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Seeing as I was someone who loved and shipped the Buffy/Angel ship back in the day - even held on through Season 3 when most people got cross-eyed at the constant angst-rehash of it - I should have been onboard with Stelena. And yet that relationship never worked for me. They got the epic scenes and the rousing speeches and the teary looks and everything and I believe both actors are very talented but as a ship they just put me off. Because they seemed to bring out in each other what most bothered me about their respective characters. Especially Stefan. Elena back then was still so young and certainly inexperienced about the world of the Supernatural so there was a human naivety to her so it`s hard to fully assess her character. In the beginning, at least the first half of Season 1, Damon was actually the villain of the show. Stefan, in opposition, was clearly the hero. The dark, brooding vampire who hated his vampiric existance and found love with a beautiful human girl. But I think in the beginning, they hit the "hero" note actually too hard with him. He had a problem with controlling his bloodlust and I enjoyed when that first came out during the Miss Mystic Falls really. It gave the character a much needed edge IMO. But still there was stuff like "even in death, your soul is too pure" and that stuff really puts me off. In his relationship with Elena, that got heightened, though. He was the GOOD guy and the GOOD girl loved him because she saw how GOOD he was and told him so and yada yada. Once his previous Ripperdom started to come out bit by bit and I got to see the extent to which Stefan clung to his self image as the good guy who acted as if "the Ripper" was a foreign entity to him, they were doomed to me because Elena mirrors that self-image fixation so she fed an attitude in Stefan I wanted him to break out of yesterday. Meanwhile Damon and Elena actually had some scenes in Seasons 1 and 2 that sizzled with chemistry. Much moreso than they had in the years since they got together. I got that it would have made no sense narratively to put the characters together back then but I wanted them to anyway. I will say that they mangled the writing to actually bring Delena together and their subsequent relationship almost beyond belief. There was some atrocious storytelling in there. But the pairing was always much preferable to Stelena for me. Stefan/Caroline is a bit weird right now. They used to have such a fun energy and now things are very awkward because I can`t get from Stefan if he truly feels only friendship or if there is supposed to be something more. I could get behind that. They were in such a bad place with each other when the show started and look at them now. Falling for the same doppelganger nearly ruined them back in the day and doing it twice brought them close to going over the edge a couple of times but ultimately all the Elena-centricness and their love for her forced them to spend years with each other in one place pretty much. And lo and behold, they rediscovered their bond.

While this is true, this is a downside more for everyone else, not the vampire in question. And vampirism having negative consequences for the non-vampires, that is unquestionably so. Humans seem to be there to be fed upon, compelled and sometimes used for menial tasks. So I`d say on this show it`s humanity that has lots and lots of downsides. Vampirism, not so much.

Well, witches are the worst beings in that fictional universe. Now with the Gemini coven, I think we are seeing that again despite members shown in a sympathetic light. But as a rule witches casting moral judgment on something means nothing to me within the show. It`s more obvious on the Originals but even on TVD, worst.fuckups.ever. And more monstrous than any other monsters so they can shove their disdain. As for vampirism in general, I still think they convey little downsides to it. They are all eternal studs, they are not bothered by the sun, bloodlust seems a problem for noone anymore, the ability to compel yourself goods and compel away problems is just awesomely awesome and if you want to do some good, your superblood even cures all ills. If I had that choice, I would run, not walk to becoming one. Alaric expressed happiness about being a human again and for the life of me, I could not truly understand why. I mean, I get why the character would probably react like it but intellectually I can not remotely understand it.

Me neither. Because I thought Jo`s entire magic was in that knife, therefore if a witch merged with her, they would get absolutely nothing from it, only keep their own power. Which, in Kai`s case, is also no power of his own. Zero plus zero or zero times zero still equals zero. Maybe Papa Gemini is very, very bad at math? "Merging" with the knife on the other hand should have given Kai the whatjamagic he would have gotten from merging with real life Josette back in the day. I guess this is another thing the show didn`t think through again. It`s like the "rules" for the compulsion not being lifted upon Alaric`s "death" or the crossing the border not working and all that nonsense. Easy solution would be to imprison him in New Mystic Falls. Lets see him try and steal magic there. A wonder that coven didn`t go extinct if they have a) such stupidly rigid rules and b) a complete inability to adapt. What if someone wiped out the entire family and thus killed any chance for a new leader to arise? Maybe Kai was so different because he was born with a brain. That scene made no sense whatsoever. He went to killing his daughter in five seconds flat. When not only was Kai not out but he had tried nothing, absolutely nothing else. Damon offered to just kill Kai on the spot. They could put a protective detail on Jo and the twins to flush him out for example. Nope, why bother? Back in Season 3, I sniggered a bit at their twentieth "kill Klaus"-plan but at least to put in some effort and explored some avenues. If they thought like Papa Kai, the entire Mystic Falls gang, upon learning Klaus was after Elena, would have committed pre-emptive suicide. Elena so she wouldn`t be used and all the others so they wouldn`t be used against her.

