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I've hated the way it's so obvious everyone is reading their lines in their TH's. I said it at the beginning that if that's how they sound reading lines and they're pretty much all in the entertainment business (besides Dawn, obviously), then it's no wonder they don't seem to get much work. Yikes. Yeah, but we've already seen how unthoughtful and self-centered Dawn is, so I'm not surprised that she didn't include anything non-alcoholic, especially since she's already shown that she doesn't give a damn about Lila's sobriety or doing anything to encourage her to stay on the wagon.

Thank God I'll have some good company on my one-way trip to hell!

In Dawn's own words about the "little people burlesque show", all I have to say about her charity event is, "That... was a joke!" The nonprofit is called Distributing Dignity and yet, there was nothing dignified about that so-called charity event. Not by the way Dawn put it together. I'd be downright insulted if I was the founder of that charity. I mean, according to the way this show portrayed it, Dawn threw that shit together like she truly didn't give a shit. I mean, first, she found the venue a mere 3 days before the event. The venue holds 100 people. So she wants 100 people to show up when she finalized the location only 3 days prior? Yeah, send out an invite and see how many people can drop everything they're doing and run to a nonprofit charity function with 3 days notice. Jeez, she really would need Jason or someone standing out there like the Salvation Army Santa at Christmastime ringing the bell to get peoples' attention (and donation) to come in. Then she expects her non-artist friends to paint vaginas... um, excuse me, "a woman's essence", and expects people to buy that lame crap? Sorry, but no. And I guess many of the paintings were really bad not only because of the peoples' reactions to some of them, but because the editors had to freakin' blur out several of the pictures! Seriously, Dawn? We're not auctioning off Georgia O'Keeffe pieces here. I don't really give a crap what the surrounding area of the venue looked like because I know there are lots of beautiful spaces in NYC that, on the outside, look really sketchy until you go inside. But Misty and Kristin did have a point only because it was totally hypocritical for Dawn to criticize their place in such a way when this venue could by criticized the same way. Why would the goodie bags have tampons? I thought the sanitary products were supposed to be donated to those in need, not given in a goodie bag to those who came to donate to the charity. Am I missing something here? If Dawn is truly in charge of organizing charity events for her job and this entire thing wasn't a total setup by this show's producers, I'd either fire her ass (especially since this has now been "publicized" on national TV) or, at the very least, strip her of that responsibility. It was pretty embarrassing on several levels. I'm really, really disappointed with the direction this show has taken within the last couple of episodes (and also, judging by the previews for next week's episode). I honestly thought it was going to be less trashy and bitchy than the LA series, but it's quickly become the screechy, backstabbing, harpy bitches show. No, thank you.

"Cute baby"? Um, I know I might go to hell for saying this, but when I pulled up this picture of their baby on the Bravo website, I literally gasped... and not in a good way. As Cameran from "Southern Charm" has said, when you see a baby that's not cute, you just smile and say, "Ohhh, that's precious!" Yep, "precious", indeed. Ahem. Laura miscarried the first baby, but got pregnant again pretty quickly thereafter. They had a boy named Jackson Thomas Knight (the middle name, Thomas, was named after Laura's late brother): P.S. There are more pictures of the babies on the Bravo website here: http://www.bravotv.com/newlyweds-the-first-year/photos/newlyweds-season-2-baby-album/item/10690006

I am honestly the worst at judging someone's height because everyone is taller than me. LOL She was, of course, wearing high heels and then sitting for the rest of the time meeting people and signing books. But I'd say she's in the lower 5' to 5'5" foot range.

So, um, do the producers seriously think we're all so stupid that we don't own a calendar or know how to tell time? Why the hell would they fake the Mother's Day thing when Mother's Day hasn't even happened yet?! If they wanted to have Joe pamper Terra and give her gifts, then do something more believable. I've never had a kid, but isn't there some new bullshit thing where some men give the women a "push present" after they have the baby? I could see Terra asking for a "push present" (afterall, she did the whole "sip and see" bullshit - hello, watch Phaedra on "The Real Housewives of Atlanta" much, Terra?), so even that would've had me roll my eyes just a little less than outright faking a holiday.

