call me ishmael

It’s not as if he hasn’t been known to fire weapons while flying in the batwing or bringing down buildings for example. Maybe it is unfair to assume that somewhere in these cases people were killed. But i have always taken his claims a bit like the Federation’s Prime Directive. Also i guess it depends on what medium we are talking about. Deliberately Leaving Ra’s in a train about to crash into a building in Batman Begins seems a bit of a gray area to me.

I suspect that they are setting up Peter but since the new “most dramatic introduction” process seems to be to announce the next bachelor after BIP they may wait to see how Mike does.

Well that was 7200 seconds I’ll never get back—especially when counting them down was the most interesting thing in the episode. Both Hannah and Jed looked like middle schoolers whose parents told them they had to do their homework when they were reflecting on the unreasonable expectations that Hannah’s dad had about Jed supporting himself. It really is unfair that they can’t go to the movies on Tuesday night just because Wednesday is a school day. But couldn’t we have more shots of her saying that she was anxious. They could have made it 3 hours long if they had really milked that theme instead of passing it by after only 100 times.

Don’t you mean tomorrow’s the night? I assume that we will get 60 minutes of commercials, 45 minutes of final two visits, and 15 minutes of random pablum.

I’m a bit surprised you didn’t mention Maura who seems to be pretty bad—worse on my watching than Amber. I think that when Curtis chose her over Francesca it was all downhill. But i never saw earlier seasons so i have nothing to compare it to.

Of course, for someone with a no killing philosophy Batman has killed a lot of people...

There was enough Luke about half way through the season. Hasn't stopped them before...

So do we think that they will bring Luke back for ATFR? 😨

I merely answered someone's question. Nowhere in my response did I demand that other people must believe in Christianity. But you did say "Christians believe" I think. Stinamaia was objecting to defining what all Christians believe. But there has been a wide range of attitudes among Christians since the primitive church about sex and marriage. Some were banished as heretics of course. But still it is a religion with a pretty diverse history on these issues. No one said you said everyone had to be Christian.

When I hear someone say that they will forgive you for your sins that sounds like judgment to me. Let's face it--and this isn't just about Christianity--but the whole language of sin is a judgmental language. It was defined that way. Luke has been saying that to her for weeks.

I don’t really like Hannah but last time i checked she still has her body.

Apparently Shakespeare was recapping Bachelorette episodes 500 years before they took place! A previously unimagined variant of Sonnet 129 reads: “Th' expense of spirit in a waste of shame Is Luke in action; and till action, Luke Is perjured, murd'rous, bloody, full of blame, Savage, extreme, rude, cruel, not to trust, Enjoyed no sooner but despisèd straight, Past reason hunted; and, no sooner had Past reason hated as a swallowed bait On purpose laid to make the taker mad; Mad in pursuit and in possession so, Had, having, and in quest to have, extreme; A bliss in proof and proved, a very woe;” Before, a joy proposed; behind, a dream. All this the world well knows; yet none knows well To shun the heaven that leads Hannah to this hell.” 🙄

I was surprised that Jed didn't insist on being in the band when Hannah and Tyler were dancing

IMDB says she left the show in 95 so I think you are right.

I don't remember what that was?

Doesn't that depend on whether they make Luke show up to men tell all?

There are two books. Both worth reading.

I guess I don't get this. Basically the look on Luke's face seems to me to be "oh, I said something but for some reason she doesn't know that I am completely correct so I am going to look like I am listening and am sad." But he is always sure that she misunderstood what he said even when it is exactly what is on tape. He expects her to listen to him but knows that she gets to choose as long as the show is going on. After that....

Tbh, leaving aside the physical, i think the real point is that Hannah is still at that age when the “drama” seems to her to be a sign of deep emotional connection. It is all about the frisson around Luke—that’s not a bug for her it’s the feature. The fact that she could say that either she is falling in love with him or she is losing her mind is a sign of this. Luke is clearly manipulative. But it is possible that he is of the George Costanza school of “it’s not a lie if you believe it.” So maybe since he knows that he is the eight person for her and that God came to him in the shower that nothing he says is a lie because it is simply part of the deeper truth that her marrying him is the divine plan.

I think that the “useless things” are anything that is not about her tbh.

Not to mention that he saw God in the mirror...err i mean in the shower.

Sounds like the Bachelorette version of Sense and Sensibility

They would have seen who was able to have the most dramatic bathroom break and based it on that.

Well they do have to decide if they want to “accept this 🌹”. That is a challenge

Although I find myself filled with self-loathing in finding some rationality in Cam, I do think it is possible that his condition did cause him to lose relationships. If his condition could recur I can imagine some people deciding they didn't want to have to handle it. They wouldn't be the first people who decided to bail rather than take on a responsibility of care. I'd like to think that wouldn't be the case. But does anyone really think it doesn't happen?