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They both knew. No sympathy for either of them.

I think the person I hate on this show the most...might be Dr. Drew?! Mostly because he should know so. much. better.

It looks like they "checked in" on Jun. 16th which would make sense given the timing if it's indeed been 2 days since the end of the show/when they broke up. http://www.eonline.com/news/861434/teen-mom-og-s-amber-portwood-and-matt-baier-check-into-marriage-boot-camp

I'm so sorry for your loss :(

An album?!?!?! Who keeps telling these people they can write books and make art?!?!

And I believe he's driven with her when he wasn't supposed to, right?

MBC is quite short, from what I remember. A week or two weeks.

I don't know about Jenelle's and her (also violent) sister's mental illness because I hesitate to label assholery and violence as mental illness, both to protect actually mentally ill people (you can just be that shitty without being ill) and to avoid semi-excusing gross behavior. But Colin's post reads as paranoia and confusion rather than reality or a deliberate takedown. He actually seems truly sick and in need of psychiatric care, and if Jenelle is exploiting that then shame on her.

*Hated* the mom. In one of the recent previews, the producers tried to see it as "female empowerment" that Brianna's family is all female. I saw TM3 and how they acted-- MTV, on behalf of actual feminists, please please do not try to sell this as feminism. Nobody is buying. #gross

Some people are just really desperate for commitment/attention from a partner. I don't have that cultural experience but she clearly does: she's 20 and already divorced once. I'd assume that's a big part of her fixation.

I think Nova is ridiculously cute. I know that doesn't matter but it always comes with a tinge of sadness. She has such a weird life.

I am really confused about that phrase still. Did she mix up lone wolf and odd bird? Lol.

My bet is several scenes of her talking to Corey and Jeremy about it, another scene of her talking to the girls about it, another scene of her talking to her mom about it., another scene of talking to Chasity about it, one scene of the first day, then never mentioned again.

Yes, there have been some gross instances recently of kids with various disabilities being posted all over social media with captions like "no one will be friends with her :( will you give her some likes?" (pictures of perfectly happy kids btw who just happen to have cerebral palsy or Down syndrome or what have you, and happen to be posing alone in their parents' photos) and trying to get them to go viral. And in my online pregnancy support network (many tens of thousands of people), there were some scandals with people stealing ultrasound photos and photos of our babies and pretending they were theirs. People are creepy AF. Yeah, I thought it looked super silly, lol.

We only needed one in our state.

Kail and I are due on about the exact same day (shudder), around August 4th, from what I remember. My pregnancy is also high risk and the only trips I'm taking are to Red Lobster and I consider those days extremely active. I'm also working two full time jobs still, which is something Kailyn wouldn't know anything about. *eyeroll* A touch of bitterness and a whole lot of side eye from me for this girl. So. Many. Vacations.

Maybe this has been mentioned, but it's "been 2 days" since what? The end of filming MBC?

I really hate her. Leah will always be #1 in my hatred book for some reason, but Jenelle is a close second. I despise Amber too but I at least believe she is mentally ill, and she does admit to making mistakes though she never learns or grows from them. I truly don't think Jenelle even is "disordered" or messed up by her history in any real way like Farrah probably is, or Catelynn, or even Kailyn with her alcoholic absentee mom. She's just a really, really selfish and awful person who enjoys playing victim.

Ryan's driving was the worst thing I've ever seen on TM since Amber's outbursts early on. As annoying as Farrah can be, Debra can miss me with the manipulative fake suicide threats. If you don't like how you're treated, stay off the show and don't take the paychecks, easy enough. David is gross and controlling. Tyler's fashion sketches were the most hilarious things I've seen in a while.

I saw it as one of those skirts that's short in the front and long in the back.

Wait, are you saying you aren't impressed with Cate and Ty's counselor who tells them how awesome they are in the closet of a back room next to a copier?

I wouldn't say Farrah is mother of the year but I don't think Sophia is in any danger or being abused or neglected (unfortunately that's our standard here). I think she does many things wrong as a parent (being overly materialistic, exposing her to the toxic relationship with her mom, etc) but overall I would personally class her as "ok." Certainly worlds better than Amber and Cate/Ty, and not having oops babies and binge drinking while pregnant like Maci. Something is incredibly, disgustingly creepy with the Doc. The tweeting thing makes sense. Debra has always seemed unhinged to me-- all the faux religiosity and crazy eyes since 16&P, and there were vague rumors that Farrah was molested and Debra did nothing about it, which could be 100% unfounded but which frankly wouldn't surprise me, and would explain a lot about their relationship. Either way, screaming more than once about your (not real) suicidal ideation in front of your granddaughter is pretty off the rails.

"Liqueur?" I'm just imagining Matt surrounded by bottles of peppermint schnapps.

Personally I saw a lot of complaining about Maci's general sense "control" over Bentley, especially from Larry who kept repeating how sick he was of her control of his time. I found those complaints confusing and inappropriate because they are his grandparents, not his other custodial parents, and they must know Ryan is on drugs and thus unfit to be "in control" himself. They have no legal right to time with Bentley and the parent who does is unfit, but because they've regularly covered for his uselessness and Maci has enabled him and wanted their help while she partied, they're in the awkward position of basically being the other guardians when that's not how it's supposed to be. I do agree that Maci should have been and should be exerting *more* control, not less; she, like his parents, has enabled him or looked the other way for years, either because she couldn't be bothered, was embarrassed, didn't care enough, simply didn't want to know, I don't know. Ryan's been on drugs for a long time--he shouldn't have had access to them since it was initially an issue, and yes, Maci should have done something about it. Ryan's parents won't be happy if she ever follows through with legal action on that, but it's long, long overdue. Bottom line, I personally don't see any of them as blameless. She had more of a legal ability to do something and is pretty much useless, but Jen and Larry are enablers extraordinaire partly for their own selfish reasons (such as not being embarrassed) and I don't have a lot of sympathy for that when it comes to children.

Lol! I hear you. I'm approximately 3 years pregnant and I ate FIVE sandwiches today. FIVE. I am still hungry.