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Maybe the producers wanted to make sure that they actually have a conversation before they go off in the sunset together?

I have to admit that I don’t have a perfect recollection of everything Clare has done on her 50 appearances but Benoit didn’t leave her standing alone. What is this whole narrative?

I'm beginning to feel that I have been unfair to Juan Pablo these past few years.

Bachelor Contestants: "There is a world outside of Bachelor Nation???!!!"

Tbh, I’m not sure you can go back to that. The whole joke about “right reasons” stopped making sense about the same time we stopped using quill pens. The whole show has become a self-involved world of “bachelor nation” in which pretty much everyone who comes on has ulterior motives and the point is to be on tv. Wanting to go back is like wanting to go back to when they played World Series games only during the day time because it is better for the players and we all listened on radio,

Good point. And we have to remember that Clare busted TPTB plans for the season. No matter how many times they try to cash in on this being “THE MOST DRAMATIC SEASON EVEEEEER” they had a narrative set up and she didn’t play by it. So they may have decided to change “quirky” Clare into “Lucretia Borgia Clare” for their own purposes.

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Now that you raise that it does make you wonder if Clare made a big deal of saying it was okay that he reached out because it’s possible that it will come out that she and Dale were in touch before the show. If she had allowed the other guy to be sent home it would look bad.

I'm not sure that it is worth the energy to be honest. Most of them are filler. Eventually you will figure out the two that she may be interested in and the 3 that the producers keep around because they make good TV. The rest you won't know till you hear on one of the bachelor boards that they did something really embarrassing in real life.

I kept hoping that someone besides Johnny and Cely would finish second but i guess the producers thought that they had convinced us it was actually still a comtest. Johnny “joking” that Caleb should keep the money was the most honest moment of the episode. i would say I would miss this show but since I’ve already forgotten everything that happened (which forum am I in?) i guess that wouldn’t be credible.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ “Tomorrow night on Love Island...”. Oh, wait did i miss anything when I was bored to sleep?

Given this year’s show and the revolving door of forgettable contestants your original typing seems perfectly reasonable to me.

I think it’s possible that Julia said something at the expulsion ceremony but TPTB continued their ongoing effort to make us forget she was there. Frankly, Carrington was more annoying than usual. The whole facial drama while he was spending 2 hours explaining why he was picking Laurel was really too much. It isn’t Sophie’s Choice. I will always wonder if his parents named him because they watched too much Dynasty back in the 80s. So if this was the last recoupling does that mean that everyone sits around in the deck chairs on the Titanic until Wednesday night’s season finale?

Jeez that was a bore. Aren’t we supposed to care MORE as we get close to the exciting and unpredictable ending?? I was surprised that the producers showed Calvin figure out that Moira got affectionate so she could survive the next recoupling. If we didn’t know that they are all there to find love you might think they just want to stay on TV.

You know you are probably right! The thing that is really odd about Moira is that to listen to her each one of the guys has been “her type.” I think that her type consists of a guy who likes her smile and is willing to say that they want to have a conversation. Last night she had a whole conversation with Bennet about how she wanted to have q conversation with him. And then they didn’t. Now she thinks they are perfect for each other.

Because Mackenzie needs someone to cry to.

The other thing that no one seems to be pointing out is that she apparently broke it off AFTER she and her family helped him recover from Covid. People are acting as if she did something wrong but she didn’t leave an ill person. She waited till he had recovered and had supported him through that. She should get credit for that.

I wonder if they will give Connor the opportunity to vote MacKenzie out?

“America” really blew it. If it had any sense of drama or whimsy it would have saved Trey and Lauren. But no. It picked them giving the other couples an easy out because Lauren is “new.” If “America” had put in Moria/Calvin we would have had a race for the money.

I think that each of them were more compatible with the english breakfast that they were eating than they are with their partners.

There was no point. I’m sure the producers edit out any evidence of self-awareness.

I'm right there with you. And frankly the fact that having been sent home she was still going on the limousine about how she couldn't believe he didn't pick her when she had so much more emotional intelligence that she didn't imagine that he might pick Corrine was pretty striking. I was over Corrine too but there was really no way that Taylor came out ahead on that one. And I thought that the whole "not only am I emotionally intelligent but I'm transgressive" spiel on the reunion was a bit much. Of course I couldn't remember half of the women that CH declared unforgettable last night so what do I know. Of

Aargh. I hope that doesn’t mean we will see as much of Marcus in the future as we have seen of Corrine!

The most interesting thing about these shows is something that many of us have long suspected: you can fit entire seasons into 3 hours and not miss anything important. Too bad ABC will never understand that and stop all the filler.

The thing that strikes me is that she is articulate in explaining her choices. No wonder she didn’t succeed on the Bachelor.