If one-offs count, I thought Dean had great chemistry with Hailey from Wendigo, good one with Andrea from Dead in the Water, another great one with Carmen (with you there) and what was the name of the woman in Monster Movie? They had very good chemistry also. In non-romantic terms, Officer Kathleen from the Benders, Tessa the Reaper (alala, I can`t hear the A-word for her), Charlie and yup, even Krissy the teenager. Oh, and Alaina Huffman`s Abaddon. As a long-term love interest, there pretty much is only Lisa and I did like the character and thought the actress worked nicely together with Jensen. It was just no great sparks. Cassie gave me whiplash, being hot and cold, hot and cold. He also did have chemistry with Bela/Lauren Cohan but I couldn`t enjoy their interactios because she was written to be superior at his expense and this will just never endear a character to me. Ever. Sam, I thought had great chemistry with Sarah and Madison. I saw entirely too little of him with Jess to make an assessment but her recent role in Agents of Shield is the first time I ever liked the actress. There was some weird disturbing chemistry with Jo in the Meg!possessed-scene but it was there IMO. And he has a motherly rapport with Sheriff Jodi. Amelia and him just sucked out the air of any scene they were in. And ironically, I should probably see it with Ruby2 but not all real life couples translate to onscreen sizzle. I mean some do spectacularly but not this one IMO. It`s hard to recall many examples from recent years for either brother. Especially romantic chemistry. Not many scenes that I can recall even. Season 6-ish onward, Cas probably got more action than the brothers combined.

I can more easily see why witches often get the upper hand. Unless the vampire manage to surprise them or they get swarmed in greater numbers, their "instant migraine" spell has proved immensely effective. However with Kai, I just can`t get why a witch would be afraid of him. Not if they knew he can siphon their magic and needs to do it by touch. It would be ridiculously easy to always keep him at arm`s length with a spell at which point he`d be as helpless as a kitten. And why would the Coven HAVE to accept a psychotic creep as a leader? He wouldn`t get magical powers from Jo even with merging so he`d be stuck with his own "powers". Any old magical being could still easily kill him. Heck, any vampire, werewolf or human could do it. And yet his father acts like they are about to free Lucifer himself. At least the other Big Bad threats legitimately HAD greater powers than the main characters. I find Kai interesting as a character and his kind of "magic" interesting as well but the whole sending-him-to-the-prison-world in the first place as well as the reaction now would only make sense if he was a Super-Witch who could incinerate them all with a thought.

That`s the thing, though, that makes it really, really hard to suspend my disbelief on him. Everyone acts like he IS kinda super-duper-powered and all have to tremble in fear. His father hears one whiff of him maybe getting out and immediately goes to trying to murder his daughter to OMG-stop the evil Kai. I get that he can absorb magic by touching someone or something magic. And he did slaughter a bunch of his siblings, presumably little kids. If I`m gracious, I`ll think he surprised Jo. Because otherwise, any witch can snap his neck or give him a witchy migraine or boil his blood from a distance without breaking a sweat. Noone HAS to let him come close enough to touch them and siphon their magic. This is what made the scene where he first showed off his ability in the Salvatore kitchen and threatened Bonnie and Damon with killing them. Now granted, he surprised them there. But after that point, the little bit of magic he drained from Bonnie to show off seemed to be gone soon enough. So why in all the heavens was he still considered a threat then? Bonnie didn`t need to ever let him close enough to touch her. Damon could have easily kept him away, too. What would he have threatened them with then? To throw pork rinds at them? If supernatural beings used their powers on him correctly, he`d be a threat to absolutely noone.

