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It's a form of emotional abuse. To understand it means diving into the inner workings of their religion (which they seem very reluctant to do). Girls are raised that their greatest role is that of wife and mother. Within the poly world they have to put on a smile and suck up all those irritating human emotions. Kody stated clearly on camera that the emotional well being of his wives is not his problem. And during that lovely anniversary trip with Christine to Galveston Tx, he really proved it. He is big picture only and since "the wives signed up for this" it's too bad, so sad if you are having issues. Put on a smile, swallow those anti-depressants with a glug of wine and make life fun for your husband. If you don't, well the next wife will. Meri is harsh with her words. She calls it "speaking her mind", but I suspect we see early Meri in the Mariah of today. Slowly over time of Meri being the black cloud of the bunch they all learn to curb their words, tip toe around what Meri wants etc. Then years go by and Meri doesn't have the same voice with the addition of Robyn, and is now the big big victim. Poor Meri can't say what she wants anymore...""gee I'll just hurt someone if I speak my mind, I'll just sit here in the corner of the family function and keep my big mean mouth shut."" I'm being very very sarcastic obviously 😉 Way back when they were all talking to that other family (Dargers?) and the wives said "hey, if you do another reset you should try sharing the kitchen". Meri's FIRST response, is "but. but. don't you want to decorate it the way YOU want!?" And they look at her and remind her that in the great celestial theme of poly life that is meaningless. And then jump to that conversation with Christine about how Meri has so much baggage she drags with her and Meri admits that she is open and has fun with her friends. DUH. She can just be herself with friends because they aren't sleeping with her damn husband and she isn't "required by god" to suck it up and smile for the sake of all eternity. All these bullshit posts about how much fun she's having in her LuluNo sponsored life plays two roles. First it is a part of the whole MLM structure. You have to make your life look like it's one big party so those newbies will jump on the sinking ship. And second, pound it into the face of her "family" that "she can do it all on her own...".🙄

Those are definitely her hands tho.

I am SO glad that my Instagram feed is filled with pottery, cats, dogs, gardens, knitting, vegetable growers and lots of farm animals

With Robyn and Christine living far away (and busy with their own things) and Meri always off "living her why..." Janelle needs to branch out with friends. It might help perk her and not just sit in that horrid dark room she posted awhile back.

For the life of me I don't remember where I read about Facebook algorithms for "selling" through your facebook pages/groups...but several years ago I read a post about how to NOT get booted by facebook. Most of it boiled down to if you are a spam bot you can post the same thing very fast. So the FB bot police is programed to detect the speed one account posts the same thing. While you can sell things without paying FB as a sponsor you have to do it within their rules (which aren't very clear at. all.) Lets say I'm having a big sale. I have my personal facebook page (which is supposed to be for personal life sharing ONLY) and I have a "business" page, but I don't pay for it to be seen, and I also am a part of 10 groups where I can share my sale announcements. So. Sitting at my computer I can very quickly share the same post on my page, then pop to my business page, then each group. Bam...I'm now flagged as a spammer because I did it so fast. First...you can share selling things on your page, but there is a percentage of sale/personal because it is supposed to be your personal page. So if you do want to share the same thing you need to be posting it fully not just hitting the share button, because that helps you get flagged. Supposedly there is only so many posts you are allowed to make before you get flagged, warned, then FB jail, then locked out, and you can get full on deleted because in the end, Facebook holds all the power. The fact that Mykelti is making so many of her own "fake" accounts is more than likely helping to get her accounts locked out in the first place. She mentioned using different variations of her name...but in the end it isn't the name but the I.P. address. Due to security in the modern computer world these sites know exactly where you are coming from with your trail. So many fake accounts and spam posts (which is what these kind of sales are...) is just flagging her faster and faster... 🙄 ...another thought...FYI...a normal person commenting on lots of posts in a short amount of time, sharing many posts to your own page and sharing the same thing to multiple groups can get your account flagged as well. Just regular posting etc, it comes down to the speed it all happens.