Yes, Jason was definitely being very messy this episode which sucks because he makes me laugh fairly often. That said, though, I really didn't think Misty's anger towards Jordanna was justified. Jealousy? Sure, I can understand that, but Jordanna, as far as I can tell, didn't do anything to stab Misty in the back. It was the designer's decision to let her wear the money dress, it was the designer's decision to offer her to walk in the Paris fashion show. Like Jordanna said, what was she supposed to do, say no? It's business and nothing personal. I have to say, I thought Misty was acting like an entitled bitch to put it bluntly. "It was MY dress and she took it! It was MY trip to Paris and she took it!" Um, no, the designer told you they still had to make a decision. Plus, maybe you shouldn't outright insult the designer's clothes either; that miiiiight be another reason why you didn't get the finale outfit or an offer to walk in Paris. Just sayin'. I think Misty was totally showing her age here - totally immature, unprofessional, and inexperienced. Pouty, insulting, and unappreciative... this is NOT how you act in any field of business if you want to advance. I was a little shocked by the designer bluntly telling Misty that she needed to lose weight, but then again, I wasn't after a moment because this is the fashion industry we're talking about. I guess that may have been another reason why Misty didn't get an offer. Jordanna, you're definitely pretty, but please, for the love of God, get a new hairstyle. Super curly is one thing and absolutely fine, but the middle part that makes you look like you have Herman Munster's flat-topped head is not working. I couldn't help but notice Dawn's huge smirk and grin when Jason and Jordanna were going at it. She not only loves creating the drama herself, but she clearly loves any drama where people are cutting each others' throats. What a bitch. I'm glad Dawn actually apologized to Jazmin, but I still don't believe for a damn minute she meant it or that she learned from this. She doesn't give a shit who she hurts or that just because she's being "brutally honest", it doesn't make it okay. Learn some humility and boundaries, you idiot. This episode and the previews for next week's episode have me feeling slightly disappointed because it seems like the LA cattiness has now infiltrated NY. Some drama - believable drama, that is - is understandable and okay. Constantly being screaming harpy bitches every episode is not necessary. Sigh.

So, I got the opportunity to meet Bethenny tonight at a book signing out here on Long Island. She looked great and couldn't have been nicer. I knew she would be skinny, but despite what some pictures show in the media, she really didn't look as unhealthily skinny as I thought she would. Her waist is tiny as hell, but I didn't think she was going to break in half or anything. I hate that I got a tiny bit nervous when I spoke to her; I joked with her a bit, but I wish I had thought of more witty things to say, haha. :)

It's funny, I've been thinking the same thing about Whitney prior to this episode. I wonder if it has something to do with the fact that he's one of the reasons behind the creation of the show. Perhaps he thinks he needs to be the one to purposely provoke people and cause drama. Not only is he outing Craig for his fuck ups, but he did it with Thomas and Kathryn at the Senate race announcement dinner where he said that Kathryn is waiting for an engagement ring. Who the hell says that to a couple (that's already struggling to stay together) in front of several other people? A douchebag looking for drama, that's who. So, I think his actions are part Doucheferatu and part playing the antagonist on purpose. I hate to be pessimistic, but I don't think that's a good sign that he has turned things around and has been getting his shit together. What was his excuse for not studying for the February exam since he had no job? Giving himself more time lessens the pressure. Plus, summer is now upon us; he's not going to want to stay indoors studying non-stop when everyone is out having a great time and enjoying the warm weather. But who knows. I couldn't help but shake my head at all of Craig's twisting the truth about being fired. "It was time to part ways." You were FIRED. "My boss and I have been disagreeing a lot about my job responsibilities." Yeah, you thought you had none and he disagreed, so he FIRED your ass. "I'm transitioning out of my job." Yeah, you transitioned your way into being FIRED. As if no one would have seen this when it aired! I'm so happy they got his boss firing him on camera. He couldn't lie his way out of that forever. Not too much Kathryn and Thomas drama tonight, thank God.

