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Kody can be summed up with one quote from Shakespeare "All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players" He does not have an authentic self. He performs how he believes he should "look". Way back when they were doing the walk through of the Vegas houses with the builder and then the builder was asked about Kody. He nailed it how Kody was a completely different person with each wife. In this "tell nothing" Kody wasn't answering questions in the moment, he was performing his soliloquy of rage. And...based on what others who know the Batman movies inside and out. Kody got the movie wrong. That quote didn't come from Batman returns.

I remember that she would sell the clothes on the "live" sales and tell people that she needed $50,000 for the co-pay for the surgery. She also would do specials where she gave copies of her recipes and even would sign them etc. On one of these sales she also mentioned that she was also still paying the bill from Truely's hospital stay that cost $450,000. Which also calls B.S. on Kody saying that the family fund covered large expenses for the kids.

But just think of the fun all of us could have reading all three (four if Kody joins in) and then cross checking each story and discussing our conclusions.

Kody lives a transactional life, even with his children. If a child gives him the adoration and behavior that he approves of that child receives his attention in a sea of other children also vying for his attention. Even if he does not approve of their behavior he still may give negative attention...but still giving them some kind of attention. Throw in his constantly changing opinion of the child's mother. If the mother is in good standing with Kody, her children will receive more positive attention. If the mother is not in good standing then the whole unit of mother/children suffers by being ignored while he showers others with overly positive attention. A camera moment that comes to mind is when Robyn and Kody were telling her children the "good news" that their bio dad had signed the papers giving Kody permission to adopt them. The three kids sat stunned and Aurora was smiling but also sobbing. Kody berated them all for not reacting with screams of joy. Then he says "Well at least Aurora is happy....SHE gets a HUG". Teaching the others with words and actions that his favor is only earned when they give the behavior/words that he is demanding. As for Ysabel and her surgery it comes down to his relationship with Christine. He has always seemed to have disdain for her children, even back to the beginning. Aspyn was the exception. After the move to Flagstaff and they were more and more separated he gravitated to less and less contact. Kody is pissed at Christine and so that trickles down to her children. Even something as big as Ysabel's surgery couldn't pull his head out of his ass. He was too busy being angry that Christine didn't force Ysabel to yield to his demands and suffer for another 6-12 months so that he could perform the "supportive father" role with cameras rolling. Kody's wants and needs will always come first, and probably second as well.

My one takeaway from Kody's unhinged trauma dump for the poor realtor. Kody (and crew) paying $800,000+ for 14 acres of land with a catchment drainage ditch because the property has a flood plain and then he throws up his arms and says "We have a pond and I have no idea why it's even here!" The editors are doing well. Just when you think Kody couldn't ever get more stupider or more cruel...the next episode starts and he just keeps getting worse. This is episode 18...when will it end ?

This was about 8 or 9 (ish months) after her surgery. This photo was posted June 2021 her surgery was fall of 2020

He wants to be...

Kody really did choose the wrong wife to settle with. Janelle would have had a chair at a safe distance with a lovely beverage while Kody made an ass out of himself proving what a manly man he was threatening trees with a chainsaw. Instead, there was Robyn wringing her hands till all the rings fell off screaming Kody Kody Kody over and over while he has both hearing protection on AND a running chainsaw in his hands. She's trying to create an accident so that she can tell him "I told you that's too dangerous".

I remember that Zillow photo of the back of the garage! I will admit that I watched the video that someone took when they toured the house when it was up for sale. I was amazed that they didn't clear out all those statues and prints before having people tour the house. Yes, the garage area was packed with stuff and boxes.

It's a really bizarre house for sure. To avoid walking on the slope you could just walk down the stairs and through the garage filled with stuff to get to the parking area. I've always been perplexed at how you drive up and there is no clear "front door" and the door that they use to enter via the kitchen has a little door to the left that opens into a closet....from the outside.

In my opinion, Maddie is one of the kids that has very strong Kody traits. Kody definitely acts very into one idea then magickally changes his mind in the time it takes to walk from one house to another.