The realtor girl who was showing them around mentioned that if they wanted it as a pond they would have to line it...because it is only a run off ditch. I don't know about Arizona but if they want to purposely turn it into a pond and stock it with fish they may have to go through fish and wildlife agencies as well as water and environment agencies. And then the whole home owners insurance issue since a pond/water attracts people to your property like a swimming pool and brings rules. But...as with the whole Big House theory...who cares about reality and building codes etc.

Yup, that was Nancy. Her hair is very different and she is older but the same pottery pots are on the table just over their shoulder...🙄 ...I like those pottery pots...

Yes, I remember the scene where they (Meri/Kody) were pressing Mona about "in by Christmas" and Mona made a point on camera to clearly state that since Meri had only gotten her paperwork in a day or two ago there was no way hers was going to be ready for Christmas. Meri's face just froze in a blank look. I have always wondered if the scene was supposed to be Mona being vague and "hopeful" instead of plainly speaking. Christmas wasn't long off and Meri had JUST gotten the papers in. THAT point needed to be driven harder to Mariah/Meri instead of a sniveling Meri barely able to speak....."....Mar Mar Mariah said all she wants for Christmas is to be in the home...snif. snif. snif." 🙄

OH yes. Horses are creatures of habit. There are plenty of stories about working horses that after retiring, will still go through the motions of working. It's all they know at that point. As for Instagram...I don't blame you for going private, it is filled with scammers, hackers and creeps. I thought being a woman in online video game platforms put you out there for weirdos...but wow....Instagram is filled with gift card scams, romance scams and hacking scams. I have lived the "every 12 hour" life for many years now. It started when my Pug was diagnosed with Congestive Heart Disease and spent the last 4 years of his life on a very strict routine schedule/diet and meds every 12 hours. Naturally my other dog thought the pug was getting a treat and HE wasn't. So...every 12 hour treat time for the good boys became the routine. The cat quickly caught on that the dogs were getting treats and SHE wasn't. So she was then included with a little kitty treat. My pug passed a year and a half ago, but the treats still continue. While my Heeler (Australian Cattle Dog) knows full well the treat is coming and will watch closely and wait patiently, my cat will NOT be patient and waltzes up to me and stabs me in the leg if I am "behind schedule". And yes, who knows if Maddie is exaggerating Axel's behavior for her captive online audience, but her description of what he did after finding an empty candy wrapper in the diaper bag and the violent rage that followed (demanding a piece of non existent candy) led me to believe that he has used rage and violence to get what he wants(more than just the binkie wars). Escalate to rage over binkie and get back binkie. His reaction to demanding candy is the same, but there is no candy to be had...so he then takes it up a notch now "trashing" the living room and trying to flip the television etc. The whole penis thing is essentially the same. Axel wants attention and tries a....then tries b.....then c etc etc. Those don't work. Either on purpose or just by living his random life...whip out penis and play about and BAM...attention and fast. So...next time he wants attention he just skips what doesn't work a, b, and c and skips straight to the penis again. Instant attention(negative attention is still attention). The ramifications can be seen by us older folks 😉 If Axel thinks attention is received after he exposes himself he will more than likely try that technique in public or in school. etc Axel most certainly went through considerable stress after they moved to NC. His whole life is surrounded by the family. Even tho Maddie/Caleb moved to just a half block away from the LV cul-de-sac I'm sure they co-mingled with regularity. So they move and now he just has mum and sometimes Dad, not sure of when Maddie gave up the LuLastuff or if she has replaced it with something else to keep her occupied, but I doubt he had her full attention after the move and then she's pregnant again and now an angry and frustrated toddler and a newborn keeps her busy. I know all these years that Maddie has seemed to be a more mature person, mostly because she spoke her mind and kinda "seemed" more mature. But she is only older than Mykelti by months and as Sandy W mentioned above, Maddie plays to the cameras. Even Janelle has casually mentioned on camera about her fear that Maddie would get sidetracked in college over "some boy" and the adults first question when she said she wanted to be baptized into the LDS church was "is it because of some boy". She is honestly quite young to be a mother of 2 and very far away from a family support system she has always been able to depend on. Just an afterthought...I'm sure it goes deeper and more complex by people who know way more on the subject than me, but negative reinforcement can last a lifetime and can instantly erase all the positive that came before it.