I just watched this interview On Demand and was left wondering the same thing as many of you: what is the deal with Amanda and Gina's relationship - or lack thereof - with Michelle? I saw a separate interview with Michelle on E! with Giuliana Rancic and was suprised to see that Michelle is actually a lot more articulate than I expected. Yes, it is clearly evident that she has some challenges (some were present prior to her kidnapping, but I believe there are a lot more as a result of her severe abuse during her captivity), but she is pretty well spoken and observant as far as I could tell. I also saw the last hour or so of the Lifetime movie about their ordeal and it seems like Michelle would at least be close with Gina because they appeared to be locked away together for the most part. So, even if Amanda doesn't have a relationship with Michelle now, I really wonder what happened with Gina's relationship with her. It's all very puzzling to me. Regardless of the reason(s), however, I do hope they continue to be diplomatic and never turn on each other. Edited to add: I don't think Amanda was the first to get a diary to write in. I'm pretty sure Michelle had gotten at least paper to write on and eventually a diary/notebook even before Amanda was kidnapped. Michelle also seemed to have a pretty good read on Ariel and could manipulate him in her own ways to her advantage when needed according to what she has said in her own interview. Needless to say, I think they all did what they could as far as their interactions with Ariel and their own ways of surviving the hell. Michelle's "challenges" may make her seem childlike, but like I stated earlier, she was a lot more well spoken and even mature than I expected. I thought Gina came across as the most childlike in the interview, even moreso than Michelle. I attribute that to her being so young when she was kidnapped.

I don't know why everyone is so worried about Nadine having to give up her precious sleep or need to chew each bite of food 40 times just because she has a child. She said sure as hell isn't going to let some baby rule the roost, remember?! ;)

Dawn, you're a manipulative bitch and friends or not, I would tell that to your face. Trust that! I so wanted to like Dawn at the beginning. It sucks that she's quickly becoming the one I dislike the most. For every problem she likes to point out that others have, I think she has about 10 times more. Jazmin was right to call her out on the twisting things around and shifting blame on to others. I'm a pretty straightforward and honest person, but I do my best to avoid drama and confrontation, especially when it's mixed with manipulation. Dawn is the type of person I hate to deal with; they're so good at twisting things around that they somehow start to make me feel like the crazy one when I know I'm not! I can understand Misty being a little jealous of Jordanna. Like she said, it's a normal human emotion. But in the industry that they're in, she's going to have to quickly learn to suck it up, put on her big girl panties and deal with it. If I didn't think Jason's big announcement about moving out wasn't for a shock value storyline (shock for his parents, at least), I'd say he probably realized he got in way over his head thinking he could afford moving out on his own in NYC when he doesn't have a full-time stable job and income. I still don't believe he could live in NYC/LI/one of the 5 boroughs all of these years and not know full well how expensive it is to live on your own, but whatever. Regardless of whether or not he knew beforehand, if it really is a financial struggle, I don't think it's being cowardly or right for his friends to call him a coward. If he's lucky enough to be able to live at home until he saves enough or gets himself in a more stable and comfortable financial position, then that's smarter than moving out, creating a mound of debt, and struggling to find money to feed himself each day just to prove a point out of spite.