I do think at first such a thing goes against their image of her as the "pure one" but then they tend to see it as her being limitless in her loving forgiveness. That she "feels too much/cares too much/loves too much". And while they might consider themselves undeserving of such grace, they crave it nonetheless. Damon did call her out on her penchant to make excuses for those she loves, especially him last Season. Which, I think, he was right about. Just not sure he saw that her tendencies of denial also work towards herself. Maybe more than towards others. I always thought Elena likes to see herself as the good one, the pure and forgiving one. She needs that self-image and has a hard time acknowledging darkness in herself or others. I mean, when Stefan had amnesia and she brought him up to speed on their relationship, she basically claimed his murderous past or days of Ripperdom were never the problem. Now okay, it would unfair to say that they were root of destroying their relationship but it`s not like they contributed to nothing. No matter how much Elena pretended to forget. Stefan IMO initially sought a redemption in some way through loving her and most especially getting her love. If the good, sweet human girl could love him, he could be good enough for her and be redeemed. Yada yada. With Damon it`s harder to say. I`m not sure he chased redemption with such conscious thought. He was just very aware what was expected of him to remain in her good graces. And in all fairness, as long as he was happy and his temper didn`t have a chance to get the best of him, he was reasonably stable. Didn`t happen for very long stretches but some. Elena on the other hand, I think it reinforced her image. Damon, the "darker" brother (debatable in an objective sense but for appearance sake) was "tamed" by her love, The reformed serial killer was like a kitten purring in her lap if/when she wanted. There was once a scene back in Season 2, I think, when Caroline got napped by the werewolves, Elena was still human then and she was asking Damon to not be murderous pretty much. She used the soft voice and the doe eyes and the touching him gently. And he twitched and point blank told her to stop doing that, stop assuming he`d be the good guy if only SHE was the one asking. In response? She used more soft voice, doe eyes and gentle touching because IMO she knew her power over him. It wasn`t necessary that he pointed it out. And if she wanted to, she could always get him to crumble. Maybe short of any action involving personal danger to her. I could see how power like that could be exhilerating, even subconsciously. Now I`ve no doubt there were other factors on why she fell for him, ironically because he allowed her to let her own darkness out a bit without feeling too bad or guilty about it but even partly taming someone like Damon would be a big cheque into the "I must be a good person if my love redeems even such sins" image. You wouldn`t want evidence to the contrary intrude then. Of course, I always thought, since she got together with either Stefan and Damon, making judgments on their past-past, i.e. anything they did before she met them, would be ludicrous. With Stefan she knew later in their relationship he used to be a brutal killer whereas with Damon she knew right away but once she did? Learning new pieces and whom they killed specifically and why shouldn`t change the basic knowledge and that she decided to ignore it. So Damon killing the Augustine society and most of the Whitmore clan in past decades shouldn`t make a difference IMO but the aunt he did in WHILE already in a happy relationship with Elena? Different ballgame.

But I also don`t think it should be tabu to show scenes a certain way. Pinning a demon to kill them? It is often your best chance or at least a great draw of luck that you would be able to immobilize (at least for a time) an opponent you are otherwise physically inferior to. You need every dirty trick in the book then. And since they have foregone exorcisms and the knife, angel blades and the Colt are the only weapons they have to kill demons, most killings will be stabbings. Mainly in the gut/chest area because in a fight, you should always aim for the biggest mass. And it`s the most natural move. Stabbing someone in the neck would be no less violent and would look much weirder. So by necessity, 95 % of their demon kills will look like that. By their own rules, they can`t do much different, no matter what the demon looks like.

