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I know she danced on Madonna's MDNA tour but don't know anything recent.

I have to mention one of my other major pet-peeves about the MTA/WTA and I find it's more a habit with the Bachelorettes - referring to the contestants as exes. Oh give me a break. Yes the premise of this show is supposedly "dating" 25 men but let's face it, about 5-10 of those guys are cut the first damn night and of the ones cut chances she never even spoke to them. Then there are the list of other guys who got strung along for a few episodes, never having any real one on one time, just showing up on some group dates, having a few moments at the cocktail party and that's it. That's not dating and that certainly does not make someone an ex. It actually reminds me of a hilarious moment in Desiree's season. I think it was the first or second episode, during one of her first one on one's when the guy wanted to reassure he he was nothing like her ex. Desiree went, "you know my ex..." only for the guy to mention Sean and then she got an "oh yeah right..." poker face. Because the fact of the matter is this show is really just a fancier, more expensive version of speed dating which is why even the couples who've lasted from the show have stated that the real dating, the real getting to know each other happened after the season ended.

About the audience reaction shots, this is definitely one thing that's always kind of bugged me about this show. With the budget I know they have, considering all these location shoots they do, I don't understand why the MTA/WTA always comprise of these hideously dubbed audience reaction shots. Half the time there will be a shot of someone's "shocked" face like half a minute after the audio of a gasping sound. It's just strange and frankly incredibly distracting.

And my guess is it's a complete fake-out. It's either from neither of her F2 or her pick and it'll be some corny love letter/poem that he'll read to her during the live reunion. But it'll certainly be played up as more and it conveniently happens as US Weekly starts reporting that her F2 is or was trying to win her back recently. My guess is the US Weekly story was planted by the show and the letter an added ruse. Anything to increase interest in the finale since my guess is nothing as dramatic as Claire going off on Juan Pablo happens or a Brooks dumping Des type situation.

Well no, because like I said, I still don't think it is strange that someone would be hurt by being a victim of racism whether or not they are aware that it still exists. But I think this is too sensitive a topic, especially in relation to a show as shallow as The Bachelorette so I'll just say YMMV and move on.

I'm not sure I really understand this statement. Knowing something exists does not automatically negate one from being offended or hurt everytime it happens to them. What is he supposed to feel and say - "oh someone made a racist comment about me well yeah, I mean I'm black so it happens". Yes intellectually most people recognize that ignorance and bigotry still exists in this world and by that token racism, misogyny, homophobia, etc. continues to exist. But knowing and being aware of something is still different than when it directly hits you. Which for the record does not mean I'm saying that I completely believe Andrew made those comments.

Not shocked at all but what I found particularly amusing is, I guess during the media done around the weekend of the taping, the guys were asked about Andi's F2 (I guess who they thought she would choose and opinions of the guys) and Marcus stated that watching the season didn't change his mind about Nick and he was more certain now that he was only there for camera time. I seriously had to "WTF...." at that. This from a guy who a half a minute after his deep heartbreak over Andi who was supposedly his soul mate was already on Bachelor in Paradise and according to spoilers .

I would say he had a lot to do in S3 as well. A key storyline of S3 was Rachel and Kurt's NYADA dream which included the election story and the West Side story, Sebastian who was supposed to be some romantic foil for Kurt and Blaine, really was more just a rival to Kurt, there was the creepy and annoying as hell to me Karofsky story and the writers actually attempted to give him and Blaine some relationship focus every 10 episodes or so. I will concede that the split diminished Kurt's screentime and storylines significantly because the writers were just incredibly lazy when it came writing for the NY narrative and what little attention they gave it, was dedicated to Rachel. And things just went downhill completely with the show and S5 isn't even worth mentioning really and that's really how things just all went to shit. And I did get the feeling that by mid-S4 onwards, the writers didn't know how or what to write for Kurt anymore. Of course to be fair, I think at this point that can be said for every character on the show.