What in the sam hell people! I have watched this show for 14 years. I used to regularly RE watch the show and I would have sworn that Kody stated early on that he did NOT go to college. He has stated that his father kicked him out at 18 with $50 and that he did his two year mission. Now he is spewing that he didn't respect his "purity" so that means that poor Meri kept herself a good girl and ended up with "used goods" when she married. Did he tell her this before they got married ? Going with the theory of "every statement is a confession". Back when Kody was raging about Gabe and Garrison living with Janelle and not following his covid demands because they "wanted to get their pencil wet" was him admitting that was something he prioritized over his pure LDS beliefs. I am going to make a blanket statement. But something popped into my head as Kody and Meri talked about their early years. It got me wondering if the reason Meri did not get pregnant wasn't so much as "unknown infertility reasons" but that they didn't "do what you need to do to get pregnant often enough" or if it was more that Kody purposefully sabotaged it in some way even if it was as simple as only having sex in certain windows in the fertility cycle. While he did not even hint at such a thing, we are learning that Kody has been a mean and petty little man from the very very beginning. And for what ever reason he has saved his most cruel pettiness for Meri.

That could be an editors nightmare. Show a scene of Robyn just fine and then cut to a talking head of Robyn talking about the scene, but she is in a Mauve neck brace with a orchid eye patch and a plum arm cast poking out of her flowy floral lilac blouse trying to make us believe that she is talking about something that "just happened yesterday"

Christine did not welcome Tony with open arms. When Mykelti set up the "we want to get married after 5 months of dating" conversation on their Hawaii trip Christine did not have a positive reaction. Mykelti saw how Christine reacted when Maddie (only 8ish months older that her) said she was getting married. Also the family didn't even know Maddie was dating Caleb with marriage intentions at the time Maddie told them. Yet Christine squealed and flung herself at Maddie with the news. Then all the adults had to compare how mature Maddie was and how immature Mykelti was. They were fine with Maddie getting married at her age, but considered Mykelti to be too young. Even Janelle was fired up about how she thought Mykelti was trying to steal the spotlight from Maddie by wanting her wedding to be just weeks after Maddies. Tony has said (on one of their Patreon live broadcasts) that only Robyn showed a positive reaction to him and Mykelti getting married and so he really only had a relationship with Robyn. Both him and Mykelti do seem to poke at Christine a lot, especially on camera. It does make both him and Mykelti look particularly immature.

Maybe the "General Show Discussion " thread ?

Not much to add besides I am a classic introvert. I would rather bury myself alive than go through with any kind of wedding to be picking out dresses and having everyone throw out opinions etc. Ugh. My 34 year marriage started with a $10 fee for the local Justice of the Peace and a $25 marriage certificate. I wouldn't have had it any other way. However, Meri's girls luncheon sparked a tiny memory that she had been spotted and photographed during the lunch with a film crew. A quick search seems to put it around the beginning of August 2023. I guess that's where the timeline is kinda at. Tho it seems to really bounce around. I don't know the name of the church, but it was posted on reddit that the girls did join a local "christian" church, which openly states very strong negative beliefs towards many members of the human race. I never remember learning about the lists of people Jesus said to hate in my grandmother's Presbyterian church when I was growing up.

Personally I think Christine has been trying to be in Kody's good graces for a long time. Way back to the beginning she was always the polygamy cheerleader and made many statements that "monogamists just don't understand!" Making sure to put all of Kody's "good qualities" front and center. Yet blaming herself for all issues when it was pretty obvious that she was wrecked inside watching Kody be the husband/father to Robyn and her kids that SHE wanted him to be with her. I don't think it has ever been stated why exactly Christine bought her Flagstaff house since it was obviously too small even for her and the three girls. She had to take a large family room and turn it into her own bedroom. When Kody did the "presentation" for the Big multi-plex house they packed into Christine's tiny space like sardines. Except for Meri's massive rental, which didn't happen until they were in Flagstaff for a year, Robyn's house was the only one large enough for them to gather.