I get that. Yet - and I realize that it is deeply ironic that actual defense of the writers here is coming from me - I don`t think you can say it`s an intended message then if you ignore context completely. I`m very skeevy about anything involving with eyes, too, so if I watched a documentary on eye operations or a slasher fic where someone`s eye was gouged out, I would cringe. But I wouldn`t say the people who produced the documentary did it for nothing else than to show some gory scenes when the purpose might be clearly educational. Same as I can not see it as the same if some human innocent women would be held down by a stronger man who tries to force himself on her and a superpowered demon only looking like some young woman who manages to get bested by a male hunter in defense of people. Both scenes might make one visually cringe but the first may be glorifying sexual violence, the other would be about taking down a killer and being a hero. And if that is taken as sexist, then the only solution would be to a) give female villains a pass on everything and put their comfort over everything ever or b) never cast women as villains because they are too sacrosanct for that. Neither works for me. I think it was the same with Alistair and Dean, a bit more veiled but IMO also implied. It has just fallen to the wayside somewhat since once Sam went to the worst hell ever, they actually called Dean`s torture onscreen "Disneyland" in comparism. Azazel used a sexualized approach to Dean, both when he possessed John and then Samuel Campbell. Abaddon had that "grab his face and threaten him with demon penetration" scene. There was also this Dean walks into a sex dungeon and the "Chief" makes an innuendo or the vampire tells him he is pretty, then grabs and bites him scene. So it does happen to the male characters and the leads as well. Actually a lot to Dean when I think about it. And most responses I see to that is either "so hot" (Abaddon), "haha, funny" (Chief) and even some "he has it coming for being such a bully". I will agree that the writers are often tone-deaf. Those are the people that wrote the "how gay are you" in response to someone knowing the most well-known fairytales in history. Because that makes sense. Guys knowing what Sleeping Beauty means is guy-code for "gay". What`s next, knowing what "coffee" is means you are gay? Ridiculous. Back in Season 1 in the "racism will jump into your face" episode with Racist Truck, someone was recounting how it was back then in the South with a mixed couple and lynching of black people and Dean asks in sincerity why they didn`t go to the cops. That line was idiotic. Recently we had the dog-fucking insinuations that made me hope none of these writers actually have dogs, least of all the nepotism duo. The black woman who calls her warlock dude master, transforms into a literal bitch and wears a collar at all times. Gee, that was not offensive at all, guys. I`m sure, though, they did not even see this. They`ve tried to handle gender issues, racism, consent, sexual issues, religion and usually find a deep hole to jump headfirst in it because of lack of taste.

But say it was the other way around, a demon in a female vessel going around killing innocent men. Or even killing hunters who would fight it to protect others. Which would make perfect sense for a demon. However, would it visually look like female empowerment, just because it is a woman exercising power over men? Would the context of the scene and characters not matter at all to inform the viewing of it? Because that`s how I couldn`t watch. I`d see a killer and would always cheer for them to be put down, no matter the gender. We saw Lilith, in child form and later as an adult woman. Apparently she tortured families for kicks and fun. Coming off a scene like that, if a hunter saw this and called her a slur, do sympathies actually turn to her on the spot? And screw what she just did, it`s more important to respect her and someone defending that family is a worse monster just for calling her names? In real life I`d never say a woman who slaughtered people for fun was actually better then a man who called her names. Or think "oh, that poor thing, why did that vile man not show her proper respect". This would IMO never be true to a male demon so I don`t think it should be for a female one. To me that sends a horrible message and is as far from respect for women as could be. I`m not remotely saying the show is good with female characters but swinging the pendulum completely the other way would be just as bad in my eyes.

But I do believe if he had made those kills with basically the same motivations, he still would have been reprimanded in some way whereas Caroline wasn`t. Which means it isn`t the action itself that is condemned but the perpetrator. I know Damon brings a different kind of history with him than Caroline when it comes to immoral acts but I always find it hypocritical when the show basically says that a deeply immoral act, taken by itself, is either fully okay or heinous depending on who commited it. Killing Luke, I get the motivation for the gang. I would have gotten it from everybody. If Damon had done it to bring his brother back, it wouldn`t be any better or worse than Caroline doing it to bring her friend back. It`s even the same person. Same if Elena had done it or Jeremy or was anybody else left? Matt? But it would have been fucked up for each of them, Damon no worse and Caroline no better than any of them. And with Luke, Caroline wasn`t even the slightest bit sorry, she was basically going "ha, in your face, Liv". As Damon probably would have been, too. That`s true, they all have a tribal mentality unlike anything I have ever seen. And even with that there is a hierarchy with Elena clearly at the top. She is the saintified one, the one who needs to be protected and shielded above all. It`s not even that she asks for it, well, lately she might. But the other tribe members pretty much willingly fall on their swords for her. With the charge led whoever Salvatore brother is her beau. I also think because she is considered so special, the very idea of calling her out on stuff they might call out each other for (at least minimally) wouldn`t enter their minds. That Damon even did so much as make a sarcastic snap about her erasing their relationship was unusual in my eyes. She is pretty sacrosanct to him. Stefan has only moved away from this mindset of seeing her as a Madonna once he truly seemed to fall out of romantic love with her. I liked his bitterness outbreak even better when she pontificated to him about healthy coping mechanisms for grief and he jus had it. He treated her as a friend then, not a romantic love and that gave him a certain power in the relationship back. A dignity that is not allowed to whoever will be her current beau. This Liam guy can consider himself lucky because I never got that she even like-liked him. She was somewhat impressed with the good boy/hero image but the relationship was framed as "good for me". So any exchangeable nice guy with good prospects would have done. But personal sparks and chemistry? At least with Aaron I saw a tiny bit though not exactly romantic either.

