JennyMominFL

It is not a teaching of Judaism either.

I wish I could remember some of the great lines I have heard in this rewatch. "Do You Speak Canadian?" is a top one though.

OK, I know this is silly but can someone tell me exactly what Carole's Trader Joe item was. There is a pretty new one here in Orlando and I want to get one,lol

It looks like the next cover of People magazine will not be friendly. I think they will be on plenty of tabloids in the next few days.

I have a friend from Ohio. She is extremely smart with a grad degree and is a biological anthropologist who works for Harvard developing new meds. She says pitchers.. IT's regional.. I agree with your point about the girls thougj

There are plenty of testimonies out there from people who have left Gothard and ATI, And lived under the Pearl rulebook. This goes beyong just the Duggars. They prove this cult is dangerous. These organizations breed a community where women and girls are ripe for sexual abuse. There leader Gothard has so many accusations of sexual abuse and harassment that they go back to the early 80s. These people are dangerous. Their beliefs are dangerous. As someone who has spent some time studying cults, there are a million warning signs. Sadly, I don't think the Duggars are an isolated case at all. They are the tip of a very dangerous iceberg. I have been waiting for this cult to be exposed to the mainstream for a long time. And the Duggars are their poster family. I hurt for the women and girls in these groups, along with the boys who are essentially taught they are all just one step from rapists and that it women's job to keep them from offending, Yes, I dislike their homophobia, but that just the tip of the iceberg. These people are a danger to themselves and other. I think a lot more things will come ou now that people are examining these groups. I'm OK if you want to label me intolerant. I am OK with being called intolerant of homophobes, abusers, sexists, sexual harassers , child molesters, victim blamers etc. I'm sure I'm forgetting some things, but that's what I believe these groups support or produce. ETA, I saw the warning above, after I posted. If this is considered OT, I'm sorry

You have a right to your opinions and you seem to express them in a rational way...but. If you believe the reasons some wanted to see the Duggars exposed ,are as simple as them being uber religious and anti gay, you are simply wrong. I mean, I'm sure it's true in a few case. For most of us this goes way beyond the homophobia and right wing fundamentalism. And most of us who wanted the parents exposed certainly did not want it to be for these reasons

I am not a Christian and therefore I think the idea that one can commit horrible " sins" and then be forgiven for them is kind of messed up. I want no part of a belief system that teaches that. Wether or not Josh's god has forgiven him is irrelevent to me . I don't care one bit if he has repented. I am however capable of seeing that this was not all his fault His parents and the system he was raised in have culpability. Remorse, real genuine remorse, is far more important to me We all commit wrongs, but there are levels of wrongs. Disclaimer, as someone who was raised a Christian, I recognize that not all denominations see things the same way . And I know Josh wouldn't care a flying fig what I think of him , what with being a godless heathen.

It's pretty sick that a guy who was convicted of child porn got to here a kids confess about molesting young girls.

What exactly do we know about the letter in the book?

One year later

I believe in forgiveness and I am an Atheist. When I was 20 I married a man who had a secret life. I ended up HIV positive. He knew he was positive and continued to sleep with me. That was 25 years ago and I've gone on to have a family a happy second marriage and a great life. Part of that, I believe is because I forgave him. I could not have that anger in my life. I could not live like that. It doesn't mean I have forgotten. How could I forget when I live with the consequences daily? But I did this of my own free will and in a genuine way. How does a 5 year old child really forgive? How do you really forgive if your religion requires it? I hope more has gone on that we don't know of. I hope they have been able to get some help and come to forgiveness on their own terms. I doubt that is the case though. Maybe someday.

