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Who said anything about Sansa's redemption? What does Sansa pleading for Ned's life have to do with anything? I said Sansa hasn't suffered any more than any of the other Starks. And IMO, she absolutely has not. I said that unlike other members of her family she still has her life, so, IMO, she is way ahead of the game. I guess some people consider her time with Ramsay to hell and back. I would only entertain thinking that if she found herself pregnant by him. But as long as she remains alive she has a chance for happiness. Ned, Catelyn, Rob and Rickon have been deprived of that; as someone who cherishes life, I consider an untimely death the worst thing ever. BTW, it almost sounds like you're blaming Ned for his death when the blame falls squarely on all those you named, some more than others.

Sansa has not suffered any more than anyone else from House Stark. The ordeals they've endured have been different, that is all. And no matter what she's endured, she still has her life. You can't say that for Ned, Catelyn (hate her, too), Rob or Rickon. And you are right, I don't like her. I don't see her as the second coming of anything. Never have and never will.

Ditto for Sansa. See previous posts for my thoughts on Sansa's worthiness.

It's good Sansa was able to redeem herself in your eyes. But my feelings about the situation and Sansa remain unchanged. I don't consider her a leader because none of the Northern houses have thrown in with House Stark except badass Lady Lyanna and that little girl makes 10 of Sansa easily. And even if they did, I don't believe they would answer to Sansa.

And so would Sansa Stark. As for Jon being dead w/o the Vale showing up, maybe. Maybe not. Jon should have been dead way before that point, but he wasn't. Why was that?

To the people calling Jon an idiot: Enough. Jon is one of the most human characters in all of Westeros. It would have been completely out of character for him NOT to try to save Rickon. Who wouldn't have done exactly the same thing in his shoes? What would the complaint be if he had sat there and simply watched Rickon run for his life, doing nothing? Sansa is hardly the hero or saint of this story. Had she spoken up about her inside Ramsay knowledge before the night of the battle (and maybe offered up some ideas of how to beat him at his own game) or confided in Jon about the Vale's army, maybe things would have gone differently...at least the part where so many Team Stark fighters died needlessly. Sansa didn't say "Ramsay will drag Rickon out on the battlefield to bait you." She said he likes to hurt people. I don't know, but that's pretty damn abstract. For all she knew Ramsay could have thrown Rickon's head out on the field like he did Shaggy Dog's. The point is, she didn't add anything to the conversation and she COULD have. Why didn't she? I don't know what Sansa's problems are and truthfully, I don't give a flying fuck. I couldn't get past the smug, self-satisfied look on her face when the Vale army showed up all the while sitting safely on the sidelines next to Littlefinger. Did she even care about the people who were fighting and dying for Winterfell? Did she even care about Jon, or has she been play acting with him all along? Nope, I can't stand Sansa Stark. If Jon's an idiot, she's far, far worse.

Yes, Yara was flirting and Dany was amused, but the most important thing to both of them was achieving their respective goals without conflict between them. As for sexy times, sure it could happen, but does it have to or need to? Truthfully, I'm getting a little tired of this particular trope and Dany has never fallen into bed easily, so I'd be surprised if she did now because it's Yara flirting.

Tomato tomahto. Where you see sexual tension I see two accomplished women sizing each other and appreciating what they saw in the other: an ally worthy of respect.

Well, Sansa had to have her badass bitch moment regardless if JON SNOW had to be written poorly so she could get it. That said, the shot of Jon staring down the calvary was AWESOME and so was his fighting. I'm not a Sansa fan, but the writers could have made her somewhat tolerable to me if they hadn't so blatantly wanted her to be someone special. Oooo! Girl power! Sansa can't plan battle strategy or fight. What she did do was pout and complain, call for Littlefinger and kept his army a secret from Jon. Wow. That's badass, alright. That's why I'm team Dany. She is someone special and she finally got to kick some major ass this week. Loved the Meeren scenes and those dragons.....sigh.

Between this little bitch and Paige on The Americans, I have reached my tolerance for rude, disrespectful teenagers. If this is truly the way parents are allowing their kids to behave and talk to them these days, I don't hold out any hope for the future. Had I talked to my parents like Janey did, I wouldn't be alive to write this now. Double down on that for talking to a grandmother like that. WTF does she think she is? Also, I think Diana is a sanctimonious cow, never liked Meg and Sally is just stupid.