God, I hope this isn't because of Kourtney Kardashian! Sigh. I didn't want to touch this, yet probably against my better judgement I am. First, you are 100% allowed to voice whatever opinion you have and want to share. Despite the fact that I clearly have had different opinions than yours on this issue throughout this board, I am still open to hearing them and do respect them. Needless to say, we're all not going to share the same opinion on this or anything else in life, but that's how this world works. Secondly, Terra and Joe didn't get pregnant on purpose. The didn't try for a baby on purpose and giddily cross their fingers for a dwarf child. They only found out about the child having dwarfism because they could tell from the sonogram and did further testing. So at that point, what were they supposed to do? Abort her? Abortion is obviously a very touchy topic for many and I won't get deeply into that now, but I'm sorry, I don't think it's anyone's right or place to have told Terra and Joe to have an abortion at that point simply because the baby has dwarfism. You commented that Terra and Joe's child "will always be 'different' and she will know it." Hm, that's funny... I thought every single person in this world is different from one another. I think we are all okay with that and still somehow are able to continue on with our lives just fine. :) In all seriousness, though, so what if their child knows she's different? How does that lessen her quality of life or limit who she is or may become? Who's to say that Terra and Joe's daughter won't grow up to accomplish huge things despite her disability... despite being "different"? Maybe she'll be President of the United States. Maybe she'll start and run a charity that helps millions of people. Hell, maybe she'll find a cure for cancer! The possibilities for her are endless and to deny her life just to avoid having her know or feel that she's "different" is short-sighted (no pun intended) to say the least. On the flipside, Terra and Joe could have had an average height child who grew up to be a career criminal, child molester, or worse. If that was the case, would it have been okay or better for them to have that child just because they weren't a dwarf? Truth be told, I am only made to feel "different" by some people who choose to stare at me inappropriately. As weird as this may sound, I really do "forget" that I am a little person unless I encounter one of these infamous starers. But other than that, my quality of life was and is great despite being "different." Unlike some of the women on the LA and NY shows, I have been fortunate enough to have never experienced physical threats or harm because of being little. If staring is the worst I have to deal with, so be it. These people don't know me. They don't know all of the great things I have and continue to accomplish. So, stare on at my awesome self, mother-effers! Take a picture, it'll last longer. ;) (Just kidding, that does happen sometimes and I hate when people do that. :P) Again, to say someone is "selfish" for bringing a child into this world knowing that they are "different" is not fair. And it's not just about a disability. Let me give you an example that I feel is a good parallel. It's sad that some parts of this world and our own country still treat minorities or mixed people with disdain and disrespect. If a minority or interracial couple decide to have a child knowing that the child will likely encounter racism at some point, maybe even often, does that make them "selfish" for bringing that child into the world? I don't believe so. I'd like to see someone tell a minority or an interracial couple to their face that they're selfish for having children because they'll be "different" and see where that gets them. Other peoples' intolerance is not the prejudged person's problem. It's up the parents to help mold and strengthen their child's self-worth and self-esteem no matter what their race, gender, creed, religion, or physical or intellectually abilities may be. I fully believe Terra and Joe are people who will raise Penny to be a confident, self-assured, positive person despite her "difference." Is it tough being a little person at times? Absofuckinglutely! I will be totally honest and admit that I am still on the fence about having children of my own. A small part of that is because if I end up with a child with dwarfism, I don't want a child of mine to endure any of the hardships and obstacles I have had to face. However, my life could be 1000x's worse and I'm so grateful it's not! I fully believe my experience as a little person is 100x's better/easier than those who were born 50 years before me. I'd like to believe that society is still evolving and any child I or another person has who is born with dwarfism will have a life that's 100x's better than mine, too. Furthermore, my reservations on potentially having a child with dwarfism is personal; I sure as hell would never, ever feel like it's okay or my right to tell someone else to not have children because they have the potential to be "different." No matter what, life is going to be hard whether you're a little person, in a wheelchair, a minority, gay/bi/transgender, etc. But as those with us with "differences" work on ourselves to be good people, it's up to those others without such "differences" to work on themselves and future generations to be tolerant, open-minded, and accepting without prejudices. My sincere hope for you (or anyone who holds unfair prejudices) is that, heaven forbid, you, a sibling, relative, or good friend have a child who has a disability that you don't make them feel "different", judged, or sorry for them. Or even if your child, relative, or friend's child decides to date a person with a disability, you don't make them feel "different" or judged for that either. Bottom line, we're all different; that's what makes this crazy world go 'round! :)

