RCharter

Yeah, you should really be 1960's happy that a man you don't know is putting his hands all over you. Legally, what Frank did is battery. Its an offensive touching.....most reasonable people don't want some ugly ass strange man slapping their ass. So, her options are to happily take whatever Frank is dishing out, or calling his ass out and ruining her game. Either way she loses....and the idea that because she didn't want to blow up her game somehow means that she is complicit in his behavior is silly to me.

Yeah, he is completely in charge of the game right now. They should know better than to try to appease him while he is in power. How else would a 32 year old man know that its not right to slap women's asses unless blow up their game to tell him. You would be surprised at what you might put up with if you felt you had to or if the stakes were high enough. Somehow trying to shift any part of the blame to Da'vonne because she is in a position to have to appease Frank seems like a very odd stance to me. I can't understand Frank's confusion at all. Just because he behaves that way around his weird inbred family doesn't mean that he shouldn't know what he is doing is wrong. I would venture that most of us realize that we can't do the same things around family that we do in the world. My parents spanked me as a child. I don't think that I can spank someone else's badass kid running around a Starbucks. No one had to sit me down and say "listen RCharter....you can't spank other people's children even though your parents did that." Grown ass adults can generally pick up that sort of thing.

LOL @ mansplaining. Its not Frank's fault, because Day should have to tell a grown ass man in 2016 not to put his uninvited hands all over people. I just can't with people victimizing Frank......yeah...he did something wrong....but its her fault for not telling him not to do it. How old is he again?

I'm not even mad at her. She needs to get all her PDA's in before he gets the green card. Strategic!!!

I imagine an attorney told him that, but since the specimen knows everything, he insisted on soldiering ahead

The fact that she enjoyed wearing it is what makes it beautiful. Ashley would have made that poor woman look like a hot mess with a flowerpot on her head.....and then cried about it. No thanks.

^^ girl, you're about to get me all verklempt over here! I wholeheartedly agree. I am glad to have had the conversation, because I think these conversations are important, for me, in understanding what others go through and that the grass on the other side may not always be as green as I think it is. And most importantly they remind me to be as kind. As I'm naturally snarky, it can be tough to remember :)

Not for nothing, but Day AND Z? And both are doing relatively well in the game (IMO)! Neither was cast as cannon fodder! So, I do give some credit to someone for that. I do think that Jozea and Glenn were cast as cannon fodder/easy targets. But now I'm trying to think of how many straight, white people were cast: Frank, Nicole, Bronte (I think?), Michelle, Corey (NotGayCorey), Paulie That is six houseguests out of how many? ETA: I totally understand not wanting anything to make casting decide that next season should be dedicated to all young straight white people. The variety has made the house so much more interesting IMO. When I think of the first four out of the house, I think at least three of them could be interesting comebacks. We barely got to see Glenn, and he seems like a super fan and a student of the game Jozea and his delusions Tiffany could potentially be interesting and I think once she gets booted from the game she will see things clearly and perhaps play a more strategic game. I think Victor is a total dud, so he can go back home to his mommy.

Its funny, I was thinking about this discussion on my way to the supermarket (I know, right?) And I was thinking that one of the best examples, IMO, of raising up bigger women instead of tearing down skinnier ones was Christina Hendrix in MadMen. She was, by far, the most beautiful woman on the show. And she was presented that way. Every man in the office realized that she was gorgeous. There were very few men, or women on the show that didn't absolutely think she was beautiful. She was always in the prettiest outfits. And she was not skinny, at all. No other character really had to be put down for Joan (her character) to be beautiful. She just.....was. And I think the way she was presented on that show changed some people's POV. I almost certainly think the show was part of the tidal shift towards finding a more curvy figure acceptable. I don't think its okay for skinnies to feel bad, and I'm sorry if I gave that impression. I do think that by saying "fuck skinny bitches" it focuses a spotlight on the issue of body image. Everyone should have the chance to feel good about their body, not just skinny women, and not just fat women. We should all be in the same boat....but for the most part, its almost always fat people that are in that boat. Strangely, I think the woman who sang the song would ultimately agree with you that no one should be ashamed, but for years, as a society, we've been okay to make fat people, and most especially fat women feel terrible about themselves. I guess its just a difference in who we know. Most of the women I know who lift weight do so as part of a weight loss/toning routine. I've heard weight training enhances the effects of cardio. The other day the trainer told me to do as many pushups as I could in a minute. I did exactly one....and today my arms/chest feel on fire. So, I might need to do more weight training myself :) In closing -- I do want to apologize if I offended you. I didn't mean to. I agree, body shaming should stop whether you be skinny or fat. I think the experience might be a little different, but that certainly doesn't make it right. I totally understand your anger at the Anaconda song. I don't feel it, but I guess I would be upset if someone was like "fuck size 8 bitches!"

