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Can't be said enough. Well put. Let's be real. Screw not watching Aubree have a real birthday party on camera. This is not a show about children's parties a la Real Housewives. So what if we don't see a child's party play out when there are more pressing issues on the show. Let's point out how Kail, the abuser, gets a pass for her criminal behavior. Kail is the embodiment of what a DV abuser is. There is no reason whatsoever for Javi to have worked on an abusive marriage unless Kail was willing to admit she had anger problems and was willing to enter into therapy along with constructive anger management therapy so she could be a mentally healthier person for herself and her family. Kail created her problems and she deserves everything that is happening to her. She can't have healthy relationships because she is mentally not a healthy person. Would anyone have wanted Kail to work on her marriage with someone who was abusive? Hell no. It bugs to see a well-paid cast member on a show trying to hide her pregnancy. She was chosen to be on this show because she was pregnant and the drama she brings. No other reason. Kail is not on a tv show about house designs although she wishes she was. She chose to lay down with a guy and purposely chose to become pregnant. She chose to sign that contract before filming began. She knew she was going in pregnant and loveless. That is her doing. Teen Mom is her job. That will certainly not get a pass.

With an orangutan as Kail's maid of honor. I wish I could "like" your post more than once. OMG LOL

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Sadly, the first thing they mention (and sometimes the only thing) is the porn as a reason for their hate. That is just wrong on so many levels. When the guys rip into Farrah on social media about her porn tape, I often wonder how many videos they watched on Red Tube or Porn Hub while their wife or girlfriend was at work. You know they watched Farrah's porn just like Ryan did who then later called out Farrah for not having morals and saying crude things about her having "taken it up the ass." I'd love to shove a dildo covered in heavy glue inside Ryan's mouth. Good question.

Well, of course you'd tell your spouse. And that is actually my point, but I guess me being a bit facetious needed to be more clear. From what Kail angrily said last night, anyone with a problem, dilemma, or has anything negative going on, they shouldn't tell her until they know for sure. Does the same hold for the person she was living with? The girl didn't make it clear. Perhaps what she truly meant was, only she can declare what her problems are, what challenges she is facing, what troubles she is having, and only she can be a sad and upset about it. It is also a contrast to what she proclaimed several seasons ago when she declared she needs a heads up on everything. Even though Javi and her are no longer married, he is the father of her children and I think she should at least be aware of anything that affects Javi because in essence, it affects his kids, the ones he shares with Kail. I know without a doubt if Javi did not give Kail a head's up about a possible deployment and he told her only after making the decision, his head would be rolling after she ripped it off his body. Kail would be laying into Javi for not having told her sooner. I think everyone knows this of Kail by now.

Leah Cheetos is its own food group You don't need a walker to teach your child to walk. Just put Cheetos all over the house If you are going to cheat, make sure there are no cameras around Only $2000 space shuttle washers and dryers can get the wash done

One thing though is, Javi said Kail was giving him the idea they might work things out. I can't blame him for thinking there was a chance to salvage his marriage and in his eyes, there was a chance he might come back to the family home. This went on until Christmas time 2016. Kail was stringing Javi along for who knows what reason, possibly to get him to commit to her if Chris wasn't wanting her? I don't know. Something about that issue with Kail about not wanting to know anything unless it happens. I guess if someone has a lump in their breast they shouldn't tell Kail unless they find out for sure it is benign or the person has cancer? If someone is ill and it could be terminal, don't tell her until you know for sure you are going to die? If Kail gets a pap smear and finds out she not only has more STDs and possibly cancer, don't tell her until you know for a fact? That girl is straight up twisted. I get behind the idea that kids shouldn't be told very important things unless you know for sure, but eventually they will reach an age where I believe it is important to let kids know things might happen. Javi is in the service. Being deployed is a big possibility in his life. The boys will eventually need to know there is that chance. Anyone who is in the military or was the child of a person in the military (me!) knows this is one thing families must face. I once had a lump in my breast many years ago. I didn't want to tell my children (who were all over the age of 12). My spouse felt I should let them know so they can be aware up front and not have it dumped on them all at once if it should come back as cancerous. I consulted with a therapist and she said it was up to me to decide however, she felt it would be an opportunity for my children to watch and learn how I cope and deal with the situation. She said it more eloquently than that, just wanted to point out the gist of it. When the results of the test came back negative and non-cancerous, it was a joyous time. One thing I remember was how my children told me how I handled the situation very well and how I didn't let it affect my day-to-day living, although in private, I was deeply worried. Why is it Kail, supposedly an adult manatee, cannot be told there is a possibility Javi may get deployed to help out a fellow service member who is having some personal issues? Life is going to throw things at you that you don't want to deal with. Sorry. That is how the fucking cookie crumbles, as she now knows while dealing with a guy who dumped her sorry ass.