Most likely the usual carrot on Kody's stick. The family and a house big enough for the family to gather. Meri's house could have been a meeting hall with 2 kitchens and 4 wet bars and 20 bedrooms and it would never be considered for the big gatherings because of Kody not wanting to deal with her. When Robyn was telling them that her house (original rental) was being sold Christine acted shocked and declared that they needed her to have a large house to gather. That may have been the same time Meri stated that her house was available...but got crickets in response.

Happy Thanksgiving! Keeping it simple for my husband and I. Our daughter is away at Naval Officer training so it is just us and the cats. We get to finally see her after Christmas tho. Lots of phone calls to his family as well.

I think people still harp on Meri about the catfishing because she hasn't come fully clean. On the show she stuck with the "made a friend and it all went wrong" story but those who followed the story for that year (2015) watched it all happen. Once the catfish woman began releasing the photos and screenshots it was apparent that Meri was fully involved in an emotional affair. Even tho it was a well executed scam, Meri was all in on her side. Just bring up the mental images of Meri's romantic bare feet in bathtub with candles all around, the infamous banana photo, the softly sensual "come hither" selfie and the horrifying arm photo where she scratched "SAM" into her skin turning it bright red. On one episode in a couch session Kody point blank asked Meri "you said you were being threatened...but threatened with WHAT?" And Meri stammered and shut down. She obviously couldn't or wouldn't say (especially on camera) threatened to release all the sexy texting, voicemails and photos because at that time Kody didn't know they existed. She tried to claim that she had not personally listened to the "supposed voicemails" that she was asked about but said that someone else told her they sounded "spliced together" aka "fake" Whether or not a person believes that an over the phone, only in your head, love feeling is an actual affair or not is a personal belief. But if you opened your partners phone and saw they were sending sensually suggestive photos and talking about a "friends" penis size how on earth would you feel? Even if they had never met this person in real life it is at minimum a betrayal of trust within a relationship. And the theory that "Meri wasn't technically married to Kody at that time" (in my opinion) doesn't excuse it all because she has been clear in todays time that she stayed loyal to Kody and did not considered herself actually "divorced" until her official church release. So coming from her...that means her time with the catfish qualifies as at a minimum an emotional affair.

Exactly ! Janelle is vague on the exactness of "the moment". However Meri has said that the courtship was not long with Kody. Google puts the date of Janelle/Adam at 12-8-88 and Meri/Kody at 4-21-90. Janelle also said that the marriage ended after 2 years but they only lived together for "like 6 months". So the great meeting of Janelle and Kody was most likely a year after Janelle was married, but months after she no longer lived with Adam. While the fandom wants Janelle to have broken up with her husband after laying eyes on the great Kody Brown, her marriage was already over, just not officially by then. In the famous photo of Meri and Kody on their wedding day, where Janelle is standing next to Kody, you can see an arm on her waist since Adam was standing next to her but cut out of the frame. I think it was in the book that even tho they ended the marriage they still attended events together until the official divorce. One other thing that sticks in my head is that Janelle also cited that Adam was not spiritual enough for her.

If I remember correctly, Janelle had that magickal moment the night that Kody was coming to a gathering. Meri was giddy telling Janelle about her new beau and when Kody walked in the magick moment happened, and the angels sang and Janelle was struck. It happened the first time she laid eyes on him. Think back to your early crushes and dating as well as the dynamics of your friend circles in high school/university age. How on earth would any woman/girl feel if she became friends with her brothers wife only for the wife to divorce the brother but stay friends...and start following her around to gatherings, family gatherings and church gatherings. Then traveling to other states to these gatherings and the reason because they were star struck with their husband. For three years Janelle tagged along with Meri and Kody, staying close before finally declaring that she was going to jump ship from her religion and join Meri's religion because it just happens that THAT religion does not limit male partners to one wife.