I've also named a few of my favorite battery operated appliances :)

Classic "one-upper" which is why people should show more respect for strippers. That is professional dancing...and it looks damn hard!

I know how you feel. I gained like 20 pounds while I studied for the bar and I didn't even want to leave my house. I don't think I was ever out of a size 8....but still. I'm not done losing, but man, it was rough. Body image is rough. But I don't think I have it nearly as tough as women who get pointed and laughed at, and if someone called me a fat leprechaun or a whale from their car I would probably break down and cry.

I still think people are socially programmed to think that skinny is better. I think society has shaped personal preference to some degree. Giant boobs isn't really getting fatter though....nor is just having a waist that 18 inches and butt implants. I don't even know if that makes the body curvy anymore than I think it just makes people look like two "V's" I think songs like Anaconda can bring awareness......I mean....society says "fuck you" almost every day to fat people. If the idea is that the rejection of skinny bodies makes skinny people feel bad, I guess thats maybe what fat people have felt for a long time....like their bodies are rejects and would be better if they were just skinnier. I just think that historically, fat girls have probably had more shit thrown their way than skinny women. And the "eat a cheeseburger" comments I tend to think come from people that are just salty and frustrated that their body may not be as socially acceptable as a skinnier body. And even still, if a celebrity is airbrushed, they aren't airbrushed to look fatter, they are airbrushed to look skinnier. Women still starve themselves in the modelling industry and eat cotton balls, because being skinny is the ideal. I haven't heard of a thin actress being photoshopped to look fatter. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I haven't heard of it. I do think that no body shame is for everyone....absolutely, no one should be made to feel bad about their body. But I think the message is probably going to apply a little more sometimes to fat people, because I think....as a society......we really look down on fat people moreso than we do skinny people. Again, very few women are heading to the gym to gain weight. They may do weights, but most of that is still in an effort to lose weight, not to gain weight.

This was from the Episode 5 thread, but I'm trying respond in the thread I think it on topic. I think people have the right to feel any way they want. But I can't see how being "too skinny" would present the same societal anger that being "too fat" represents. I think its been much more ingrained in our society that fat is ugly and being skinny is better. Or that fat means unhealthy, and skinny means healthy (of course, not to the extreme). If you put a mildly fat person, next to a mildly skinny person, people would think the skinnier person is more attractive and more fit. Very few people are spending tons of money to get fatter, but many are spending that money to get skinny. I think the songs about "fuck skinny bitches" are, in their own way, a way of trying to give the middle finger to a system that routinely calls big girls ugly. I can see your point about how yelling at you isn't going to make someone else feel better, but I do think it brings some awareness to the fact that beautiful women can come in all shapes and sizes. I also think that particular song, in its context had a powerful message. Because big women are societally cowed into feeling ashamed of themselves and how they look, at most "regular" clubs they won't go out on the dance floor because they don't want to be made fun of. I saw the song as more of a "you're beautiful too, don't let anyone tell you that you can only be pretty if you're skinny! Get out there and dance!" And even in our culture today, how often are big women really prized. Supermodels are still rail thin, the majority of music videos still feature skinny women, society still puts a woman on the cover of a magazine and airbrushes her to look skinnier. If you see an overweight celebrity in the magazine rack, its normally to shame her for putting on a few pounds (National Enquirer Worst Beach Bodies). But the minute that celebrity loses weight, they are put on the cover of the nearest glam magazine with an article on "how x lost the weight." Again, this is not to say that skinny women don't have a right to feel a certain way, I just think that because of societal pressure and standards, the discussion may be a little different. For a long time modern society has embraced the ideal image of the skinny woman, it just hasn't been that way with larger women.

juicy!!!