My husband had an aortic dissection in early 2007. His type kills most of the people who have them. Most people are diagnosed with this on the autopsy table. My husband's was the same type that killed John Ritter. He spent 3 months in the hospital with various complication and alomst lost a leg. He had 7 or 8 surgeries on his leg including skin grafts. While they were doing the open heart surgery he spent way longer on bypass than he should. There is brain damage. It's not the type that people assume when they hear brain damage. He is as smart as ever. He doesn't process things the same way, though. He can get very angry. It's a combo of brain damage, PTSD ,depression and life with pain medication. But it's not his fault. He is not, and will never be that happy go lucky, fun guy t,hat he was before. He is sometimes that guy, but he can also be angry and moody. His relationship with his kids has suffered. Luckly we have such a strong marriage that we are OK There were some very very rough years at the beginning. As the spouse it's tough, because you love him and you know it's not really his fault. But you also have to live with it, and you have to walk on eggshells sometimes, because you never know if it will be a good day or a bad day. Bottom line, it can be hell. And it certainly can be caused by a brain injury. Matt probably suffers tremendously. No doubt, like my husband, he knows things have changed. He may know he gets unreasonably angry. He probably goes though self hate and anxiety daily and probably feels like he has no control of his life. Jeana probably felt the same way. I really feel awful for both of them. I know what they live. It's not fun.

Has this been posted? The court order stating that a minor requested the record be destroyed http://radaronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Expungement-signed.pdf

Maybe the Willis family took them down. I think they were the other large family that refused to film with them a few months back.

I'm going to be completely honest here. I DID want to see the Duggars fall. Not because they are Christians and not because they have 19 kids. I wanted them (The parents, never the kids) because I can't stand the way they raise their kids and I cannot stand the church/group they belong to or certain discriminatory stands I think they take. Well, I got what I wanted.. I sure did. But I get no satisfaction from it. I get a horrible sick feeling in my stomach because I NEVER believed those particular rumors. I thought they were over the line. I really liked Anna too. I thought she was a good kind human being and I still want to believe she didn't know the whole truth. If she did then she is not who I thought she was. I never , ever would have wished anything like this on those kids. I really genuinely care about the kids. I was actually sort of sttarting to like JB when he was away from Michelle and when dealing with his girls marriages. I believe religion is a good thing and that it really can sustain people through bad times. I don't feel their particular belief set is going to bring those girls any relief, just shame and sadness. Maybe, just maybe they can find some regular Christians to tell them that they are OK and not to blame I didn't want this. This breaks my heart

Where are the denials then? If the allegations are not true, why isn't anyone denying it? ATA, I do recognize there was no conviction at any time and in the eyes of the law Josh has done nothing

Yeah, I raised 4 teens. They were homeschooled although not anywhere near as isolated as the Duggars. They knew that was wrong at 14. Even if Josh was immature that's still thinking along the lines of a 7 year old

I think he clearly knew it was wrong because he hid it, and he did it when the girls were isolated or asleep.

How? How is this a tragedy for Jim Bob and Michelle? If they had taken legitimate action to try and fix this, or at least tried to help the girls and even Josh , then I could feel sorry for them. Instead the covered it up and did nothing to help their daughter. And then they went on TV an exposed the family in public knowing full well this could come out. I wonder how those girls feel today about this being known to the whole world. If the parents wanted to protect their daughters they would have kept them off TV . It was a tragedy for the Duggar parents 12 years ago. Everything after that is caused by their own choices.

I have a feeling that what those girls are feeling today is guilt. They have been brainwashed to believe that they are seductors. That they can defraud men for doing little more than existing... And the boys. Let talk about the other boys. Their society basically teaches them that they are not in control of themselves,That they are potential molestors and rapists. A woman can cause them to lose their minds, by just exisiting. This hurts the boys in this society too. How utterly helpless all of these kids must feel. This is why they cling to their brand of Christianity so tightly. It's the only hope they have, and yet, conversly it's what destroys them. DIsclaimer. I am ONLY referring to their messed up version of religion and not speaking of al religion

The parents are hypocites who brought it on to themselves. The kids are not. The kids didn't choose this.

Do we have any theories on who tipped off intouch. Or just who got the ball rolling this time?

Yeah, I confess , I always wanted to see the parents fall. Not the kids. I've really developed affection for them over the years. I would never have wante it to be lick this. The repercussions this will still have on the kids, even now are devastating. I just know, with the way the girls have been brought up, that they will somehow blame themselves for this. Victims of molestation already do this, without the double whammy of the society the Duggers live in. Hopefully Jill and Jessa's husbands will help them. I can't even imagine how they feel.

Opportunity may have been a better word choice yes. But I come from a law enforcement family, and I have heard them use the statement that the" victim was convenient". Meaning the perp had access and opportunity with someone, and that person wasn't neccessarily targeted specifically.