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One of my favorite lines was Isaac's saying that Freddie looked like "Hamilton after a night at the whore house, which he frequented. No songs in the musical about that." I've never even seen the musical, but I love Isaac's continuing frustration at Hamilton's fame.

Coming to this very late, since we only recently got Paramount+, but this was one of my favorite moments since I am such a huge fan of Rent. I didn't see anyone else here mention it (and apologies if I missed it), but the story involved the opera La Boheme--which, of course, is what Rent was loosely based on. And Anthony Rapp (Stamets) sang "La Vie Boheme" in the show. So it was kind of a double inside joke.

I was kind of disappointed in this episode when I thought it was the series finale and nothing was going to be tied up, but I'll give it a chance next season. As usual, I enjoy all of your comments and don't have a lot to add, but here are some random thoughts: Sheryl has gone completely to the dark side and does not care about her daughter and granddaughters except for how they can help her get what she wants (power, wealth, youth?). She is good at faking affection for them, but Kristen should be more suspicious of her. Maybe Kristen's need for Sheryl's help with the kids as well as her emotional need for a mother's love (especially since her father does not seem to be in her life) allows her to ignore the suspicion. Regarding the potential demon baby that the pregnant woman at the office will give birth to, Sheryl's apparent joy at this impending birth suggests that she sees the baby as her "real" grandchild (from Kristen's egg, and therefore Sheryl's DNA, with no input from Andy)--one that she can love, control, and use without her daughter or son-in-law interfering. However, given Sheryl's apparent continuing disgust at the Manager's physical form, I don't know how comfortable she will be with a grandchild that looks and maybe smells like a demon (if it does). Not to mention that she still doesn't seem to like Leland much, so how is she going to feel about his controlling role in the baby's life? The scene at the end with Andy horrified by the demon manger seemed so unreal that I suspect it was a nightmare. There have been many terrifying nightmares and night terrors throughout this show, so why couldn't this be another one? When this show started, and maybe even into season 2, it seemed to be an open question of whether demons and angels were real, with the writing tending to suggest that they were not literally real but rather metaphorically real (even though some devout Catholics in the show believed they were literally real). And there were at least some possible rational explanations for unexplained phenomena. But this season and especially this episode have apparently insisted that they are literally real, and I don't particularly like that as the basis of the show because it is too easy--just perform an exorcism or bash them with a shovel, and the immediate problem is solved. I prefer some uncertainty in the causes of and solutions to problems. I wish Dr. Boggs could be written out for the next season. His idiocy annoys me no end, and he's really not important to the overall story. And I've had more than enough of Leland, but unfortunately he is central to the story. Finally, and on a lighter note, now that we've found out that Andy was only "mostly dead," my husband was disappointed that the writers didn't find a reason for Father Ignatius to say "Inconceivable!" in this episode. Maybe next season?

I think this was inspired by something that actually happened (and I have seen similar reports elsewhere, though not sure if they are all true): https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-45976946

It's been a while since I've watched EVIL and when you said Ben, I thought for a minute that was Michael Emerson's character, until I realized that was his name on LOST. LOL! He's such a good actor!! He is, but I gave up on Lost before the character of Ben became central, so I don't have the same association with that name for that actor. I am sometimes tempted to go back to Lost to see what I missed, but I've already read about the ending so not sure it's worth it.

I was disappointed in this episode and overall really dislike the Boggs being made a major character who now has his own plot as well as the parts he plays in Kristen's and Sister Andrea's plots (and why did he get called to examine SA and testify at her tribunal--did Kristen recommend him, and if so, wouldn't the tribunal/church want a psychiatrist not connected to Kristen?). Boggs is presumably a highly educated person (you can't be a psychiatrist without years of training after college), so why would he fall so easily for Leland's ridiculous instructions? And why wouldn't he at least attempt to do some research on the topics he wants to write about before giving up? It seemed like he just started trying to write without any knowledge of the topic other than his personal encounter with the demon and what little he has witnessed with the team. I wish instead of focusing on Boggs the writers would give some explanation of what's going on with Sheryl--I intensely dislike her character but still want to know if she has her own agenda and how she can apparently love her daughter and grandkids while otherwise being evil. More specifically to this episode, I disliked the whole cult story. Maybe it's because I watch too many shows that have cults as a plot element, but it just felt trite and silly. And Ben, who is naturally suspicious anyway, should have known better than to fall for the leader's seduction. I don't have more to add about this episode because you have all made such great comments--I enjoy reading them even when I don't like an episode because your insights and humor are spot on.

