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But, I don't know if Tiffany has done some things to purposefully mimic Vanessa. I don't know if its because Tiffany has a great amount of respect for Vanessa's gameplay, but from where I sit, she hasn't done much to disabuse people of the notion that she is like Vanessa and therefore might play a Vanessa style game. I think her first, and probably biggest mistake was not just coming clean when Paulie did. For one, she and Vanessa look a lot a like and there have been sibling "twists" in the past. Second, there was a chance that one of the HG may have seen the two of them together on social media...especially someone a little more hardcore, like Michelle. Third, I think she could have been very clear that while she loves her sister, she isn't like her sister and she isn't going to play the game the same way. Would people have still been suspicious? Of course....absolutely......but she may have been able to have least created a situation where people gave her a chance. Instead it was sort of "telephoned" around the house, and Tiffany couldn't control the message, instead she let other people shape the narrative for her. I think her second mistake were those tears/breakdown. I'm still on the fence as to whether or not they were real, but they were a mistake. As were the bandana and the sunglasses. Part of Tiffany's strategy should have been to try to play as different a game from Vanessa's as she possibly could in terms of what she let everyone else see. The more she reminds people of Vanessa, the harder a time she was going to have in that house. In light of everything, I think that her issues with Frank may end up being the one thing that can possibly save her. And I hope it does, but if she stays, I think she needs to re-evaluate how she is playing the game, and maybe course correct.

I certainly don't know as much as you do, so you can correct me if I'm wrong, but I sort of took Tiffany wanting to win POV with the Scrabble thing as going against TEP plan to BD Victor. From what I saw, that was one of the things she did that caused people to distrust her. And I might have understood if she hadn't known that Victor was the one who won RK. I mean, your alliance having a plan to BD you is maybe more reasonable if you think that one of them may have won RK and put you up. But she knew it was Victor, so I thought her reaction to that was....not optimal.

Whitney is wearing a CPAP machine and needs sex furniture. She probably needs to plan her sex a week in advance so the tlc crew felt safe. Although, they probably carry whistles or have a speedy exit plan in the event of spontaneous lovemaking.

The first time Tiffany was on the block it was ridiculous for her to freak out the way she did. And the blowback from that....is on her. Honestly, part of me thinks she tried using those tears as a strategy, because if you're frustrated and you want to cry there are places to do it so no one else can see it. But if you think you're going go to use the tears as a way to get something out of people, I think you wait and approach people and then start crying and carrying on. And it totally sucks monkey balls for Tiffany if she did use the tears as a strategy, because it totally backfired on her. But, it means that she may not be the same emotional ball of mess that Vanessa is....however, she has everyone thinking that now. Now, with Da'vonne I think it was different, because Frank had just slapped her ass and she was walking towards the room she was heading to already. So, I think those tears were a natural reaction. But I felt a little hinky about Tiffany basically going to the HOH room and dropping those tears. Having said that, I hope Tiffany wins the POV and pulls herself off the block.

yeah, I don't know if I buy it. I understand the strategy of not gaming super hard as soon as you get into the house, but some of the stuff they do makes me think they aren't entirely serious about the game.

I think you bring up a lot of good points! But at this point, I think TEP is still supposed to be a thing (kinda?) and the Fatal Five is a thing (kinda?) and the Spy Girls are a thing. TEP, or TNP (if you count Paulie) should have the majority of the votes, so it seems like you only need people from the majority alliance and the Spy Girls (who just want to make it to jury). And I would think that pulling those outside of the alliance can be justified if you're all agreed to bring down someone for a non-game related reason (in the case of Frank, his disgusting sexism). At the very least, everyone can just say "you know, the only reason I talked to so and so, about getting such and such out was because he was just so terrible." I think Day should push to get Frank out now for a variety of reasons, whether she does it as HOH herself, or whether she does it through a proxy I think now is the time while they can shatter his illusion of power. If she is worried it puts a target on her back, I still think she has people that she can argue should be bigger threats. Namely, the showmances, as those two person alliances represent a greater % of the house vote. Michelle, who doesn't have a great social game. Day may want to use Paul as a "meat shield" if she can stomach him. He is loud, braggadocios, and seems a little naive about the game. I think he would be the sort of person who might be talked into putting Frank up as a "big game move" that will make America like him. I also think that she could possibly sell Natalie/Bronte/James on the idea of just getting to jury. People seem to think James isn't particularly playing to win, and now that he has this 'showmance" he may want to spend time alone in sequester with Natalie

That season was so awful :(

But on the flip side, with people only wanting to get to jury, does the person who takes out the target become a target, or do they just become the new person that everyone sucks up to just to get to jury?

^^oh, that is disturbing. I can't believe thats a thing....thats just......so wrong.

Exactly, its always a risk/reward scenario. But the rewards are so much greater than the risks, IMO.