I may not be Sam`s greatest fan but that Ruby was so full of it and delusional that SHE felt HE had to be honored by what she "bestowed" upon him is not his fault. I that had been a male demon doing it to a female hunter, the connotations would be "smug fucker, actually expects her to be grateful for being betrayed". Why is it different the other way around? Why would Sam not have the right to be utterly disgusted by her? To hate her for what she did and act accordingly? A demon`s feelings and gloating over starting the apocalypse hold no priority for me, Azazel gloated some, too, and I`ve never seen anyone people/the Wincehsters had to be respectful of his poor little feelings. As for having a knife trust into her stomach against her will, Azazel got a bullet into his brain against his will. Every demon they ever killed with the knife had it happen to them against their will. Of each gender. Now the vessels are something else, they surely didn`t deserve to die if they could have been saved. Unless maybe in the heat of battle when all bets are off. But the demon itself, why would it deserve consideration? The people that demon hurt and killed and allowed to be hurt, what do they count for? Did it not happen against their will, too? And fighting back, demons on this show are superstrong and often possess powers like teleportation. So, technically, Ruby should have been able to easily shake Sam loose. That she didn`t was a plot convenience of that scene but in general why should a hunter prostrate themselves for a demon and allow them every opportunity to fight back? Or does that only go for female demons? I`m really not seeing why demons wearing female shapes should be treated with kid gloves no matter what they do. So basically, if Azazel was wearing a female vessel at the time he was killed, Dean should not have shot him like that but asked him for a fair duel in hand to hand? That would be insane to me.

I think Dean buys into the same pre-established notion about intelligence that Sam does, most other characters do in the 200+ episodes show, the writers do and, from what I`m seeing, lots of viewers do: smart = level of accumulated knowledge, high scores in standardized tests and the level of educational degree, dumb = everything else. Since Sam groups himself in the former, this is where he feels superior and shows it. Dean groups himself in the latter so he feels self-conscious and maybe sometimes defensive about it. Since the show is written by people who apparently don`t know what intelligence is and what it even meassures (roughly the capability of abstract problem-solving), it`s no wonder no character can show a true understand of it. And since society holds these notiions as well and perpetuates these stereotypes, the writers and their falsities are embraced. And that is not even taking into account that people with exceptionally high IQs have generally low EQs and that is an area where they can be easily exploited, leading them to be Dumby McDumberson. Ruby annoyed me in both incarnations, save for a few scenes with Ruby 1. However, version 2 was a disaster in my eyes. I have not seen Cortese in anything else but I felt she didn`t play demon but smitten girlfriend. And if that was real-life character-bleed, it`s not a sign of great acting talent. Katie Cassidy didn`t much impress me either, on SPN or now on Arrow but I think she did a great job on this murder mystery mini series whose name escapes me now. Granted, Ruby 2 was in no way helped by the writing which turned her into someone I did not recognize as a demon. For comparism, Meg 2 seemed to actually develop genuine feelings for Cas and I think Rachel Miner did a good job in bringing in some emotional vulnerability while still keeping the character intact. If you put in Cortese as the doe-eyed innocent in a Jane Austen movie, I could see it work. In SPN, I found her miscast. And I don`t think one has to like and cheer every actress just to support the gender. Or that criticism of an actress is misogyny or something. I dislike a performance or performer, no matter the gender, I will criticize. Maybe chlld actors get more leeway because, come on. As for Ruby 2 death, I fist-pumped because I loved that scene. And I don`t think a male demon would have gotten any other treatment. She had manipulated Sam into breaking the final scene and there is is gloating and giving him the "well, I`m sure you will get over it, now give me my kudso" and Dean the "haha, you are too late" speech. What did she expect them to do? For Dean to go "well, if I`m too late, I guess I`ll go" and for Sam to shrug and kiss her? THAT was true hubris and stupidity. She was also still a demon and therefore physically stronger than a human if we get down to it. So should a human hunter of any gender be obliged to fight all gentleman-like against demons in female vessels? Should those be spared no matter what they do while their male counterparts get knifed on the spot? And while "female" demons (lets say the distorted soul used to be that of a woman) can apparently kill and do whatever they want but words of insult spoken to them takes it too far? I would hate all that. I would never want female characters to receive such bouncy bouncy baby treatments. To me THAT would be disrespectful to women.