I thought the same thing! I was like, "Wait, what's this ad doing here?" :p. I do have commercials with PP, and I missed the Makob because I mute and/or ignore the commercials. Guess I should go back to the episode to see this one.

Laura was the one who first made that discovery :). I know she discovered it, but did Kirsten or any other daughters see the blood? There wasn't any blood when Ben came to investigate and they were all there. I don't know if there is any significance to Laura being the one to see the blood. BTW, has anyone noticed that the daughters seem to be aging inconsistently with the timeline of the show? In Season 1 they all seemed pretty young, and I thought Laura (the youngest) was supposed to be around 5. There seemed to be about 2 years difference in age between each daughter--maybe 5, 7, 9, and 11. I thought only about a year is supposed to have passed (based on how much time Andy was supposed to be gone on each trip). But Laura now seems to be developing breasts, which would probably make her at least 11, and the oldest girl looks to be at least 13. I realize that the writers can't control how quickly the young actresses grow, but does anyone know what the timeline is supposed to be from Season 1 to now?

This is a problem for me in any show with multiple plots and random clues--I end up having to rewatch the previous season (if it's available on streaming) when the new season comes out. My husband and I watched Season 1 of Evil when it was on regular TV (CBS, I think) but refused to pay for Paramount Plus when it moved there, because at the time we didn't think there were other shows we'd want to watch on PP. We only got PP recently because there were a couple of other shows we wanted to watch on it, but now I'm glad we waited because we will be able to continue on to Season 3 without a long time gap between seasons. I thought she was praying to the dolls, which she had arranged and named as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost--in other words, a satanic version of these entities. Although it looked like there was a statue of the Madonna above her, I think that was just meant to show what a blasphemy she was committing. (I have no idea why there would be a statue of the Madonna in Kristen's office.) However, I am Jewish so may be totally wrong about what she was doing and what it meant--please correct me if you are more familiar with Christian/Church prayer practices.

My husband and I are also catching up (watched the last 3 episodes of Season 2 on Christmas Eve, which I guess is kind of sick). We understand and agree with what you are saying about loose ends and the unexplained--though I think some things are intentionally unexplained because that is the concept behind the show (i.e., there are some phenomenon that can't be explained rationally). But there still needs to be more resolution and explanation than they have given so far. We're still interested because we do like the X-Files genre, and specifically loved most of the original X-Files series (not the more recent version). But we'll be very annoyed if Season 3 of Evil doesn't answer any important questions.

A guy like that would definitely press charges. It's unrealistic that she had no consequences, police friend or not.

I'm sure she is up to something--just can't figure out what. But wasn't she doing something on a laptop just before the scene where she asked Kristen to put a bed in the office? Whatever she was doing on the laptop was probably not good.

My husband and I are just starting to watch Season 2 because we finally got access to Paramount Plus. We rewatched the last episode of Season 1 to remind us of where things had ended, but when we started watching this episode (first one of Season 2) we felt like we must have missed something. When and where did she kill LeRoux? In episode 13 of Season 1 we saw him taunting her with fake apologies outside her house and also calling her with the same, and we saw Lexie opening the door to what appeared to be the devil, and the door was still open when Kristen came home and found the gift basket, presumably from LeRoux. And then Kristen told Lexie to go back to bed and immediately left the house. I don't know why she didn't check the house first to be sure he wasn't still there and that the other daughters were OK, but are we meant to assume that she rushed out to find and kill LeRoux?