I am a mother of two that were born 3 1/2 years apart. 1st born son, 2nd born daughter. I have lived through my share of tantrums but nothing in my memory comes close to what is described with Axel's behavior. I come from a rough upbringing and am very sensitive to voice tone and word choices, so I was on top of how my kids were spoken to with age appropriate reasoning etc. Robyn's baby talk on the show makes me gnash my teeth. I HATE baby talk. Both of my kids communicate very differently and so I recognized early on that I had to communicate differently to each of them...as well as I had to intervene and teach THEM to communicate with each other. The #1 thing a parent MUST do is have a really good structured schedule. It is easier for a toddler to learn patience when they know that their time is coming...and their time comes with consistency. NOT "later...later....later" when later never comes. In my experience, training a young toddler and training a dog are very very similar as to the consistent structure and positive behavior reinforcement. I get rage tho. I was rage filled in my late teens and early 20s. If it doesn't have a medical cause he is a frustrated little kid. I have seen in my husband's family the young cousins don't have structure in their homes and those little ones were prone to progressively more destructive and negative behavior simply because they really got zero attention from their parents. Basically a "keep them from death" kind of parenting. The kids were only really noticed or given attention to be screamed at etc. We have little or no contact with that leg of the family. It's just too difficult(and insanely stressful) to have to visit in that negative environment. I agree with others that Maddie is one of the older kids, she should at least get toddlers/babies etc. But. She wasn't one of the nurturing kids. Logan and Aspyn are the two who were the helpers and child minders. She is one of the kids who was cared for by the slightly older kids and then while the older ones were helping with the younger ones...she just blended in and maybe helped in a "second string" kind of way. Logan going to uni affected her greatly because she was losing as she said her "best friend" but in reality he was more of a father to her than Kody. Maddie once said on camera aways back...when the subject was Robyn's kids being picked on by the Brown kids, that her take on it was HER siblings were expected to keep themselves entertained with each other and deal with their own issues instead of bothering the adults constantly. She grew up surrounded with similar age kids in the same house/family. Constant noise, constant distractions. Based on Christine and Janelle's comments at the time about "don't bother us unless bones are broken", and Christine saying "oh...a sign that my kids accept your kids is the fact that they are picking on them...(when her Paedon was one of the ones really picking hard on Robyn's kids)" tells me that Maddies young life was siblings together and working out the pecking order etc on their own. She is most likely honestly clueless about what one Mum does with one toddler let alone one Mum having to handle a toddler AND infant (and a growing medical needs infant). I don't remember the exact timeline of her posting about this negative behavior and her moving/family moving etc. When she was in LV, Axel would have probably been around the big family group a lot and being a baby would get a lot of attention. After moving that ends and it's just him with Maddie and now just mum/baby and dad when he gets home. My experience in my youth life is with animals. My original university degree is in animal behaviorism. As a clueless young mother I did what I already knew, animal training. The description of his behavior of looking for a binkie and raging when he can't find it, but continuing to escalate that rage as he searches, makes me wonder if her "weaning" him off the binkie was take it when he isn't looking and hiding it, instead of gradual reduction with structure and rules. Then he comes along and wants it, gets stressed when he can't find it, as a toddler he can't articulate these feelings and his frustration grows into panic. Maybe it's found and he calms down, maybe parents don't want him stressed and cave in and return it to him. But along the way he has learned that for him to be given what he wants he must escalate to a certain level. The more the parents want him to "just give it up..." then they take it more, hide it more....the more he escalated and then they cave. So basically they trained him to this behavior. The overuse of his binkie we have seen recently is his reaction the opposite direction. He is NOT letting go of something precious because losing it in the past has been negative and very stressful. In my armchair keyboard surfing opinion, this kind of little thing leads to bigger things. Broken trust isn't easily repaired, especially from such a young age. Instead of structure and teaching, its closer to being like a mean kind of teasing. Take something and hide it. Wait until someone gets really stressed and return it. Ha Ha. 🙄 My daughter (now 24) and I were talking about the new thing of mother's her age (ish) who put everything out there on social media. She said that probably in 20 years time there will be stories just like the life of Judy Garland or Joan Crawford of children raised by mum's on blogs/social media and what it was like from their perspective. We have a tiny window to instill SO much into our children. To pull a quote from my long ago animal training world...if it takes 6 months to train an animal, it will take 6 years to retrain them.