The more I see of Dorinda's daughter, the more I can't stop comparing her to the character "Hatchet-face" from the Johnny Depp movie, "Cry-Baby." FUGLY. It's not just her eyebrows that are harsh; it's her whole look and make up style in general. And Countess called those bushy caterpillars beautiful? Um, NO. What kind of a name is Dorinda, anyway? It constantly makes me think of Doritos. I'm not sure why the producers thought she'd be a good addition to the cast or better yet, why they felt they needed to add anyone else when Bethanny was returning. Dorinda adds nothing to the show for me. If anything, she's taking up time that could be better spent on the other ladies. Not that they're all so overly fascinating, but at least I'm used to and committed to watching their b.s. already. What's funny is that I totally thought he was saying to her, "Maybe I should call your daughter." Which I could understand why Dorinda would tell him to back the fuck up. I thought it was a total slimeball thing to say, especially to someone you've been dating for 2 years. It wasn't until tonight with the closed captioning that I see he said that she should call her daughter. Well, hey, passive aggressive remarks aside, he sort of did have a point. Dorinda's daughter is technically an adult; she shouldn't dictate her mother's dating life or life in general. Unless the guy is a philanderer and/or abusive in some way, her daughter needs to let her mother do her thing in the dating world. The co-dependent nature between Dorinda and her daughter is a bit much. Oh, and newsflash, Dorinda: millions of young girls around the world have lost their step-fathers/father figures and even their own fathers and have survived, grown up, and moved on to lead productive lives instead of mooching off of their widowed mothers for years. If she's still that emotionally broken by it, get her to a therapist and help her stand on her own two feet ASAP.

Joe wanted the named Penelope; I don't think he had any particular reason other than that he thought it was cute. Terra liked and wanted Charlevoix (hence, "Charlie") because it was a town that she would vacation in with her family growing up, but she let Joe have the first name and she settled on letting her pick be the middle name.

I'm glad someone requested a new forum for this show because I'm interested to hear what others think about it. I stumbled upon it because I'm a sucker for "The First 48" if there's nothing else interesting to watch. I guess my main question is - how is this legal? I thought even merely soliciting a prostitute is illegal and grounds for getting arrested. Undercover cops nab prostitutes in stings from time to time; obviously it's not like the cops had any sexual contact with them before they could say, "Hands up! You're under arrest!" I know the pastor is a former police officer, but he's not now. Does he have some kind of agreed upon arrangement with the local police or something? I suppose I should just assume that it is somehow set up to be legal since it's airing on TV, but I'm really curious as to how. I'm also wondering if there's a good amount of editing involved because how could every single pimp come looking for their prostitute within a span of only 8 minutes? Is there a national prostitution law that they must check in with their pimps within 8 minutes? I highly doubt that. The deal is usually for a half hour or an hour of their "services", so wouldn't the pimp not come to check until that agreed upon time is over? Plus, I thought the 8 minutes gimmick was just an average. So, if they're playing around with the editing, I wish that they wouldn't. You can keep the clock in the corner of the screen, but let it show the actual time, not the 8 minute timeclock.

What, are you serious??? I was totally joking when I came up with the title of this thread for her. I swear I didn't know this! Wow. If that's true, that's fucking sad. Edited to add: I tried to Google this, but aside from one really questionable porn reference and very risque picture of her, I'm mostly coming up with another porn star with the same name except she spells her name with one "N": Jordana James.

I was thinking pretty much the same thing myself: why didn't Terra sit and hold Penny while Joe somehow maneuvered the bassinet into the bedroom? But I'm going to chalk it up to it both of them being overtired and not thinking clearly, as well as the fact that they are literally trying to figure out every move with the baby minute by minute, hour by hour, day by day. They'll get the hang of it. P.S. I am about 90% sure I am not going to have kids, but if I do, it's nice to know a crib like the one they had made exists! Although I would slightly alter the design a bit, overall, something like that would totally make things easier on me.

