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My name is Kristen Doute. I like long walks on the beach, candlelit dinners, and flying bitches out to L.A.

It all makes sense why the women are finding joy in Luann's misery. Luann has sex with married men and according to the women steals their lovers/boyfriends/potentials. And Luanne's feelings (ego?) are finally hurt by someone being as callous towards her as she is callous towards everyone else. No wonder the other women are happy to make this public. They felt Luann needed to get her comeuppance and she has. In the words from Heather in the OC the other women are doing some "low based bullshit" but I completely understand where they're coming from. With regards to how much Luanne has fucked them over, and not cared a single bit, I might feel the same way if I was in their shoes.

He totes gay. He made a comment about having sex and he referred to the people he has sex with as "my lovers" rather than "my girlfriends".

Yes. In a mansion. In Cali. I like Paul, but he needs the money the least of anybody.

I think James voted Tiffany as so not to upset his "girlfriend" in the house, Natalie. I think Bridgette's calm reaction to Frank's big reveals last night was Bridgette playing the game of BB. She said in her intro on the first episode that she likes to play the nice girl so that no one suspects her. I think that's what she's doing now. Cosying up to who she thought had the most power and going along with whatever for right now, but she's just biding her time until she's in more of a power position. Just my OP :-)

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If this convo about Vicki lying or not continues for the next 2 episodes I'm out this season. I'm so bored and over it. I also don't give a shit about how sick Brianna is. I wish her the best, and I'm sorry she's not well, but I don't want to watch a whole season of it. Ironically, Vicki is actually going through a lot on the sidelines with this and it's legit, but I wonder if she'll get any sympathy from the HW bc of last year.

Slow your roll. I didn't say EVERYONE in the South is a Redneck. I just said Kathyrn is. And she is. I wonder if she had been able to maintain some level of decorum, do you all think Thomas wouldn't have stepped out? Or do you all think she could have been perfect and he would have stepped out anyway?

Kathryn may have some mental health issues but the biggest reason she acts the way she does is because she's a redneck. Have you all seen/been around teenage rednecks? Watch Jerry Springer? They all act like that. Usually girl rednecks go for pale, skinny, tattooed, deadbeat white guys, but Kathryn has some real daddy issues so she went for Thomas.

Pauly is even-keeled and funny. It's not an act, or at least his personality here is consistent with all the seasons of Jersey Shore.

They've been together a year. *sigh* So disappointed. Pauly D is one of my biggest celebrity crushes and she sucks so bad. He deserves better.

If the showriters really want to break barriers, they should write Shari and Quinn interesting enough to not need a love interest at all for the whole season. Imagine a show with women in the lead and it's not about a love story at all.

What has Kathryn lied about?

This perfectly describes Shannon. For all 3 seasons.

"Proper Southern Girls" and white trash are not the same thing. At least, not on the surface. What is supposed to be proper and acceptable vs what actually happens is what this fight between Kathryn and Landon is all about. Kathryn (white trash) is angry all the time bc so much of the cast participates in the same behavior that she does (promiscuity, drug use) but they lie and hide it while openly chastising her for it. Kathryn knows Landon slept with TRav and is calling her out on her hypocrisy. Kathryn is messy but she's honest and real and I would take that any day over the fakeness and meanness of the other woman on the show. With Kathryn what you see is what you get while the other women would gossip viciously behind your back while being nice to your face. That's what TRav was attempting to articulate during his dinner party. He was also attempting to point out the hypocrisy in most of cast members where they often demean Kathryn regarding behaviors they participate in themselves. Again, the show is about the class system and supposed manners vs what's beneath the surface. The real issue the cast members have with Kathryn is that she calls some of them on their bullshit, and they are horrified by that because they're so desperate to keep up appearances.

Does anyone know the structure the Couchers are given? Like: How do they know the background of a show that none of them watch? How many episodes do the Couchers have to watch before they feel the Couchers can give good commentary? How are the Couchers selected? Are there rules about what they can and can't say about a show? For example, can they offer specific critique about a show but not make a blanket statement, "This show sucks".

I got the impression (which may be totally wrong) that they would each be in charge of alternating episodes and seeing who could get the best reactions/make the most interesting TV from the women, not creating 2 different shows. But if there are 2 separate shows made from the same material, it will be interesting to see what editing does using two different takes on the same scenario.

I LOVE this show. So glad it's back. who was the guy following the suitor around? His manager? Best friend? Entourage?

I agree. Dorinda thought removing Sonja would stop the B-monster, but B was intent on going off on someone.

Bethenny doesnt like Luanne because Luanne seemingly can have any guy she wants and overtly (according to Bethenny and Ramona) "steals" men from them. B's dislike is based in jealousy and insecurity. IMO there's nothing deeper to it. Both B and R would rather die than admit how eaten up with jealousy they are, so B has to spin nonsensical explanations to try and explain away their over-the-top reactions to Luanne. B is also a very angry person and I think se takes out her aggression on others every chance she gets as a way to release her bottled up anger. She can be witty, funny, insightful, and she tries to use these qualities to cover up her intense insecurities and loneliness. But at her core, she's a very angry and bitter person.

