al. even more. And now we are where we are - and Jensen is floating the idea of a 6-episode fix-it. I'm just saying.

I have to agree - in fact, I thought the 70's style motel room sets were hands down the best part of the episode. Takes me back to the good ol' pre-bunker days of motel hopping. I miss those days, so it was a welcome change of pace to see the effort put into recreating those sets again, one last time.

I mean, come on. It's bad enough when the writers have to rinse off and repurpose any cool scene Dean has had the entire series for Sam and other characters - which BTW are made good and cool because it's DEAN and JENSEN performing them! But when your pettiness requires you to even reach outside of the show for something Jensen did that has nothing to do with the show or Jared and repurpose that, you're pathetic. Just go away already. For the most part this just made me sad because it should have been spooky and heartwarming, but the writing was so childish and paint-by-numbers that it was neither of those things. We've seen and done all this before in much better scripts and much better seasons. I'm becoming increasingly depressed by how bad everything is - writing, wardrobe (seriously, who were those stylin' Winchester tweens?), lighting, cinematography, direction. This is not the way an iconic 15 year show should be limping out. Makes me want to cry. The kids were okay - young Dean was probably the best of the bunch, but that's not saying a lot. I guess young Caitlin was okay too. I am surprised this writer allowed Dean the kill; but I guess since she was setting him up to have to deal with giant man-baby Sam in the Impala at the end, it was the absolute least she could do. And the least she could do is all she did. Must be super easy to get a WGA card these days. I want at least to be happy that it was an episode sans Asstiel and Princess Jackie Poo Sue - but unfortunately their presence on the phone and the constant chatter about the Princess's upcoming WTFever is always in your face. It's always about the Princess even when the Princess isn't on screen. Sad, bad, MAD! The best acted scene was, of course, the one between Billie and Dean. But even that didn't carry the weight it should have. As for Billie's oversized coat, I don't know when this particular episode was shot - I know it was earlier in 2020. But Lisa Berry was pregnant this year, so I'm assuming that required the wardrobe change.

No, there's no point, and Jensen is not really the make waves guy, as much as it might have benefited him and his fans over the seasons. Jensen is never going to trash the show. He loved where he worked for 15-1/2 years, all things considered, it means a lot to him and helped make his career. Plus he has a really good reputation in this business that he wants/needs to maintain going forward. That being said ... he's also learned to master the art of the subtle shade over the years. I have to be honest and admit I was very surprised when he brought up his misgivings again in this particular zoom session with the two showrunners in attendance. Like he said, everyone knows he wasn't on board in the beginning - so since everyone knows that, why bring it up again with Drabb and Singer there, eh? Why not simply launch into the party line? I think it was a little shady. 😎

Mostly what I got from it was the mod was an idiot, Jensen's living room is pretty, Jensen is pretty. As for all your points, yeah. I think Jensen's feelings about the finale evolved to the point where he was just glad it was over. He was ready to move on. Honestly, they all seemed ready to move on - except for Misha who was very sad, and I felt bad for him. 😢

I went back and watched just the parts with Dean, Sam, and Amara again before I deleted the episode; and except for the weak writing, there was a nugget of decent story telling there. And of course, the powerful acting between Jensen and Emily was top notch. Just think how much better it would have been with simple good writing and no retconning. I mean, Amara never said anything about teaching or showing Dean something when she left with Chuck, am I right? At the time bringing Mary back was simply a gift Amara thought Dean would want, regardless of how horrible a gift it ended up being. Bottom line, the decent parts were wasted and buried in a boring hunt that had nothing to do with nothing. The only thing that stands out about it for me, if I'm recalling correctly (didn't go back to watch it), was how suddenly Asstiel's powers appeared to be fully charged again, with no explanation whatsoever. Then again, there was never any explanation for why they were waning earlier in the season. Nothing means anything. Pathetic.

Well, you all said it already, and very well. I ended up hate-texting with a couple friends last night - it was the only way to get through it. This was garbage. Just a jumbled mess of retcon, redux, and when Perez ran out of that, outright lifting from the worst of fandom tumblr. OMG people, I'm begging you, find another career. This pesky writing thing is just not for you. I think Safeway is still hiring. The one and only truly fun part of this episode was random Zack the not-so-much Crossroads Demon. That guy was cute, funny - essentially he rocked this episode. Asstiel and Princess Jackie Poo Sue should have let him hang with them - might have made their mind-numbingly stupid booooooring part of the episode just a tad entertaining. Lead material these two just ain't. Sure, it was fun to see Dr. Sexy again too - and I assumed he was the killer or had something to do with the killer. And he did, it was his 80-lb psycho daughter who somehow managed to do all this heavy lifting - like literally. I guess being a sociopath makes you unreasonably strong. Whatevs. And of course we were already forewarned that Amara was going to kick Dean in the head again - because a lifetime of being relentlessly beaten down just isn't enough for the writers' least favorite character. We still got a handful of episodes to do it again, and again, and again. I mean, how dare the guy hang onto one single childhood fantasy that his mother might have loved him. Yes, we know now that she didn't, but is it really the biggest crime in the universe that Dean wanted to believe she did his whole life? And that whole BS word salad about why Mary was instead a heinous unloving black-hearted skank was literally lifted from Mary 2.0 apologia tumblr. No, they weren't trying at all here, and will never grow a pair between them and just admit they royally screwed up with this character. What Dean should have outright asked is WHY Mary didn't love him. That being said, the chemistry between Jensen and Emily was off the charts. If you ignore quite literally every word they were saying, this little scene was the one and only powerfully acted one in this hot garbage waste of an episode. And once again another Dean plot is lifted and repurposed for another much lesser character. Seriously, the whole soul bomb thing wasn't that long ago - it was Dabb's soap opera ending to Carver's Darkness plot. We remember it - why doesn't anyone in the "writers" room? And the worst part is, Jackie Poo Sue won't blow up. More's the pity.

Yeah, there are no clues here, it's just the style of the artist. But this was a terrific interview with Jensen. We're going to start seeing more solo interviews as the guys are promoting their futures. Supernatural is already the past for them. I don't feel like the holidays in this last episode were a clue of anything other than Jeremy thinking it was cool to decorate the bunker for each holiday and give the guys those milestones, especially since obviously when they were celebrating none of it was happening on the actual date of said holidays. I think the whole episode time lasted maybe a week or two at the most. If the reset button comes into play, that could mean anything, including resetting the entire series to where none of anything in the last 15 years happened. Essentially Bobby coming out of the shower ala Dallas. And what a huge series destroying cop-out that would be. Sure, I wouldn't put it past Drabb since he hates the show anyway and killing it dead would be his dream. But would the WB really allow that? I mean, that's basically tossing a How I Met Your Mother bomb into the entire series, effectively making it syndication poison.

Sounds incredibly awful - I mean, even worse than I was expecting. I intended to just dvr and FF to the Dean and Sam parts, since I have no interest in the "adorable bean" (and yes, don't read that with food in your mouth) and his walking wet nurse. But given the hatred Dabb, Berens, and Perez have for Dean - and possibly Jensen - sounds like Amara trashes Dean, for his own good, doncha know. I definitely won't be watching live - wasn't going to anyway. But now I really don't know if I should bother even dvr'ing the episode. What a waste of one last precious week.