I thought I would make this fun topic to make light of the fuckery we watch on this particular franchise. I will make one for the TMOG thread, too. This will be to post all that we have learned from these so-called parents and the people in their lives. Snarky, truthful, whatever floats your boat. Take it away... Lessons I've learned from Kail: Wear a condom You don't need to have manners. Just open your front door and let everyone in Leggings are your friend no matter how big you inflate your ass You can never take too many selfies while driving Lessons I've Learned from Chelsea: There is a thing as too much make-up If you are going to have something fake, use a hairpiece instead of getting implants Jenelle: Keep your lawyer's number on speed dial commit crimes in South Carolina Have as many kids as you want. Just make sure to have plenty of wieners on hand and keep Dominos on your contact list

Maybe if some of the cast members weren't acting like animals, they wouldn't be compared to them. Then again, animals are much better behaved and know how to tend to their young. I'd rather see non-Carly being taken care of by orangutans. LOL

I am still waiting for Leah's truth to come out. She said that over three seasons ago. Bitch, hurry up.

I posted this back in March in the Jenelle thread:

Welcome to the snark board!

I have never hit anyone but, if there was someone I'd love to punch in the face and then some, it would be Kail. LOL @ lying, unfaithful whore. Too bad we can't edit this thread to reflect the truth. Matt's thread title should read the same.

New episode featuring couple George and Mike with a $10 million dollar budget searching in Tahiti. They actually looked more like brothers than a couple. George was a whiny bitch. That's all I got. Tahiti is on my bucket list.

I think the implication from some is, Barb sees the big picture and is likely keeping her distance from Kaiser and Ensley so she is not tempted to take them in her care when UBT and Jenelle break up because we all know Jenelle can't deal with raising her kids all alone. Nathan is not dependable to raise Kaiser by himself for long periods of time. All of these kids in these situations seem to end up with someone's parent. Better for Barb to step back and continue with her life and raise Jace. MTV's editing is pretty wonky and shoddy. We also know that even judges have made things clear to Kail and she still believes the rules don't apply to her. Kail's life choices are all because she chose not to follow rules set forth by those who are in control. She still to this day won't use a hands-free phone no matter how many times she gets cited by the cops. The Riveras have credibility, Kail does not and never will. They told her the rules and they laid it all out to her as to why certain rules were in place. Someone mentioned the Riveras being liable for Kail's care as they were her guardians. You think they want to be liable for her coming home pregnant and then having that responsibility fall on their shoulders? That question is certainly not directed at you. As @ghoulina put it so eloquently, the key was to get Kail back in school and hopefully get her situated so that she could live on her own before anything awkward such as becoming pregnant with another guy's baby causes drama and upheaval in their home. It was hard enough having Jo and Kail at each other's throats while living under the same roof.

ITA. I remember you posting about that cousin of yours. Bless your aunt. I know she has her hands full and has a lot on her plate. I know I shit all over people who enable but, damn! It is a tough spot to be in when you see your children so damaged and addicted that you can't help but feel for the kids of those addicts and that sick feeling that if you don't take them in, where will they end up. If you enable, you end up with kids in your care. If you don't enable, you get slammed like Barbara. I just took a look at Barb's Instagram. She hardly has any photos on there. She doesn't share a lot. I wouldn't either if I was working my ass full-time and caring for two grandchildren sometimes. Remember Gabriel? I did some Googling and found many photos of her with Kaiser in her arms. Bless her heart. She doesn't need another kid to care for.