Apart from being convoluted for plot reasons - Damon could have easily fed Bonnie his blood or grabbed her quickly while they both went through, it`s called super-speed but then the show has a pretty big precedent for that because I will never understand how Stefan with superstrength and speed couldn`t have saved both Elena and Matt from drowning in time, like he couldn`t have carried both to the surface at once, urgh - I think Bonnie sacrificed herself because she apparently believed, she wouldn`t make it, i.e. she would die soon. So she wanted one of them at least to go home and back to their loved one. So, frankly, I could very well see her being annoyed that she does all that to give at least Damon a happy-end and what do you know, Elena went and erased him. If I were Bonnie, I`d throw up my hands in disgust, all "why do I even bother". In that vein alone, it would make sense to me that she would counsel Elena more in the Delena direction than otherwise. And I do believe she sees Damon in a friendly manner now. At the very least she believes in the possibility of redemption for him. Ignoring past actions is also something the entire gang does and out of all of them, Damon was usually the one most held responsible. Which is a low bar and was partly due to him being the least stable and the one most prone to go really bonkers under emotional duress but there is also something of a double standard, I feel. For instance, had it been Damon killing the twelve witches in the third Expression triangle massacre to prevent Bonnie`s death or had it been Damon killing Luke to get Liv to cooperate, the reactions likely would have been shocked outrage and "Damon, how could you do that, you and your murderous ways". Since it was Caroline, it was literally forgotten the second after it happened. Which is show hypocrisy. The same as when Emotionless!Elena got all righteous to Elijah about Kaherine killing her brother allthewhile it wasn`t long ago, she had happily participated in killing Elijah`s brother. Do the writers not see this? Also, I agree about Elena framing the getting Bonnie back as a) her idea and b) for the purpose of her relationship with Damon. A much better and cuter line would have been something like "hey, is there room for one more on your Save Bonnie-team because I`d like to join up."

Well, how a character feels about their or other people`s choices is another thing. And you can`t control feelings. Sam hasn`t been happy about a lot of his or Dean`s decisions either. I think he regarded Dean staying with John as negatively as Dean regarded Sam going off to College. Not in the same way but if you think of something as disloyal or as pathetic, it`s a negative judgement either way.

I don`t think Dean demanded it and I agree it was Sam`s decision, made for his own motivations. I was arguing against saintifying Sam for it. Again, I agree. Like I said, arrogance has always been the character`s biggest flaw for me. I don`t necessarily even have a problem with it. Just with the way I think the show doesn`t see it as one or doesn`t see him having flaws. I was just addressing the notion that Sam had no arrogance, condescension or other negative traits named before which I disagree with. Dean has flaws, it would be ridiculous to say otherwise. I know there is a "Sam is better than Jesus" movement on tumblr, I just epically disagree with all of it.

Then I would hope he keeps the Mark for a long time. Sam was "other" and superhuman for years on end. For Dean it`s only been half a Season and change so far. I`d would want him to be super for a couple years, too.

I didn`t see him as so awkward with woman and I had no problem with the Suzy hookup, didn´t think he was pushy and/or desperate or anything. Both were into the sexytimes and I found it fun. But my point remains that if someone is a certain level of good-looking, they would probably need to slaughter a puppy in front of a woman to put them off. In my experience, nearly nothing counteracts exceptionally good looks. When they want to get laid, they always have an easy time, no matter how awkward or weird they act. And Dean doesn`t even do the latter so much.

I see him as human, too. He might be supernaturally special but he only literally changed species for three short episodes. And one ep as a vampire. Sam has been supernaturally special for 98 % of the show but he was still human too. Cain is, I believe, a demon himself so not human.

That still makes no sense at all to me. The first thing you notice about a person are their looks. So if he wants a hook-up - anywhere - he just has to sit somewhere and smile. Every town has bars or something. Women can´t look into his head and I`m sure he can manage sitting, smiling, buying a drink and then going off to have sex. That said, the episode was better than I thought. The angel storyline is like valium though. Cole being wrapped up like that was predictable. Of course his father was a monster. Why else would flashback Dean kill him? I find it a bit silly though that in "monster " families, everyone wouldn`t know what species they are, though. Seriously?