I agree that this conversation was eye opening for Kody. When watching through the endless catfish forward episodes there is a clear difference with Kody. He seemed sympathetic, at least on camera for a time and then it seemed like that just stopped and he grew icy cold towards her. I always wondered if after (or because) of their conversation either Leon or Robyn showed him what was being posted online and he would have seen the infamous banana photo and/or heard the voicemail where Meri declared that fictitious Sam was "more of a man that Kody has ever, or will ever be". There were a few tells along the way with the push to force Meri into having a baby only for the cameras/storyline. She was quite clear in one of the first episodes that she had made her peace that she was not going to have any more children. The show began filming only two or three years after her traumatic miscarriage. When they self filmed their conversation in Mexico (anniversary trip) Kody was definitely caught off guard when she said no to his offer of IVF as a "anniversary gift". She "didn't see the point" if I recall properly. Since we now know that Kody "sells" the wives on ideas that are actually "wants" from Robyn and Robyn voiced again and again that she wanted to have babies at the same time as sister wives...and Meri was the only option. Except she really wasn't, but she was so emotionally attached to Robyn and desperate for Kody's favor (and the storyline that was forced on her). Meri made a small statement long ago when Kody brought up IVF that she would accept having a child "if it came naturally". And I think she held it together with Robyn's big push to force her hand with the surrogacy offer. Even when they kept at the storyline and even put her and Kody in front of a fertility doctor Meri seemed to stumble on answering the question about frequency of intercourse. Um. Duh... a fertility doctor would ask such things. When it all came to a crashing end, Meri flat out asks Kody if he even wants a child with her. All this time she knows damn well that he isn't trying one little bit making the baby with her. He more than likely brought up IVF only because it meant that 1. Meri would have another baby and that would keep her occupied and out of his hair, 2. He would be the ultimate winner of the day to give Robyn a baby via Meri to make all her dreams come true and 3. He would get out of actually making the baby and only need to offer up his manly offerings in a jar.

We are 10 episodes into this season and I have had very little to say. I do believe that Garrison's death really took the piss out of me. The show is more depressing than anything else. I have read so many comments about how "boring" this season is, and some episodes have very little content and odd editing of "conversations" that are more facial shots and voice over of solitary talking heads. However this season (beyond Christine's replay of the teen years) has been validating if anything else. The fandom was right. People have picked up on the toxicity under the surface through the Browns vague speaking and Kody's couch session touches and dark glares. It's pretty obvious that they all played their roles and now that they no longer depend on Kody or play nice just for him to be in their children's presence for a moment here and there that they speak more freely than before. Kody is the one crumbling because he has always expected for all of the family to create his life and experiences for him. They all had the job to keep him as the star of the show, the center of attention and the most adored in the room. He has been able to get away saying anything that pops into his head no matter how rude, condescending or toxic because he's just being honest. The professor of anthropology way back when had it right. Polygamist families fail because of the husband.

When they first talked about the CP property they always referred to it as if it was one rectangle of 14 or so acres that they planned on making into their own subdivision. Based on a few things they have said back then that seemed to be the plan that Kody "sold" them on. However, after they bought the property and it was posted online about the sale, people knew that it was in fact four separate parcels that bordered each other in the rectangle shape. In the beginning they only showed this graphic. Then the new idea came when Kody decided that he wanted the property divided into five lots because "No one can have control over the pond". He sang the song and danced the dance that since Lot 2 and 3 had trees, they would have the same value as Lot 4 and 5, which are double the size of them. Somehow in his dreams he thought that a house could be built on Lot 1 when there are boundary lines, a gas road easement and a flood retention pond. Only recently have they shown the actual parcels as they exist in the real world. The last parcel on the right is the one that Christine had her name on, but quick claimed it to just Kody and Robyn. They have also finally confessed that they paid outright for the two large lots, yet owner financed the two smaller lots and signed a contract that states if the whole amount isn't paid off by June 2023 that the entire four lots revert back to the original owner. And Kody thought he had made such a great deal getting the seller/owner to drop the CC&R's to seal the "dill".