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Maybe there are some in real life, but your question made me realize that Judy fits the trope of "manic pixie dream girl" except that in this show her purpose is to open Jen's heart and give new meaning to Jen's life, instead of the usual purpose of doing that for the male lead of the story--see the first two paragraphs of this article: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ManicPixieDreamGirl

Glad to see that I'm not the only old one here who remembers her from Dawn!

This is exactly how I feel about the show. (I tried to "love" your post but got an error message.) The initial mystery in season 1 of what happened to the plane and passengers was interesting, and the complications of the passengers coming back to a world that has moved on without them for 5 years were even more interesting. And for a while the Callings were interesting. But when they started getting all "woo-woo" and spiritual with the Omega sapphire and the Divine Consciousness (not to mention the lifeboat), I had a hard time continuing to watch. I only do continue because of the people drama, as you explain so well. But the writers seem to be in love with the woo-woo, so I'm sure I will be even more disappointed in the last few episodes.

Thanks, I knew he looked familiar but couldn't place him. (I always try to remember names and where I know the actor from before I take the easy way out and look it up on IMDB.) But I didn't watch the later seasons of ER so don't remember him in that. I mainly know him from The 4400, which was on about the same time as he appeared in ER.

I haven't seen the US remake, but I loved the original--it was both funny and touching. Back to this show, one thing that bothered me is that, even though Sam framed it in an intellectual way as the "power dynamic," it could be argued that Elias raped (not seduced) Molly. Presumably it wasn't violent, but if Molly felt that she had no choice but to go along with it, she didn't really consent. At "best" it was a Me Too situation, but that can be considered rape in some real-life cases. Of course, framing it as rape would bring down the mood in a comedy, and I understand why the writers didn't want to go there. But the explanation that Sam gave left a bit of a bad taste.

We just finished it and it was suspenseful and thought-provoking, though hard to follow at times (probably intentionally). The ending was fairly satisfying--even though there could certainly be more to the story.

This episode wasn't as interesting or funny to me as most of the others, maybe because the cult leader and followers did not seem very cult-like. Also, I thought the problem was resolved too easily by Sam claiming she slept with the leader. If he was a "good" (effective) cult leader, he could have talked his way out of it--not denying it, but justifying it. I did find the end with Flower touching, though it's unlikely that a soldier who went MIA in Vietnam would have come home. But I could be wrong--I don't know the statistics on MIAs being found.

We really "enjoyed" (maybe not the right word, since the idea is terrifying) the first season but had forgotten about it with all the other new and returning shows on Peacock, Netflix, etc. But last night when we saw the title card on the homepage that lists all our streaming choices, we decided to watch the first episode of Season 2 and hoped we would remember enough from the first season to follow it. Anyway, I hope we will be able to comment in more detail once people start seeing and there is less risk of spoiling. I was confused about how some things were done, and I particularly wondered in the first episode (putting this in spoilers for now)

I'm with you. It was funny the first couple of times, but then it just started annoying me because, as you said, it is childish (or teenage-ish) and immature. I'd like to see the writers come up with a way for the ghosts to start using a new phrase, though I suspect we are stuck with this,

Reverse that an you've got it. 😉 LOL, I actually know what these Yiddish words mean but at first thought the original explanation was correct. Then I saw your comment and realized I read the first explanation too quickly. Thanks for the correction. It's also funny because in most of the first season I didn't really notice Trevor using Yiddish words, even though (or maybe because) I'm from a Jewish family that often used them. But once someone pointed it out on this forum, I realized that he uses them frequently. I didn't like him much in the early episodes, but he's grown on me. My theory was that both Sam and Jay were dead after falling through the floor and were now ghosts, so that basically all the characters would be ghosts. It didn't really make sense and probably wouldn't make for a good show narratively, but there should have been more of a consequence to the fall. It looked like a bad fall and the basement floor is presumably concrete or some other hard surface, so they should have both been injured--broken bone or something.

This makes my head hurt! And I should be able to follow it because I do genealogy research for my family, but maybe the problem is that I haven't had coffee yet this morning.

That's funny, because I thought she looked like the chef/lover in the series "You" (I'm not giving more detail because I don't want to spoil anyone who hasn't watched that series). Their features are really similar, but I finally looked the names of the actresses up and they are not the same (or even related).