Dean broke the first seal unknowingly under duress. Then there were numerous seals broken by the bad guys. In terms of Sam breaking the last one, it holds a bit more negative weight for me that Sam fell under Ruby`s sway because he liked how she made him feel strong and he ultimately killed Lilith because she laughed at him and hurt his pride. When Ruby told him how nicely she had played him, I thought : can I get another reading on the "I`m stronger, smarter, better" line now? Definitely saw arrogance as his worst negative trait throughout the entire series. It`s one they never really worked on either so it`s still my major problem. as for 'selfish', he gave up his friends, his schooling and his career for Dean. When he first went with him? That was done out of his own motivation to want to avenge Jessica. Then later because he found out there was a "destiny" waiting for him that very well meant he couldn`t go back to a normal life.

All things that very much entice me to watch. Not. I don`t care to watch characters I like humiliated like this. And less so to have characters I don`t like mock them for it. And yet in this clip he delivers the standard clichéd line that the nerdy, "un-hot" guy gives either to their hot friends or equal nerdy friends whenever they warn them that something is too good to be true and most likely a honey trap. The "is is so unrealistic a woman could find me attractive" line. Dean is not the kind of guy who asks questions like that. The characters on Big Bang Theory are. This implies that poor unattractive Dean gets defensive about his prospects with woman while of Sam (of course he is a stud for whom the show never implicated that) councels. Bullshit. When they looked at the picture of Shaylene and concluded she is hot, well, so is Dean. This is a "tens go for tens" situation. It`s not a three wondering why a ten would go out with them. Of course, it can and will be a trap but giving Dean Winchester of all people the lines of the "can`t get laid" guy is obnoxious and ridiculous. I don`t see it as unusual. He is straightforward hot enough to pull it off. House once riffed on that with the Chase character by betting him that even if he was an ass on a speed dating marathon, he would still wind up with way more phone numbers than the others. Which he did. He ridiculed every woman for their minute or two and yet 95 % gave him the phone number just because he was so hot. Which, actually, I think is pretty accurate for each gender. If it`s just about a hook-up, a smoking hot person can get away with nearly literal murder and they will still score. After all, you can just pretend or tune them out or something and bask in the glory. So if someone could put their real life picture up on a dating app, get accosted by a beautiful woman and have it be exactly what it seems to be? Dean would be it. CW characters in general would be it.

The audition scene was from the pre-revised script, wasn`t it? I remember thinking that in the script, the Sam-character earlier made the point about going his own way and not sacrificing everything for some "duty to society", i.e. to do hunting. Which, so far, so show. But then miraculously, when they find a hunt, Dean wants to just leave the case and first-script-Sam is all "but we have a duty to save people, it`s callous to just leave them for your own goals". So Dean was just a dark opposing figure to show Sam in a better light by comparism. And both scenes were written with the underlying tone of Sam was right in each case. Seriously, Kripke, you wrote your guy to switch life philosophies when convenient in the span of a few script pages to magically be the right one in every situation? And not come across like a flaming hypocrite? Luckily, someone, most likely Kim Manners, probably slapped him over the head with it but I think that was a very blatant "I`m the younger sibling who went away and my mean bully family is wrong, wrong, wrong and the world will see my greatness." autobiographical issue of Kripke`s. Unfortunately, he never quite let that go. Making Sam the messiah who saved the world and Dean`s lesson, as per Kripke, to have to learn to love and appreciate Sam just right? Reminded me of a diary entry of an angry teenager, phantasizing about his home town throwing him this parade after all.

I think it`s supposed to be a joke at the character`s expense. I`m sure the woman will turn out to be fishy and Sam will laugh and mock because dumb!Dean - who apparently can`t get laid - used a dating app and was (falsely) full of himself about his own attractiveness. And the idea came from the throwaway question at Comic Con. I just find the entire concept ridiculous. They`ve never implied that Sam couldn`t get laid so the implication that Dean needs an app for it is silly. Quite frankly, I know a number of people for whom Dean is way hotter. If I had a choice between them, I would be the elbow and Sam out of the way. The only guy I can recall on the show who can even compete (not win but compete) for me is the actor who was playing young John, Matt Cohen. So, I will brace myself for some annoying gag time and Sam hahahaha-ing about it. Maybe the fast-forward button will be a good idea again.