I don't quite understand how story beats are consistently missed. As a non-book reader, I didn't find it odd that the kid back in Prestonpans knew who Jamie was for two reasons: (1) he already had quite the colorful history with the Brits stationed in Scotland prior to the Jacobite uprising and considering his physical stamina for abuse and distinctive features (i.e. red hair), it makes sense that British patrols, and those constantly in their company, would have some knowledge of him, and (2) his name was now on a document pledging loyalty to BPC. Jamie and company weren't exactly hiding while they went about rallying men and gathering supplies for BPC's cause prior to any actual skirmishes so, it doesn't seem odd at all that there would be today's version of wanted posters circulating around the highlands. The British had been occupying Scotland for years and not every Scot was a rebel; the redcoats had spies and I would expect the "best army in the world" to have a pretty good idea about what the enemy was up to. The explanation for the rebels splitting up and coming together at the church was also addressed. That said, I like it when writers assume that the viewers are paying attention to the story and can figure things out without being constantly fed exposition by the characters. I've learned to watch Outlander with CC on because there are times I wouldn't know what the clans were talking about without it. Twitter can be toxic. Someone complains and the next person has to top that person's complaint and so on and so on. Some of the complaints are reasonable, but others are just whacked. I'm sure there are tons of book scenes complete with beloved dialogue near and dear to someone's heart, but the fact is there is no way in hell that a visual production (like a television series) can show them all. They have to pick and choose, condense and merge for the medium. I think reasonable people should be able to realize that and move on. This also applies to casting, IMO. It is what it is. I think the producers did a stellar job casting the leads and the other principal characters. Now there are plenty of shows out there to bitch about and even I would be happy to join the choir for those offenders, but for the most part, I don't feel that Outlander is one of them. Maybe so, but it seems the basic structure of such a declaration is authentic per Àdhamh Ó Broin, Outlander's Gaelic expert.

I accept this. •ᴗ•

It just strikes me as weird because she could remember and honor Frank by wearing it on her right hand just as well. Her real marriage should be honored by wearing Jamie's ring on her left. But that's just me being totally anal about it. Anyway, I don't remember Claire and Jamie having any conversation about Frank's ring in The Wedding. If there are some book reasons, I'm unaware as I haven't read them and don't plan to.

Question...this has always bothered me. Is Claire right or left-handed? If she's right-handed, she's wearing Jamie's ring on that hand and Frank's on the left. Why would she do that since she has pledged herself completely to Jamie?

I LOVED, LOVED, LOVED this episode. I love that Jamie is such a romantic and poetic soul. The scene of him praying over Claire in Gaelic was wonderful in its expression of love, tenderness, intimacy and yes, there was reverence, too. I was happy to see Dougal back so soon and the return of Munro (I missed him). There was plenty of tension and suspense during the redcoat ambush and again at the duke's home. I was so afraid one of my faves (Murtagh, Rupert or Dougal) was going to be killed. It's sad seeing Rupert still mourning Angus and that he no longer has Angus to bounce his thoughts off of. It's also nice to see Rupert & Dougal claiming Claire as one of their own when Jamie went after her. I felt the knife in Jamie's heart when he had to let Claire go with the redcoats. I adore the intensity of his gaze when looking at his wife, as if he's trying imprint every inch of her to memory. And how chilling was Dougal's remark that he was holding the man in charge personally responsible for Claire's safety? The action at Sandringham's was WELL worth the wait. It was great seeing Mary find her courage to take part in Claire's plan, then to personally take revenge on her rapist. I was happy that it was revealed St. Germain was a player in the attack on Claire & Mary; it makes his poisoning even more satisfying. It seems completely in character that Sandringham would suggest raping Claire over murder since he knows the history of rape and its impact on the Frasers. It also shows that Sandringham has no conscience and cares about no one more than himself. I enjoyed the little bits of humor throughout the episode: the messenger delivering his letter to Munro, Murtagh's critique of Claire's Gaelic, and Sandringham ordering Mary to go to bed. Speaking of Murtagh, I just want to shout out, "Go, Murtagh!" He shows that he's a man of his word and I am so glad that the duke finally reaped his just desserts after all the plotting, scheming and harm he had caused. I thought Murtagh laying vengeance at Claire & Mary's feet was spot on because he felt really, really awful that Mary had her virginity stolen in such a horrific way under his watch. In his mind he was duty bound to avenge her. I was impressed by Mary's calm declaration that they should leave afterwards. I think the lass has grown a spine at last and come into her own. And lastly, Twitter is crazy; I don't pay tweeters any attention. This episode compliments Prestonpans nicely. Good job all the way around.

You'd think so, but I didn't remember him and needed a reminder.

Self-defense? Against the people who rightfully belong at Winterfell? Hahahahahahahaha. Ramsay isn't being smart, he's being really, really stupid. He's foolishly letting a few sadistic victories make him think he can provoke the remaining Starks and win. I think he's over-reached this time. Sansa and Jon are plenty motivated to take back Winterfell and rally the North; Sansa (who has reason to want him dead) and Jon (who has a fucking army that includes wildlings and giants who are happy to follow him) have a brother to rescue. And if nothing else, it's time that insane fucker got what he deserved.

