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I agree that this conversation was eye opening for Kody. When watching through the endless catfish forward episodes there is a clear difference with Kody. He seemed sympathetic, at least on camera for a time and then it seemed like that just stopped and he grew icy cold towards her. I always wondered if after (or because) of their conversation either Leon or Robyn showed him what was being posted online and he would have seen the infamous banana photo and/or heard the voicemail where Meri declared that fictitious Sam was "more of a man that Kody has ever, or will ever be". There were a few tells along the way with the push to force Meri into having a baby only for the cameras/storyline. She was quite clear in one of the first episodes that she had made her peace that she was not going to have any more children. The show began filming only two or three years after her traumatic miscarriage. When they self filmed their conversation in Mexico (anniversary trip) Kody was definitely caught off guard when she said no to his offer of IVF as a "anniversary gift". She "didn't see the point" if I recall properly. Since we now know that Kody "sells" the wives on ideas that are actually "wants" from Robyn and Robyn voiced again and again that she wanted to have babies at the same time as sister wives...and Meri was the only option. Except she really wasn't, but she was so emotionally attached to Robyn and desperate for Kody's favor (and the storyline that was forced on her). Meri made a small statement long ago when Kody brought up IVF that she would accept having a child "if it came naturally". And I think she held it together with Robyn's big push to force her hand with the surrogacy offer. Even when they kept at the storyline and even put her and Kody in front of a fertility doctor Meri seemed to stumble on answering the question about frequency of intercourse. Um. Duh... a fertility doctor would ask such things. When it all came to a crashing end, Meri flat out asks Kody if he even wants a child with her. All this time she knows damn well that he isn't trying one little bit making the baby with her. He more than likely brought up IVF only because it meant that 1. Meri would have another baby and that would keep her occupied and out of his hair, 2. He would be the ultimate winner of the day to give Robyn a baby via Meri to make all her dreams come true and 3. He would get out of actually making the baby and only need to offer up his manly offerings in a jar.

We are 10 episodes into this season and I have had very little to say. I do believe that Garrison's death really took the piss out of me. The show is more depressing than anything else. I have read so many comments about how "boring" this season is, and some episodes have very little content and odd editing of "conversations" that are more facial shots and voice over of solitary talking heads. However this season (beyond Christine's replay of the teen years) has been validating if anything else. The fandom was right. People have picked up on the toxicity under the surface through the Browns vague speaking and Kody's couch session touches and dark glares. It's pretty obvious that they all played their roles and now that they no longer depend on Kody or play nice just for him to be in their children's presence for a moment here and there that they speak more freely than before. Kody is the one crumbling because he has always expected for all of the family to create his life and experiences for him. They all had the job to keep him as the star of the show, the center of attention and the most adored in the room. He has been able to get away saying anything that pops into his head no matter how rude, condescending or toxic because he's just being honest. The professor of anthropology way back when had it right. Polygamist families fail because of the husband.

When they first talked about the CP property they always referred to it as if it was one rectangle of 14 or so acres that they planned on making into their own subdivision. Based on a few things they have said back then that seemed to be the plan that Kody "sold" them on. However, after they bought the property and it was posted online about the sale, people knew that it was in fact four separate parcels that bordered each other in the rectangle shape. In the beginning they only showed this graphic. Then the new idea came when Kody decided that he wanted the property divided into five lots because "No one can have control over the pond". He sang the song and danced the dance that since Lot 2 and 3 had trees, they would have the same value as Lot 4 and 5, which are double the size of them. Somehow in his dreams he thought that a house could be built on Lot 1 when there are boundary lines, a gas road easement and a flood retention pond. Only recently have they shown the actual parcels as they exist in the real world. The last parcel on the right is the one that Christine had her name on, but quick claimed it to just Kody and Robyn. They have also finally confessed that they paid outright for the two large lots, yet owner financed the two smaller lots and signed a contract that states if the whole amount isn't paid off by June 2023 that the entire four lots revert back to the original owner. And Kody thought he had made such a great deal getting the seller/owner to drop the CC&R's to seal the "dill".

Kody gave away that all of his relationships are "business" transactions. If he doesn't feel love and respected then he gives no love or respect. He just has such a convoluted way to describe it, added with his overly dramatic "performance" for the cameras and he looks like a man spewing nonsense on the street corner.

I have wondered this for a long time.

I think that is exactly how Robyn sees the family. I think Kody does as well, that is why they are on the same page about it. Robyn said that Kody missed "the family experience"...NOT the FAMILY. But the loud busy laughing family gathering experience. Just like the "Brown Family Mosh Pitt", all of them are supposed to make him feel like the center of attention so he can strut around "his family". But then go away because he also becomes very irritated and overwhelmed by them. Robyn wanted the family that put on a show for her back in Lehi. Being welcoming and friendly. She wanted those people to be Stepford Sister Wives to always smile and be kind and to always always just act out her fantasy BUT to never deviate from her script. Not to be themselves with rough and tumble children, but to treat her kids exactly how she instructs them. She has very obvious deep childhood wounds and she needs to address that for herself instead of expecting 17 other human beings to act out her do over life. And as someone mentioned over in the live feed, that sittin' thur on the bathroom floor soliloquy looked like she was medicated. Yep. Loyal. Like a golden retriever.