Short for Persephone? But, seriously, it could be that the name on her birth certificate is totally different from Percy, and she was given a boy's nickname because she was (a) a tough girl/tomboy and/or (2) destined to take over the family business, which traditionally would be run by a man (though her grandmother ran it after her husband died).

I started thinking about the title this season in also. It could have both meanings, but it makes more sense to me that Harry thinks of himself as a sinner and his obsession to solve crimes is how he tries to atone for his sin(s). It doesn't mean that he actually did commit a sin, just that he thinks that he did. I don't remember what he said about his mother being abusive, but it's not surprising that a child who is abused is made to feel guilty and deserving of the abuse.

My husband and I just rewatched the first 2 seasons in anticipation of the 3rd season, so I can answer part of this. First, I am pretty sure they were not in Steve's car when they took the body to the forest, because the answer to your question about the final scene with the son is that he had just opened his mother's storage unit (not sure how he knew where that was or how he got the key) and saw Steve's car there in apparently pristine condition. I think Jen (or Jen and Judy) took the car there after getting Steve's body into the freezer on the night he was killed in Jen's backyard. They moved the body from the freezer into Jen's car (I assume it was Jen's car, but it could have been Judy's/Abe's) some time later (days? it's hard to tell how much time passes in this show) but they didn't show that clearly as far as I remember. Jen's son assumed that the car in the storage unit was meant to be a birthday present for him, and so he exclaimed something like "F--- yeah, mom"--but this assumption and exclamation weren't clear to me on first watch. As mentioned in my first paragraph, I don't think they took Steve's car. If they had, it seems unlikely it would have been sitting in the storage unit in apparently pristine condition. But I can't remember if we actually saw the car they were driving to bury the body. I agree with what you said about not asking the price of the presidential suite, but handing over a wad of cash (if they even had that) might have seemed suspicious and definitely more memorable than using a credit card. But I don't know why police would be looking at guests in this hotel anyway, even if they found the body--why would they think the person(s) who buried the body would have spent the night there, or at any other hotel in the area?

I figured that it was a deliberate choice because of wanting to avoid negative stereotypes, but I think there could have been a compromise between a negative stereotype and modern, casual English. Maybe a somewhat more formal style of speaking English--correct but not colloquial. Obviously the whole premise of the show is unrealistic, but the way he speaks takes me out of the story more than the other ghosts do.

In addition to the binging of a terrible dating show being hilarious, my husband and I thought the argument about one watching episodes without the other was really funny because it is true. It's so frustrating when you start watching an addictive streaming show (of any genre) and then one of you is not available for a few days to continue watching. We have had arguments with pretty much the same wording as Sasappis and Thor when one of us got ahead of the other; usually we settle it by rewatching together the episodes one of us already watched. I didn't like Thor at first, but he is growing on me. I do like Sasappis, but it really doesn't make sense that he speaks such modern, colloquial, non-accented English while Thor is still speaking kind of primitive and heavily accented English.

I was not engaged by the first episode but decided to give the second episode a chance because my husband enjoyed the first episode. Unfortunately, the second episode still did not engage me, though I agree it was an improvement over the first episode. I loved the LOTR movies (I have not read the books), and I know it would be too much to expect that this series could be as good, but there's just not enough "there" there, aside from the beautiful sets and costumes, and the acting is not anywhere near the level of the movies. Other problems for me are (1) I can't keep track of all the characters beyond the general categories of elves, dwarves, and harfoot (harfeet?) and (2) as others have suggested, there is not enough information for those viewers who are not LOTR superfans or who have forgotten important details about these worlds. I'm not saying that everything needs to be spelled out, but providing a bit more information about the background of the characters might help to engage more viewers. For example, when Elron (Elrond?) told the smith that he would talk to the dwarf prince because they were old friends, and subsequently when the prince was telling Elron why he was offended, I couldn't figure out how an elf and a dwarf prince would meet, much less become good friends. It seemed like elves and dwarves live in different worlds, rarely meet, and have nothing in common. So without any explanation of how this friendship began, the whole subplot took me out of the show. I'm sure this is wrong but will spoiler tag anyway. When the bearded man was found, I couldn't help but wonder I do kind of like Nori, Disa, and Arondir--who are all, not coincidentally, straightforward personalities without any apparent hidden agenda. Plus with Arondir, I'm always a sucker for an honorable guy who can't admit or act on his love for a woman. But so far none of the other characters are interesting enough to care about. My husband still wants to watch, so I may continue watching to keep him company. But if the third episode still does not engage me, I will probably read a book while he's watching.