If you can bring yourself to watch another Mike Flanagan sort of supernatural/horror series, The Midnight Club has a few of the key players from Midnight Mass, though in somewhat smaller roles.

In case anyone needs to perform CPR (sorry, I couldn't resist looking for this):

Do we know if the ghost actors really sang that? It seemed too perfectly harmonious, unless all the ghost actors are also trained singers. I thought they may have been lip-syncing to a recorded song. I'm not too young to have that song ingrained on my brain, though I might have trouble using it for CPR because the beat is always paired in my head with Travolta striding down the street, which could be distracting in an emergency situation.

With the posture, she even somehow looked bigger when she was possessed by Thor. It was so noticeable to me that I actually wondered if they padded her clothes during those scenes to make her look more bulky.

The ships could have the same design since they belong to the same company. Wasn't there a mention (in this episode or a previous one) of the company buying 3 German ships and having them refurbished? I don't remember if they said what/where the third ship was. But Prometheus and Kerberus seem to have similar design elements, including trap doors leading to secret compartments--although it's hard to tell how similar, since all we've seen of Prometheus has been at night or very low light. I didn't see this mentioned yet in the discussion of earlier episodes, but the names of the ships must be significant. The ship everyone is on is Kerberos, which is another spelling of Cerberus, in Greek mythology the three-headed dog that guarded the entrance to the Underworld--he let the dead in but didn't let anyone out. Prometheus was one of the Titans in Greek mythology, a trickster and the god of fire, who defied the gods by giving fire to mortals.

I noted that, too, and that made me wonder if hypnosis was involved. But in the first episode, didn't someone else (a man, I think--maybe her father?) tell Maura to wake up?

As a big animal lover, I am always distracted from the people part of the plot of a TV show or movie when I see a dog or cat that appears to have been abandoned or in distress. We just got back from Israel, where there are street cats all over the place, and I spent almost as much time interacting with them and worrying about them as I did visiting my daughter and granddaughter (the reason for the trip). Anyway, I like to think that the cat in Mexico somehow embodied Judy's spirit (remember that she had spent happy times there with Steve) and/or that it was Judy's reincarnation in the final scene when the cat was trying to get Jen's attention by pawing at the guest house by the pool (the place where Judy spent so much time). A silly but somewhat comforting theory.

Maybe there are some in real life, but your question made me realize that Judy fits the trope of "manic pixie dream girl" except that in this show her purpose is to open Jen's heart and give new meaning to Jen's life, instead of the usual purpose of doing that for the male lead of the story--see the first two paragraphs of this article: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ManicPixieDreamGirl

Glad to see that I'm not the only old one here who remembers her from Dawn!

This is exactly how I feel about the show. (I tried to "love" your post but got an error message.) The initial mystery in season 1 of what happened to the plane and passengers was interesting, and the complications of the passengers coming back to a world that has moved on without them for 5 years were even more interesting. And for a while the Callings were interesting. But when they started getting all "woo-woo" and spiritual with the Omega sapphire and the Divine Consciousness (not to mention the lifeboat), I had a hard time continuing to watch. I only do continue because of the people drama, as you explain so well. But the writers seem to be in love with the woo-woo, so I'm sure I will be even more disappointed in the last few episodes.

Thanks, I knew he looked familiar but couldn't place him. (I always try to remember names and where I know the actor from before I take the easy way out and look it up on IMDB.) But I didn't watch the later seasons of ER so don't remember him in that. I mainly know him from The 4400, which was on about the same time as he appeared in ER.

I haven't seen the US remake, but I loved the original--it was both funny and touching. Back to this show, one thing that bothered me is that, even though Sam framed it in an intellectual way as the "power dynamic," it could be argued that Elias raped (not seduced) Molly. Presumably it wasn't violent, but if Molly felt that she had no choice but to go along with it, she didn't really consent. At "best" it was a Me Too situation, but that can be considered rape in some real-life cases. Of course, framing it as rape would bring down the mood in a comedy, and I understand why the writers didn't want to go there. But the explanation that Sam gave left a bit of a bad taste.