I think this right here is why Kody is being such a baby about the wedding event. At all the big get togethers where there is dancing the "great" thing about it is the "Brown Family Mosh Pit". Which simply means everyone dancing with Kody at the center so that he feels like king of the dance floor. Kody's wives and children were always supposed to make him feel like Mr. Super Special Man.

I have quite a few flowers that were developed by Floret in my garden right now. Sunflower Steve's story of finding one odd ball sunflower in a field and just letting it grow to collect only a few seeds is quite fascinating. And on topic...Go Janelle and get your hands dirty on the farm. A good chunk of my garden is flowers vs just vegetables these days.

Poor Logan and Michelle. They choose not to have the wedding be a spectacle of the family reality business and here it is being bickered about.

The way the properties were set up has been head scratching from the beginning. After they purchased it people were looking at the real life county website and talking about the multi names on each parcel. But then when filming caught up to the land purchase what they said on the show was very different than reality. For a long time they acted on the show like it was one big rectangle of 14 acres and they would divide it into 4 lots and build their Arizona cul de sac version 2.0. How many hours of filming was dedicated to Kody pontificating about lot division, how many walks of the land was filmed with all of them arguing who goes where when the reality was more convoluted. I think by the time Christine said on the show that she swapped her interest in the one parcel with her house equity she honestly thought the rest of them would still move forward with dividing everything up into even parcels. Three for wives and one for Kody's get away fun house. By the sound of it Kody needs a two acre pole barn for storage. Somewhere along the way Kody started considering the "family" account his personal account. Janelle made it clear that family money paid the down payment on Christine's Flagstaff house and yet Kody stated that "he and Robyn" gave Christine the down payment money.

Speed? She could quickly quit claim her interest in the property in one step. Signing it over to Janelle or Meri or both would have taken longer. She wanted out quickly and it's easier to get it done that way before Kody had too long to think it over and try to come up with a way to screw her over. I also suspect she may have thought that Kody would be fair with the division, but in the end it wasn't her circus anymore.

I am pulling this quote from @Denizein the live chat thread. My fuzzy brain remembers a few things from back then. "Family" money goes to Christine in 2018 when she bought her house in Flagstaff. She pulled a great card when she sold the house because the equity was pretty much equal to her value of the Coyote Pass properties. Even swap. While it wasn't on camera she also had the trump card of Kody stating on camera that a 'pro' of wives having their own houses was if a wife leaves, she has the ability to take equity money with her. Naturally Kody being Kody he then acted like Christine was stealing his personal money when she up and did just that. So then vegas houses sell, and all that equity $$ pours into Robyn's current house, but Christine's house in Vegas didn't sell until after Kody/Robyn bought the big house. They have never stated anything about whether or not Christine had any equity from her Vegas house. It was on the market for more than 12 months and she would have been paying two mortgage payments for that time. And...some things they never talked about. So Robyn is saying that the last big thing that "family" money paid for was her house(2019). Meanwhile around the time of Ysabels surgery being planned (2020) Christine is doing lots of LLR sales and pushing pushing. She stated at some point that she had to come up with $50,000 co-pay for the surgery and it took time to find insurance that would cover it. She also let slip in one of those sales that she was still paying for Truely's hospital bill that was over $400,000. None of this has ever been discussed on the show, but just leaked out when Christine was scrambling to pay bills for her children. All the while Kody claims on the show that the "family pot" pays for big expenses for the kids. Funny how when really really big bills that aren't houses or cars or art but actual quality of life (or death) bills the family pot dries up and Christine and her kids are on their own.

I downsized years ago from a half acre garden and chasing 50 chickens with two young kids and pets to a quarter acre garden with no more chickens, kids are grown and just two cats now. My garden is veggies for the house, lots of flowers and herbs and it keeps me busy 10 out of 12 months in the year. It is a LOT of work, but I love my garden and it is an important part of my mental health. I grew up and still live in an agricultural area and know what it takes to make it work. Sure, I love the photos and videos from Floret flower(Instagram and youtube) and she is a great inspiration but I also know she has a huge team of people behind the camera working hard for long hours. There are two ways to make a farm. Both take hard work, but one is having a whole lot of money to set up infrastructure to save years of hard work.

As an adult looking back to my childhood I can say that yes...passive aggressive, silent treatment and petty behavior by adults most certainly trickles down to children. Also looking at my childhood experiences I suspect that family members would show up to gatherings just to perform for others. Being very open and friendly to some to then make it very obvious (and public) that they are shunning others. Just being in the room at that shower, tripping over camera people to boot, with Christine in one corner and Kody/Robyn as a unit in the other would have made the air heavy with awkwardness. Tho I also think that Myketi either is fully immune from awkwardness or she uses it as fuel.

I am having a bit of a laugh when people on reddit are saying "it can't be a farm if it only grows flowers..."