If I remember correctly someone mentioned that Janelle's rental has not allowed filming, so there is zero reason to have it camera ready....ever.

This really creeps me out. I mean...she is looking for sympathy from the masses...but at the same time piggy backing off of someone else's very recent pain of a miscarriage. ...and...because I really don't know. When you do have a miscarriage, do they honestly tell you the sex of the fetus? If Meri was very very positive that she was carrying a boy when she miscarried, that could explain why she is so hung up on Mariah being "just a girl" and very obsessed with Solomon when he was born, let alone the whole "dreaming that she would finally get a son when Mariah was married"

Is that Ranch dressing? I can't stand ranch in any way, shape or form...bleck... But I know some seem to live on it ( hem hem Janelle...). I'm not 100% sure what the bottle looks like tho...

I don't know, maybe it's just me...but does Savannah always seem like she is pushed to the back or maybe she is just reserved and doesn't choose to be front and center with the camera crazed crowd selfies.

I thought it looked like butterscotch pudding... When was it made!? It's in a giant tupperware bowl with condensate on the lid....was it made last week and then microwaved?? 😲 I don't make my turkey gravy from turkey drippings...I still have the professional habit of making a vat of turkey stock at the beginning of the week or at least a day or two in advance and then making the gravy so it's ready when the turkey is resting.

Yea. I have a fuzzy fleese lined heavy duty hooded sweatshirt that I bought at the local farm store on clearance for $12. With the hood up and a good pair of gloves I can get a lot of work done outside in 20degrees F. Not fashion stuff but a good hearty jacket. Fashion isn't my thing by a long shot, I'm a farm girl.

Yes. I thought the same thing. At her age serotonin is more and more important. She needs more than a facial sun bath for 5 minutes in the morning. Meanwhile all of her sister wives are in big big houses with lots of those (so scary) trees and big windows and beautiful views. Janelle sits in that sad room being...well...sad. Based on the timing of them moving I'm assuming that she has continued the lease in her house. Her built in frugality will stop her from moving to a nicer place now that they have settled in Flag.

OOOOOOooooo Okay photoshop experts!! Mash up for the Holidays! Mariah "posing" within the elf on the shelf madness 😁

a way to get a whole lot of people to post facial selfies so that facial recognition software algorithms can mass save them? ....removes foil hat an sets it on the shelf...

It looks like the material is stretched by her arm, but the jacket/shirt has a shoulder pad in it, so it's lifted up on her shoulder and the material is stretched, creating that void space making the "dip"

a metric shit ton more like...

Robyn no longer looks younger than the rest of them.

Yes, several Lulano and other MLM videos have spoken on how people are pushed to make their lives look lavish and OH SO "perfect"

Maybe we need a "Where Is Annie!!??" movement, kinda like the Where's Shelly over with the $cientologist$

Exactly!! I have seen some pages where the mums are those lifestyle bloggers with perfect pictures and all the perfect set up scenes with their children. I don't see "perfection" in these photos...I see kids being used for the "family business" online. Kids who are photo props (SO similar to the Browns tv show with "look how normal we are" as their mantra message). It is hard enough to get through the teen years of self doubt/hatred and comparing yourself to others, let alone the new compare yourself to very fake worlds in youtube and Instagram. Then you have the added layer of wondering if you are cherished by family or simply a photo prop. Add all of that to the children being able to go back to their early years to read in black and white these words written in real time about the anger their mother had for them. HOW do you not internalize that? While this is the Maddie thread...it does pop into my head when Meri was describing Mariah's birth (in a couch session) and threw out the tidbit of how Kody saw the umbilical cord and immediately assumed the baby was a boy. Meri then states that he was wrong...silly man...that she "just had a girl..." How devastating for Mariah to hear it put that way from her mother's lips...