Is this before or after his hypothetical battleback win?

precisely. it does something to see the calories all written down....it really does.

another chance with significantly less power and pull. And that is IF he wins the battle back The risk of him winning the battle back with less power and pull is worth the reward of getting him out of the house before he gets further entrenched and is definitely able to make a big impact in the game. Now is the time to get Frank out, while the anti-Frank sentiment in the house is high. At the very least he loses his power and pull. Even if he were to come back into the competition a week or two after he left by that point alliances shift, everyone sits around shit talking about you, people move on. So even if he were to come back, the game will have moved past him.

so true about the food diary. When I logged my food religiously, I was able to lose weight regularly. Its easier to NOT keep one, but I know I have to get better at the habit. Congrats on your weight loss!

as someone else said, I think the "spell" a powerful HG has is sort of broken once they are out of the house....even if they come back

Everyone in Cat 4 besides Frank should be throwing the HoH if the plan is to get Frank out. Frank is not put up as an initial nominee. Instead put up Bridgette/Paulie/Corey. Or even just Bridgette + someone else. If Frank is picked to play in POV and he wins (right now they have the best chance of him not being picked to play POV because there are more people in the house). But if Frank is picked to play in POV and keeps the nominations the same, then you at least can get rid of Bridgette and take away an ally from Frank If Frank is not picked to play in POV than you have whomever wins POV take down the "someone else" that has been nominated with Bridgette. Frank goes up as replacement nominee. Either way -- you take out Frank, or you take out Bridgette. In a perfect world you take out Frank. But even if the plan goes sideways, you get Bridgette out and the "spy girls" are more open to be picked up by "anti Frank" camp without Bridgette around.

Agree, not to mention that the opportunity to BD Frank becomes slimmer and slimmer as the weeks pass. He has a much higher likelihood of getting picked for veto as there are fewer players in the house. I think now is the time to really make a move against him. There is an anti-Frank sentiment in the house, and the newbies have a very "go with the house" attitude. I think Bridgette/Corey/Paulie is probably the best deal because they will be more invested in saving themselves than saving Frank.

I don't even think the RK should be a factor in getting Frank out. I don't see how it would matter who went up as RK nominee because that person should never be the target. I think if Frank goes out, it should be traditional BD style. Its risky, but I think its really the only way. Initial nominees should be Bridgette + someone else. This would ensure that the rest of the spy girls will be okay with the plan to BD Frank, since it will save Bridgette. Whoever wins veto takes down "someone else." If Frank gets picked to play veto and wins, at least you can get rid of Bridgette, thereby weakening Frank. Trying to take out Frank later BD style is riskier because there is a smaller pool of people to play for the veto.

I don't know, does Natalie have a lot of game strategy to share? The strategy of her alliance mostly seems to be....boyz! Flirt with boyz! Bake boyz cookies! I think Natalie might see what her other alliance members don't see, but how much can she do with that information right now? I'm glad to see that she may be able to align herself with James though. I think they primarily use Bronte for terrible math puns.

jaysus! And this past episode, the cameraman was just focused right in on her giant ass in stretch pants as she walked out of the booth to get the bagels.

I think thats a great point. Jillian Michaels made it her lifestyle, and in the thread that I posted people who lost that weight seemed to have to commit to a lifestyle. And even now, I have 20 lbs to lose, I was down 15 and gained almost another 3 just for eating thai food on july 4th, missing a few step classes, and going pretty crazy on some hummus and chocolate. I think the idea of sustained change to lifestyle is super key....and....an attitude that is borderline vigilant.

It wasn't! And in this, I partially blame her friends for continually crowing that she looked great. I know what its like to want to be a supportive friend, but she wasn't even asking if she looked good and the great lot of them were insisting that she looked amazing. If a friend asks you, point blank, how they look, I can understand fibbing. I always figure people look the way they want to look, so do they really want to know what I think? And if they do, I just try to think of whether or not they look good for their personal style (my friends and I each have a different personal style). However, I do think that at Whitney's size there is little she can do to cover up at this point. There aren't Spanx! or a waist trainer that is going to fool the eye. She isn't going to look appreciably different if she just wears a well tailored dress.....so I guess she should wear whatever. I DO however, take exception to anyone going to work....laying on the floor and having people touch them. That is not acceptable for anyone.

LOL, its humor

LOL...were you dating a giant beard in this dream nightmare? I agree that Whit at 220, would be so much healthier than a Whit at nearly 400 pounds. As a bonus, from my understanding, the weight loss can help with the symptoms of PCOS

Posted reply in small talk since I think @OnceSane is about ready to strangle us for getting OT! My apologies @OnceSane, but girl, you know it is so easy to go OT when it comes to this show! We're all trying girl, thanks for being patient!