It's been two days, so I figured it'd be okay to start the topic for this episode since no one else did. Sorry if I stepped on any toes in doing so! I thought this was probably one of the most interesting episodes of this season. Certainly it was mostly because of Erik's background story with his Sister Mother (sorry, I couldn't help myself). Wow, it's no wonder this guy is so starved for attention, love, and a sense of family. Did his mother have anything at all to do with his upbringing? I can't imagine she did much what with being an alcoholic. I must admit that I am somewhat hesitant to say he was actually "abandoned" because I believe he said that she joined the convent when he was 19-years-old. At 19, you're not really a kid anymore and should be able to start living on your own and taking on adult responsibilities for yourself. However, given her background, I can see why he still actually felt abandoned nonetheless. I might go to hell for saying this, but she definitely seems a few prayer beads short of a Rosary. It's sad that his desperate need for love and a family led him to settle on that neurotic Nadine because I so want him to run in the other direction. Alas, he would probably feel a second divorce is out of the question and, well, they are now with child. But seriously... if the silent dinner wasn't incredibly awkward enough, did the selfish bitch really need to employ her stupid 3,972 chews per mouthful of food at that point, thereby making them literally the last people at dinner? And when he mimes to her to hurry up, she just dorkily grins and pats her belly. Ugh. At least she seems somewhat understanding of his rough childhood. Then again, the pessimistic and jaded side of me fully believes she couldn't stand that trip being all about Erik and that's why she suddenly had a "breakdown" about her late mother and what it feels like to bring a daughter into the world. Any other woman I'd probably say it's hormones and just random timing, but seeing how self-centered she is, nope. She couldn't stand not having the full attention and spotlight on her and it being all about Erik, Erik, Erik for once. Jerk. Toi and Rouvaun have really, really grown on me since the beginning. They truly seem to love and appreciate one another and their honeymoon looked wonderful. As of right now, I really hope they make it until they are well into their golden years. Not much to say about Kirk and Laura except that he seems to be really supportive through the aftermath of the miscarriage. I'm glad they are finding things to occupy their time and thoughts, but I have to admit that I'm shocked he didn't act like a total immature frat boy about the naked art class. I wonder if she gets pregnant again really quickly judging from next week's previews. Sam and Laura... tick tock. The prenup will come in handy for Sam.

I'm so confused. I thought Dawn was a biological child and her brother was the only one adopted? And that they found out she happened to have the same brittle bone disease (or whatever it is) as her parents after she kept breaking several bones. Argh, no matter. I'll just have to catch a rerun of the first episode to clarify it for myself the next time Lifetime repeats them all to death. Thank you, bref, for saying that as long as Dawn's boyfriend decides he can deal with any struggles that may come their way because of her disability, then his parents need to suck it up and shut the hell up. It's not like she's an ex-con with a violent, drug addict, or serial killer rap sheet that his parents need to worry so much about him and his future with her. FYI, being concerned and being prejudiced assholes about one's disability are two totally separate things.

Haha, I laughed because the original tweet is funny. It wasn't "disgusting", Lila. I still can't hop onto her bandwagon, though; the crazy she exhibits freaks me out a bit.

I'm a little puzzled by this whole intervention deal. If Dawn and Jazmin are such besties with Lila, wouldn't they have known how serious Lila's drinking is/was? I'm sure they would've known she went to rehab, detox, and AA. So, how could they think drinking with her - even in a "controlled" way - would be okay? Would you give a cocaine or meth addict who already went to rehab "just a little hit" every now and then? NO. So, I don't get how Dawn and Jazmin couldn't have known what a huge issue this would be for Lila. This makes me call bullshit on at least some of this so-called intervention. As much as I want to root for Dawn, her smug facial expressions (like when she said, "Yeah, I've seen Lila drink... and Jazmin has, too!") kind of make me want to punch her... at least in the shoulder. Don't make me hate you, Dawn! Jason is 100% right to have a back up plan. Jordanna, I'm sorry to say, is living in a fantasy world thinking her entertainment career is going to make her financially stable in NYC for the long haul. I mean, it's hard enough for the average person to break out into entertainment, and, as I've stated before, as much as I wish little people were given everyday roles just like average height people, it's just not happening. Think about aaaaall of the little people actors out there; how many are legitimately successful, household name actors? I know of 2 - Peter Dinklage and Meredith Eaton (although she's not as much of a recognizable name as Peter). But then again, I guess they're all hoping LW: NY is their ticket to financial and entertainment success, and probably hope this stays on for many years, so maybe they will now have some marginal financial breathing room. Hearing Kristin's and Misty's stories boggles my mind about how how doctors and society in general thought little people should be aborted or institutionalized years ago when they were born. I'm 36, so I might have just missed that mark when doctors thought I would need to be institutionalized. I know my parents had no idea beforehand about me; my older sister is of average height and no one else before (or after me, including my younger half siblings) on either side of my family has dwarfism. (Hell, my father is 6'4" and his side of the family are all tall!) I guess I got to be the lucky one! ;) Seriously, though, like Misty and Kristin said, I'm thankful for the family I was born into - not one single one of them treated me differently and they always pushed me to be successful and like everyone else.