LOL, I can't believe that cheapskate is hiring a lawyer for a case he is going to lose. Good times! I'm sure they think Nikki is much too old.

that song is just too.damn.long.....a lot of theme songs aren't the best, but that one seems to go on forever and ever. I hate it too, and I always have to find that sweet spot when the song is just ending and the show is starting. I think its generally around 2:43

@phoenics -- there is a conversation to be had about the dilemma that faces black women. If you don't stand up for yourself, you get stepped on. If you do stand up for yourself, you automatically become the stereotypical "angry black girl." As for those black men writing essays.....how many eye rolls can I insert in one place? There are so many black men out there willing to put down black women and then get mad when black women are no longer interested in dating them. And never mind that the same behavior they deride from black women is the same behavior they will accept from white women because they are so busy putting white women on these pedestals. I don't even know if I would be flattered if I were these white women, because very little of the attraction has to do with personality, but has so much to do with perceived social status. I'm not saying its all black men, but the ones willing to point the fingers and blame black women, are often the ones who earn my biggest eye rolls.

Yeah, it seems like she maybe was told about Whitney and never did much research beyond maybe watching a YouTube video. I can't imagine that she thought Whitney's "hoverround" at the parade was a very good representation of big women with an active lifestyle. I guess she needed to get a big name for her first issue, but it would be sort of cool to see big women who are the paddle boarders, do boot camp and yoga. Either way -- to end on a positive note, I think the picture of Whitney in the dress is very nice.

I'm super annoyed by this. Because she has outright struck him out of anger and I think it was pretty glossed over. In some ways, she is lucky to be married to him. If she had ended up with a man like Memphitz, she would be missing some teeth. I think a woman hitting a man is different, but I don't think women should be allowed to get away with physical violence on the argument that they are women and so its okay. Michelle seems like a bitch -- I think overposting selfies is the height of stupidity.....but I probably wouldn't be with a guy who did that sort of thing. I don't know that I see the point in staying with someone if you're just going to spend all your time making their life miserable. I'm not sure where she gets the idea she is some super awesome prize, she looks like everyone else in LA and is just mean. That doesn't make her a special snowflake, that makes her like 85% of people in LA.

Memphitz has a history of violence. From his violent outburst, I'm betting that he has beaten Toya before. He has all the classic signs. Violent outburst, getting into personal space when questioned, and a follow up apology complete with victim blaming and insisting to others that "I don't really do that." http://107jamz.com/memphitz-admits-to-beating-k-michelle-and-lost-lawsuit-against-her/ I guess Toya is probably embarrassed to admit that she is getting hit by her husband, and that she keeps going back to him. Sadly I think she is suffering from battered woman's syndrome, and the hacks at this "marriage boot camp" are too stupid to see it.

Oh, thats interesting. I had always assumed that Lane Bryant and other "plus size" stores didn't really have a size limit. But I guess it makes sense that they do, because at some point the per piece pricing for really, really, really big clothing is probably higher and cuts into their margin. How large is the clothing at Lane Bryant. According to Whitney's clothing site, she is wearing a 3x, right? Does it not go that big? If this is the case, maybe Whitney does have a good business opportunity to make clothing for....women her size. In fact, it would be pretty cool if she learned how to sew so she could learn to adjust her clothing for her "needs" which I've already heard too much about.

yass! or she trips while running to bring Frank gossip and cookies. Someone decides that the HOH should be replayed and Tiff wins and puts up Frank.

I'm down for whatever causes the two of them maximum pain, humiliation and embarrassment. If the aliens slap Frank's ass, so much the better. :)

I think the Cody/Paulie game is far less......assertive than the Vanessa game that is now being associated with Tiffany. Vanessa was clearly playing to win, I don't know that I really got that feeling from Cody If we're writing fan fiction, can someone write me some fan fiction where Frank gets booted and Bridgette gets booted immediately after? Because I really need for that to happen, they are both the worst.