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And Geoff actually assisted others. The bro alliance has had no interest in helping anyone make it up difficult terrain. As everyone has mentioned, if one member doesn't make it to the final summit no one collects so why was Beckylee Jojo Siwa so fixated on getting him out? Even my 6th grader saw what a stupid plan that was and observed by the second episode they're erroneously playing Survivor. It's also felt weird that multiple people have seemed very bothered by the friendship of Punkin and Geoff but not necessarily others like Pati and Amy or Dennis and Therron.

Agreed. I am speculating that they may have had a tough time getting many of the decision makers during the early years because 1) age and 2) no matter how terrible what people thought and did, few want to explain their thought processes or own their actions publically.

Even West's dad knew he was going to do what he did so, I'll go with his judgment. I'm glad Jesse's not an attorney because I wouldn't want him making my closing argument. His summation sounded like "West didn't think he was using you that bad and once he realized it, he tried to bail. Sorry, it hurt your feelings." It's as if they don't realize they are bumping 30 - 40's. These are not their first interactions with women wanting relationships. Other people aren't lockers to hold men's emotions and help them learn maturity to take into the next stage of life unless they are therapists being paid by the hour. I also agree with whoever said they would like some summer fun stuff next season and no Danielle.

I had no intention of suggesting Gabby should not be there. I still have no idea what her stories will be though. Is she a support for Lindsey like Danielle used to be? I don't know her function and thought maybe someone else did. I could be interested in learning more but there's nothing presented.

Since I think Carl v Lindsey has been thoroughly litigated and I don't have any new points for now, I am moving on to another curiosity I have. Why does Ciara make such strange choices in men? I cannot figure out what my read is on why she chooses the guys she does and why it seems she holds on when these unworthy choices treat her poorly and fail to meet her wants or needs publically. Also, what's the deal with Gabby? Will she ever have a storyline? How did she get into the cast?

What I read is fear more than pretense. I also don't trust the ease of the "laziness" label of human behavior so, that could be part of where we won't ever align. For example, being a mom isn't something someone who won't put in work aspires to unless they are possibly involved in the sort of wealth where they don't interact with children after giving birth. As others have stated, Kyle doesn't even believe the lazy label because if he did, he would be happy for her to stop working for Loverboy and stop flying off the handle at the thought of her own endeavor or even having a child.

You answered your question, unfortunately. His answer depends on his goal. I cringe to hear Amanda minimize her contributions because they will be used against her in a court of law later. Kyle's team will say even she didn't believe she was the reason for Loverboy's success. I also believe that he knows deep inside that if Amanda gets anything of her own, it will soar and the truth of who's the smartest will be revealed. Hearing from her that other people are saying out loud how much they know she is behind the success of Loverboy sent him over the edge. He thought it was a secret only he and maybe her parents knew. If she figures it out and acts accordingly, his power position in the marriage will be threatened. It's all in his mind. She has no intention of minimizing Kyle, but he just might ruin things himself.

Carl & Lindsey: I think he is scared of Lindsey and avoidant/scared of looking like the bad guy in general. He seems to be a pleaser type of person in need of approval which causes him to be manipulative. See how he handled Loverboy too. Lindsay appears to fear rejection and crave a nuclear family at all costs. From all the seasons I have seen her, I didn't know the stuff about her mom but that wound might be the origin of her problems bonding with female castmates. Also, her forcefulness for commitment and engagement with guys before Carl seems to point to her having a timetable that each guy has more and more pressure to meet. They are the perfect combo for a last-minute bomb drop like they had. I'm just glad Carl didn't go on a bender and not get on the plane for the wedding to sabotage it. I agree with all the points about Paige and Craig. My daughter has a crush on Craig for some reason and adds "but not as cute as Craig" to all observations of cute boys. West & Ciara: I'm with you about missing the good old days. Also, my BFF made the observation when we were in college and I always use it as a checkpoint, "You're allowed to feel whatever you feel and it's valid. But, what you aren't allowed is to act and say whatever based on those feelings." That inner voice has saved me many times.

I have never heard a "healed" person speak so poorly about people they claim to have no relationship with. Then Chloe was mad at someone for following her ex on social as she not only followed one of the pink posse's ex's but hung out with all of them in real life. Michael will see how friendly she is if he meets someone and starts to seriously date them before she does.

Carl is the male version of "Just Be Good to Me" that I see with women where they love a guy who doesn't treat people the best but their love is different. They will be special to this person. Even though the partner runs over colleagues, friends who cross them, subordinates, and even family members they perceive as threatening in a situation, the love partner doesn't see those as signs of how they will one day be treated. How things went with an ex or two is somehow different from their situation too. Their bond is different. Their love is transcendent and how this person behaves when they perceive a threat won't come into play. "When people show you who they are..." has become kind of cliche for a reason.

Who told Scheana she is a good candidate for DWTS? Sandoval would be cast before her.

I assume some of these ladies have not competed much. Yes, (according to what production provides) Maria is in there having extra private time with Joey. How does sitting around complaining about it and calling it "disrespectful" solve it? 1) it's not her job to manage your joey time 2) joey is in there making out with her not ordering her to leave so her can spend more time with u. If it's so important to you go get your man. If you want to feel disrespected, she's the wrong target. Neither one of these people owe u anything so go into another room and feel your feelings then get back in the game. But for now you sound unhinged.

I also believe someone like Sydney has gotten by on signifying American pretty (blond, thin, angular Euro facial features) without actually having to back it up or develop anything else. So, she doesn't have much to "fight" with if that doesn't wow or intimate others sufficiently. At that point, victimhood and feigning a need for protection are what's left. Lea, is just too young. I can't get a good read on her yet outside of immaturity trying to mix in and find her group. It's like she skipped a couple of grades in high school and is trying to seem more mature.

Really all of them except maybe Phaedra, are deferential and I seem afraid of Jackie. I don't understand it unless they believe she is production's pet. The way she crumbles for Curtis and his nutcracker knees, that kills any mystique for me. Well that, her terrible bedside manner and respectibility politic kill it. Although I'm no enthusiastic supporter of Tea, she does highlight an oncoming issue with this show. What is this going to be? Will there be a mix of older gen x, millennials and maybe a little z or just older x demanding "respect" when threatened? If everyone isn't equal in the relationships, why would anyone under 45 watch this? Is it housewife type "reality" craziness or a family reunion where anytime elders are confronted, they go to "little girl" talk & try to treat younger cast members like children because I don't see how that's sustainable long term.

My daughter and I are on episode 6 and so far Julie is a textbook the most picky me, pretend girl boss. Then when called on it, you're controlling. Unprompted, one of my kids asked "mom, did they have pick me's in school when u were younger?" after seeing her antics in ep 5. 😆