How do you know she didn't treat Chris differently because of her beliefs? Because the producers would have shown it and then shown the roommates commenting on it. And I'm not sure what "being treated differently" is to you, but when I'm being put down, or my entire race is being put down, or my sexual identity is being put down...that is indeed "treating me differently." No. I can think gay sex is disgusting, and still be nice and respectful of gay people. I could hate black/Asian/Jewish/white people, but still be polite to them. People don't always treat others in accordance with how they really feel about them; if society did that, society would collapse. I'm not talking just racially/gender/sexually. I'm talking about that coworker you hate. You still have to be nice to them to keep your job. As long as you treat them with respect, you can feel about them however you want. The idea that Jenna would have to steal their money or clothes before they are allowed to speak up seems a little bizarre to me. No one is saying that they shouldn't be open about their beliefs or to not debate with Jenna. Do you really not see a difference between debating ones beliefs and calling another human being "pathetic, weak, bitch, desperate" and being blatantly disrespectful on a seemingly daily or weekly basis? You can disagree with someone, but that's not just what they were doing. They were bullying her. Basically CJ, Chris feels society gangs up on them. So they decided to band together and gang up on Jenna, who was the minority in the house as far as her beliefs are concerned. They treated her the way they hate being treated. That makes them the worse hypocrites in my eyes. But it felt good to them to take their aggression out on her. And it seems it felt satisfying as a viewer who identifies with CJ/Chris to watch that. But if one were to remain objective, they would see that behavior is deplorable. And antithetical to their goals. Unless you super-identify with CJ or Chris, it's hard not to feel sorry for how Jenna was treated, no matter what racist/homophobic things she said. And I doubly don't feel sorry for CJ/Chris because they had the option of voting Jenna out of the house and didn't. If people had anger issues Jenna would have been beaten up the second week. ^That would be someone with serious mental health issues, who probably would never make it through the psych screen. Someone with anger issues is passive-aggressive (which CJ was with EVERYONE in the house with her "Compli-disses"), holds grudges and lets anger accumulate over time and then unleashes their true feelings in a non-productive/socially acceptable manner. The fact that someone sees being nailed in the face several times at close range as justifiable behavior for verbal sparring (no matter how charged the conversation might be or for how many months it's continued) is unbelievable to me, but to each their own. In real life, Jenna could have called the police and CJ would have gone to jail. Even if they had both been white. Because that's not how we're supposed to handle disagreements in normal, polite society. I'm done discussing this. I don't care if anyone agrees with me or not lol.

Except she hasn't "overcome" her past because she's terribly violent. And I'm not calling her violent just because she's black (as I'm sure some would say I'm alluding to). I'm calling her violent bc she held Jenna's hair and beat the shit out of her. CJ knew she was wrong, too, which is why she told Dean that she shouldn't have "gone there" with Jenna over something "Jenna's friend said".

Jenna said things that were blatantly racist but she never discriminated against anyone in the house, either. She never told Chris she wouldn't hang out with him because he was pansexual or an atheist. She might have internally judged him for it, but didn't treat him differently because of his beliefs. She never told CJ or Dean that she wouldn't hang out with them because they were black. She didn't treat them any differently because they were black. Jenna showed racists thoughts but not discriminatory behavior. However, Chris and CJ went out of their way to pick on her. Jenna made general derogatory statements about race, homosexuality and atheism, but they made it personal about her. They were being really mean to her, personally, in every episode. If she had done something to them, like steal their money or clothes, or tried to turn everyone against them, or had done anything to them besides just have beliefs that different from theirs, then maybe I could've understood and been more empathetic of their treatment to her. But she didn't *do* anything wrong, other than have beliefs that were different than theirs. Don't get me wrong, if they had decided to ignore her and just be polite but not gone any deeper in their friendship with her, I would've totally been on board with that. But to go out of their way to pick on her, when she wasn't tangibly harming them, was really wrong in my opinion. I personally think that both CJ and Chris took out their aggression on Jenna for every time they felt discriminated against or belittled in their lives. I think she became a target not just because of the things she said, but because Chris and CJ have anger issues that haven't been resolved in regards to their identity and how they are treated in daily life and, in Chris's case, by the people in his religion and his family. Jenna became a whipping boy for them to channel their aggression. No one tried to stop them because if you defend someone who's making racist/homophobic remarks, then you're automatically seen to be a racist/homophobe, too, even if in reality you just don't like seeing someone being picked on unjustly. So the other roommates couldn't really even entertain the thought of sticking up for Jenna lest they also be called a racist and homophobic. Plus, they also thought she was super annoying because she refused to take any responsibility for any of her actions.

I think it's funny that they pegged Sonja as a narcissist, when it's clear that they are all Narcissists. Like classic textbook Narcissists. Bethenny is SO jealous of younger looking women. First the caviar waitress and there was another person, I forget who, in an earlier episode. They all condemn Luanne for her promiscuous behavior because they are half jealous / half disgusted by how many guys she sleeps with. I've always wondered what a Manhattan bimbo would look like, because everyone in that part of New York seems not only educated but also sharp. Enter Jules. Now I know. Jules is the New York version of Lynn. I knew Sonya seems slow on the uptake, but I can never tell if she's just dumb and/or has a mental health issue.

The real question is whether Dione is Pauly Shore's love child.