If you're talking about Ramsey, it's debatable as to whether he is smarter than Jon. Crueler, more sadistic, for sure; but that has nothing to do with intelligence.

Nah. Winter is capering about.

I know Jamie would have bashed a baby against a castle wall. He's despicable. Just a sick, twisted, sister fucking bitch. Uh, no. I'll never root for Cersei. She deserves every defeat, every humiliation, every failure she gets. And still I won't be satisfied until I see her head on a pike, preferably at Winterfell.

The Hound was in rare form and the only humor in this episode. Everything he did or said pleased me, especially not missing an opportunity to snag himself a pair of boots. I am disgusted beyond belief by Jamie Lannister. If there is any justice in Westeros, his ass will fry. Acting in an honorable way towards Brienne doesn't change the fact that Jamie is a major dick. I don't like him. That said, nothing tickles me more than when a plan fails spectacularly for Cersei Lannister. I'm loving it that her fate is going to be determined by the dirty fanatics she let loose in KL. Tommen continues to be a pathetic pawn. I'm waiting for someone to put him out of his misery. It's almost painful watching Tyrion trying to forge some kind of bond between himself, Grey Worm and Missandei. He's really going to miss Varys a lot. Seeing as Dany didn't really do anything, I don't know why time was wasted showing her arrival. I suspected she would show up like she did, but I thought she would do something. Okay, maybe that was expecting too much, but at least she could have SAID something. Arya's arc finished as I expected with A Man wanting things to end as they did and acknowledging her path lies elsewhere. I am fiercely missing Jon Snow and his army. I hope next week kicks up the energy level tenfold.

Yes, I know that. Brain was just following the previous post.

Heh. Don't worry. I believe you're in good company. LOL And thanks for refreshing my memory about Foster. I guess he didn't look like the same guy to me.

I very much enjoyed this episode. I love the integration of history and fiction. Practically everything about Prestonpans was well done: the tone was full of tension and foreboding; you could feel and taste the quiet desperation and sense of urgency weighing down on the Highlanders, not to mention the reality of knowing one would have to go on no matter what conveyed by the warriors and the women left behind at the field hospital. I am always awed by the costumes and set design in Outlander. Bravo, to everyone working in these areas. HRH Prince Charles is an idiot and his attitude toward the Highlanders (albeit only voiced to Jamie) is beyond offensive. He talks about "the Scots" as if he is not one. I wish Dougal had heard him reveal his true feelings about the English and their worth, maybe then Dougal wouldn't have been so willing to curry favor with the popinjay prince. Jamie's knees. Oh. My. Stars. How can a woman fully grown be filled with lust at the sight of a man's knees???? Moving beyond the shallow, I am so impressed by his deft handling of the men in his command, especially Dougal, the uber-alpha male. I totally agree with the person who said Dougal cuts a fine figure sitting on his horse. The man may be maddening, but he is definitely a fine example of masculinity. Angus's meeting the prince was perfect; the man is incorrigible no matter the situation. LOL Did anyone really wear tartan the color of Charles's ANYWHERE, much less on a battlefield? I really liked Claire in this episode, she was most certainly Jamie's wingman. This couple is formidable and well-matched in every setting. I also like the pacing of this half of the season. I'm quite content to watch events unfold slowly because even though we know history's verdict, we don't know how the showrunners are going to present the events up to Culloden on screen and the suspense of that is part of the fun for me. The only part of the story that doesn't quite work for me is Fergus. He is a bit of a pain, IMO, and I'm not impressed by the actor's work in portraying him either. Sure, he's cute, but I don't think he's a great talent especially when surrounded by so many actors who are. I wasn't surprised that Angus was killed, but it was still a bit of a shock to see him die. What an awful death. Jamie and Claire's post battle reunion. Oh. My. Stars. They were literally eating each other up with their eyes, then Claire is all business wanting Jamie to pee in a jar. LOL Got to love her. Murtagh is one of my favorite supporting characters. I will hate to lose him and the role he plays in Jamie's life. I wasn't surprised by Dougal's actions after the battle. He has shown he is capable of brutality since the beginning and his hatred of the English, although understandable, is still fanatical. All of this. The intensity of the gaze between them at this moment was full of so many feelings I can't even begin to articulate them. This is one of the things I admire about Claire, she is practical and generally keeps a clear head in the midst of insanity. I thought Ross (or was it his friend?) revealed where the gold was hidden to ease the burden of looking out for his family. I'm afraid I don't understand why you dislike the she-devil remark. They sang songs in The Hobbit? I'm afraid I tuned singing out in those movies. Lt. Foster seemed like a decent sort, but he wasn't a particular stand-out for me. What episode was he in? What did he do? I love this. The pissing contest was another example of Jamie's ability to bring opposing sides together if even for a moment.

Regarding TM's interview and RO's Twitter feed... Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, shame on you. This changes nothing. I. Am. Still. Gone.