I am just going to comment. Sorry for the image it might produce... How the hell does she clean that huge ass? Is she able to reach around there? Does she use a special tool? You just know that fake ass of her is as ugly as this:

Barb doesn't get a lot of screen time. It is hardly comparable to talking to a friend IMO. I also don't see Barb bathe or brush her teeth but, I am sure she does those things. When Barb is shown on screen it is usually in conjunction with what is happening in Jenelle's segments whether it was an argument with her, her dick of the month, arguing about custody, visitation, going to court, Barb not hearing Jenelle on the phone and then getting an earful from her. Barb is also at the mercy of MTV's editing. They are going to show the drama, not air snippets of Barb talking to the producer about Kaiser when the producer is inquiring about Jace and the situation with Jenelle. I can't think of a time when MTV has aired a scene with Barbara and no drama was going on. Just the few precious seconds of Barb playing with Jace at the closing of the episode right before the credits appear. Last season Barb was embroiled in that battle with Jenelle that seemed to take years to get resolved. We had popcorn gate. The one time Barb was shown going to Jenelle's, her daughter wasn't speaking to her. Barb asked how her pregnancy was going. Barb mentioned what a cute haircut Kaiser received only to get major attitude from Jenelle. We got to watch the entire group go out to dinner when Barb mentions Jace not behaving and how the cab driver said something to Jace. That whole segment was taken over by Jenelle acting like the doting mother by taking Jace outside and having that one-on-one conversation with him. I will take it that Barb discusses her fears with people she is close to and frankly, she doesn't need to discuss it on the air. Her actions prove to me what a caring person she is. Just like I don't need to hear someone say I care about you if their actions show otherwise.

Complain about it to whom exactly? The viewers? CPS? Law enforcement? Therapists? Drawing attention to it will do what exactly? Garner some sympathy from viewers? Not sure why that is necessary. It does not benefit Barb or Kaiser in any way. Jenelle draws enough attention all on her own the way she treats Kaiser and what comes of it? Hateful tweets. Does it change Kaiser's life or benefit him? No. It infuriates Jenelle even more. As far as I can see, Barb will reap Jenelle's anger and outrage no matter what she does or doesn't do. Barb certainly doesn't need any more of what Jenelle dishes out to her especially if she were to tweet or draws attention to the neglect and abuse Kaiser is receiving. She gets bad-mouthed on camera by Jenelle anytime shit hits the fan with that girl. As we watched Jenelle cry in the parking lot, she mentioned her mother who had absolutely nothing to do with what was happening that day. Oh, that marriage was mentioned and discussed. No doubt about that. During that period of time, Teen Mom only aired once a year, not twice like it is now. A lot of what happened in the girls' lives wasn't captured on camera. It was one reason why we chatted on the boards about being aware of the real-time information and how the show was so far behind. Jenelle discussed her filing for divorce and the abortion. She also mentioned his name. It wasn't as if she was hiding the fact. I clearly recall her saying she didn't need to bring another baby into her life and how it wasn't fair to Jace. Here is a synopsis of the first episode of the season: Kail is embarrassed as hell for trying to pull a Maci, only to have it backfire. The implication that Kail's situation is similar to someone else who dated a guy for a couple of months and then broke it off during the off-season of filming for MTV, is so far off base. Choosing not to discuss a short-term relationship is not anywhere in the same spectrum as what Kail and Leah did. Leah was living with a guy for months. Kail had her lover appear when she was filming the show. Kail is now carrying that guy's baby. How exactly can those things be overlooked? Why is it someone in a healthy dating relationship who chose to break off that relationship for whatever reasons be compared to two dummies who did more than just date a couple of guys? One moved her boyfriend in and had him around her children while the other cheated on her spouse and then purposefully became pregnant because she was trying to keep this guy. The criticism and judgments against Kail are well-deserved. Remove Chelsea or anyone else from the equation, it doesn't make Kail look any better.

Barb is a degenerate piece of shit all over social media? I admit, I don't really check out the social media of these people all too often, but what I have seen and read (thanks to those who post photos and links to their pages) I don't recall Barb being that way on her pages. She hardly posts. If I am wrong, I apologize. Judgments and opinions are based on how they interact with their children. All the times we have watched Jenelle with her kids, for the most part she is annoyed, tired, bitching, complaining, lazy and overall has no patience at all. We haven't watched her interact with her children the way Leah, Kail, Chelsea, Gary, Jo, and the rest of the cast members act with their kids. Jenelle has been this way since her teen years. Nothing has changed. Jenelle has given plenty of reasons for judgments about her to be accurate. UBT as well. Barb's world is her and Jace. As I noted above, I don't see much activity from Barb as far as social media is concerned and when there has been activity, I don't see her using it a whole lot to dish out the kind of stuff that Jenelle does on a regular basis. As for her voice, is she supposed to share non-existent photos of Kaiser and herself on her social media? Is she supposed to give interviews to express how she is concerned about Kaiser and Ensley? She has her hands full with herself and Jace. She also works. I will cut her some slack for not reporting to social media and dishing out her drama like the rest of these non-mutherfucking-factor girls do every damn hour of the day. Logic and common sense do not exist in Jenelle's world.