After I wrote the comment above, I decided to rewatch (3rd viewing) the final episode to see if, in light of the critical comments, I felt differently than when I last watched it earlier this year. I just finished the episode and cried most of the way through it, the same way I did before. Especially moving were the goodbye scenes, as the characters who had become so real to me over the years expressed their feelings for each other and looked toward the future on this beautiful Earth. (However, I really did not like the flashbacks to Lee and Kara almost having sex while his brother and her fiance were passed out on the couch--only stopped by his waking up for a moment when a glass was knocked over. I'm not sure if this was meant to show that they had evolved from their more immature and selfish selves, but these flashbacks did not seem necessary at this point.) The "150,000 years later" scenes were not really necessary, but I still liked the transition from the child Hera looking up at the sky to the various landscapes of Earth to the article about mitochondrial Eve in present day. Obviously these scenes did not have the shock value they had on first watch, but I still thought it was an interesting way to end the series. And when the song started playing, I started crying again--I'm not sure why, it just gets to me.

Not the only one! After seeing all the criticisms (which I understand and agree with to a point), I'm almost embarrassed to admit that season 4 and especially the finale had a big emotional impact on me. Maybe it's partly because I was rooting for Helo, Athena, and Hera to have a happily ever after and partly because I love both origin and post-apocalyptic stories. I know there were a lot of things throughout the fourth season (maybe even some of the third season) that did not make sense, but I decided to go with it because I cared about many of the characters and liked the concept of keeping up hope for humanity in the face of events that would result in most people losing hope. On a more trivial note, I am also in the minority of enjoying the use of All Along the Watchtower. It's another thing that didn't really make sense but still had an emotional impact on me, probably because the Hendrix version was released the year I started college (1968) in Washington, DC, and had my eyes opened to some of the big social and political issues that I had been sheltered from while growing up in my small town. The lyrics used in BSG (the first stanza of the song) reflected my feelings from that time and made sense to me as the way the newly aware Final Five might feel. And when the reveal came that all of this had happened in our past, it seemed like a cool idea that elements of an ancient song could echo through generations until it was re-created in a modern society.

Very interesting article!

Me, too--she is just stunning. Unfortunately, as a short and overweight woman, I could never carry off her looks.

I don't much care for him either so that's okay lol. I think he has hidden depths underneath his stoner facade but Eleanor will help him with growth next season (I hope!). I don't like Trent either, and I'm also not loving the romance between him and Eleanor. Despite the writers' attempts to show some reason why they would be attracted to each other, I just don't believe it. Eleanor may not be as book smart as Devi and Fabiola (it's not really clear if she is an academic high achiever), but she is certainly not dumb. Trent may have some hidden emotional depths, but he is still a stoner who acts dumb 99% of the time. It's true that Paxton was capable of changing to a smarter and more sensitive guy, but even in the beginning Paxton was more motivated than Trent to accomplish something (swimming and possibly winning a scholarship). And Devi's initial attraction to Paxton was understandable because of his looks. Trent is not ugly but doesn't seem like the kind of boy that girls will fall for based on looks. Of course, my opinions are at least partly based on memories of myself as a high school academic nerd, who had crushes on handsome and unattainable guys but had no interest in clowns and jerks ("stoners" were not a thing when and where I went to school).

I alternated between laughing and crying (sometimes both at the same time) through the whole episode. This show has it all: great writing, great acting, and most of all great heart. I think she started thinking of Devi as a problem much earlier, when Nalini explained why there was a wheelchair in the garage. Rhyah's face showed a combination of concern and dismay. Even if she didn't yet know that Devi and Des were romantically involved (I don't remember if they were involved yet, but I think there was already attraction), the wheelchair moment probably marked Devi as unsuitable girlfriend material for her son.

Am I the only one who teared up a little when Pati invited Manish in the house and said that she now saw that he was good for Kamala? (I don't remember the exact words, even though I just watched the scene--may have to rewatch.) I know that Kamala can make her own decisions without her grandmother's approval, but it's always better if your close family accepts the person you love. And I was more sympathetic to Pati's concerns after hearing her explanation of what her husband was like; that experience combined with the importance of tradition and culture to her makes her worry about Manish understandable. I have liked Manish from his first scene in school and enjoyed his awkward flirting with Kamala before they started dating, and I hope the show gives them a happy ending (or at least leaves them in a happy place, if not a definite ending).