Stupid UBT was right there and handed the ornaments to the kids. Why did he let Kaiser even be near the ornaments if they were so damn precious? I don't get the logic of these people. If there is something you don't want broken, how about not handing them to children? How about keeping the smaller ones away? How about giving something to Kaiser that he can play with so he can feel like he is part of the excitement of decorating the tree? And god forbid, if something is broken it is called an accident. The shaming along with the harsh critical comments that exist in that household will surely corrupt those children. The kind of criticisms that are said to these kids teach them they are naughty, bad, a source of trouble for the adults. Sticking with Kaiser, he will be made to feel the things he wants to do are bad. Exploring is bad, climbing is bad. He should be different, he's not good enough the way he is. I imagine when he gets older he will begin to feel overwhelmed with shame. Kaiser will likely feels so unbearable that he will do anything not to feel it. He may lash out in anger and blame others. I sensed UBT was on his best behavior for the cameras, but his true colors were on full blown display in various scenes with Kaiser. No matter how much UBT tries to paint a pretty picture of a good dad, his contempt for Kaiser oozes when he is triggered.

I respectfully disagree. It doesn't hurt Cole, but it does hurt those for whom that word is directed at by society. IMO it is despicable how in this day and age the word slow is not only condoned, but also approved when it attacks someone they feel is unworthy. It is akin to using the N word. At least in my eyes it is. I have never used such a word to describe anyone, not even an asswipe like Adumb. People with limited mental capabilities are often referred to as slow. I like to say everyone has their own way of learning things at their own pace. Cole may be disliked, but that is no reason for people to attack him on social media by using a smear that puts a black eye on people with mental learning issues. It not only is an insult to Cole, but it is an insult to those who are not at fault for how their brain works. *stepping off my soapbox* They probably follow him on their social media and tell him how much they like him. Giving Jenelle advice on how to parent is like telling Michael Vick how to be a good dog owner.

Kail pushed Javi to be Isaac's dad while doing her hardest to push Jo out of Isaac's life. Javi and Kail both went and bought a house in Delaware (where Javi was stationed) against the orders of a judge. What happened was, Kail went to court to ask the judge if she could move to Delaware because her spouse was in the military. In the meantime, the judge ordered her not to do anything until he/she gave her order. Javi asked her what will happen if the judge decides against her request. Kail's response was "Oh well." She was given the green light to move, but she didn't expect Jo to move to Delaware from New Jersey. He bought a house one block away from her and Javi. LOL Kail was pissed. Jo reminded her what he once said to her - he would go wherever his son was at. Javi established a close bond with Isaac. As much as it started out with Kail pushing the relationship and blatantly saying Javi was Isaac's dad while Javi being smug about the whole thing, acting as if Jo was some sort of deadbeat dad and giving Jo a rough time, Javi and Isaac established a close bond. In the end, Jo has been a great dad, never making Isaac feel bad for how he sees Javi. In fact, he is all for it. When Javi and Kail hit the skids and Isaac was informed of Javi having to live elsewhere, Jo helped to soothe the situation with his son and assuring him Javi was not walking out on his life. Jo lives with his girlfriend with whom he is engaged. They have a daughter together. Jo has invited Javi and Lincoln over to his home and even invited them to his daughter's birthday party. Jo knows the kids are all connected and share a bond. Javi has gotten much-deserved flack for that whole thing he did and how he treated Jo over the seasons. Jo feels their bond is important and it shouldn't cease simply because Kail made the choice to break up her family. At this point, Kail doesn't mind the close bond and encourages it only because she still reaps the benefits from it such as free babysitting which includes Javi's family who did a lot of the babysitting for Kail when they were married. Javi's mom was also their free house-keeper. I personally feel Javi learned from that situation and realized Jo is not his enemy. Instead, it was his former wife who was doing him dirty. I have to watch the new season episode tonight because I kept getting distracted and didn't get to see a lot of what happened. It sounds like it is the same ol' shit especially with Jenelle and Kail.

They all don't get paid the same because not all of them are required to do what the main players do.

Is it just me or did this show recycle plot lines from KoQ? Having time to sit and watch all the episodes, that seemed to be the thing stood out to me. I know sitcoms tend to recycle scripts. That's a given. But, this show seemed to borrow from KoQ episodes a lot. I await the new season and see what happens.