I disagree that none of that sounds like Josh. I know the show created the "Nick is so cocky/arrogant" edit but I don't believe that Josh wasn't just as confident in being Andi's choice. And at the end of last week's episode, I think both guys through their ITM comments made it clear that they were certain she was going to pick them - Josh stated how he wasn't even thinking about Nick, didn't care about him and that he knew it was him and Andi and how ready he was for them to start their lives together. In my opinion, either of these guys would have been stunned by Andi's not choosing them. I also never saw any indication during the season that Nick saw Josh as his "biggest rival" because the edit the show showed was that apparently Nick didn't think there was any rival to him for Andi, that's how certain he was she was going to pick him. Finally, I don't buy the whole trying to win Andi back if Nick is the F2 largely based on the same smoking gun evidence that he is F2 - the video on the plane. From Nick's comments in the video, it seemed clear to me he'd accepted Andi's decision and while he was clearly still hurt, a little angry, he was kind of over it. He makes it clear he didn't try to change her mind, he seemed particularly annoyed by the fact that as he stated, the one thing she kept saying throughout the season was how easy everything was with him and yet when it came down to it, I guess one of the reasons she gave him for not picking him was that it was too hard. And then he clearly references the Jason season in the video stating that Andi is too stubborn to change her mind and that it wouldn't happen. I guess somebody could claim that when he had more time to think about it he had a change of heart and thought he could change her mind but I don't really buy it. I think this "trying to win her back" thing was planted by the show, to fit right along with their "big mysterious" letter to Andi at the end of the MTA to ramp up interest and buzz in the finale since as many have stated, this has been a pretty lackluster season in terms of drama except for the almost forced stuff - JJ/Andrew and of course Nick being some big mastermind villain. And I think it's especially lackluster to the media/public coming off the hot ass mess that was Juan Pablo's season. My guess is Andi will make her pick, yes likely Josh, Nick will be there at the reunion, there will be the requisite Bachelorette/F2 conversation, maybe CH will ask him about some of the guys not liking him or whatever and that will be it. Josh will come out, he and Andi will gush about their love and everyone will move on to BIP. eta: While not a spoiler, I will say that assuming all the evidence is correct and Josh is Andi's pick, I'm a bit surprised at CH's most recent blog. CH is not only the host of the show, he's a producer and yeah while they try to hide the winner and build some suspense, he often does try to sell the pairing, particularly towards the end. That was the thing I remember that stood out to me with Des' season, that while RS and everyone seemed certain Brooks did return and that's who Des was engaged to, CH made it more than obvious in his blogs that he was not a fan. And I remembered being confused as to why he was setting up such a negative image of them when they have to sell the couple after the season ends. And lo and behold she didn't get engaged to Brooks. Again not saying Andi does not pick Josh and CH certainly hasn't given the impression he dislikes Josh but he keeps stating in his blogs and other comments made that Josh is the comfortable choice, the been there done that for Andi and he keeps equating her choosing to Nick as her willing to be daring and brave. He almost makes it sound like her choosing Josh would be lazy of her. And so close to the finale, I just don't get why he would frame the winning couple that way. But it'll be interesting to see how they act at the live reunion show.

I don't know, while there are things about Andi that bug me, I thought she did a fairly good job addressing the guys and explaining sending them home. With Marquel she basically admitted they were in the friend-zone and when he asked why they never got out of it, she pretty much said that sometimes it really is a matter of it just not being there and it wasn't with them. And for Chris and Marcus both she pretty much made it clear I thought that it was a matter of her having a stronger connection with other guys and as she stated, if she knew it wasn't there, it wasn't going anywhere, felt it best and fair to send them home. It's also what she said to Cody even though he still seemed kind of delusional with his maintaining that she didn't "get to know the real Cody" (which by the way it's the most obnoxious thing to refer to oneself in the third person). And it's like "she didn't get to know the real Cody" because she didn't want to because she knew she had zero attraction to him. Even as I think Andi chose Josh, I rarely read into these type of things. Until the finale episode airs, all the parties involved have to still sell the possibility of either pairing. It reminded me of some who used Emily blatantly copping to Arie being an amazing kisser in her media interviews while the season was airing, as proof positive she had to have chosen him because no way would she say things like that if she'd chosen someone else.Not to mention that honestly, I can believe Andi wanting to know what the lies were just out of natural curiosity. I don't buy that. Ron may have just spoken but they'd been sitting there for how many minutes with Marquel speaking to him, the situation/confrontation had been between him and Marquel which is what they were rehashing, he claims that Marquel was someone he thought was a friend, he claims that the accusation and confrontation they had affected his work - to me, with something like that, you don't confuse and mix up names because it's too significant. Not to mention it's not like he was addressing Marquel and accidentally said Ron. He proceeded to give a whole explanation about the confrontation again between him and Marquel, using Ron's name until Marquel and Ron both looked confused and corrected him. Look I'm not saying Andrew is for sure is a racist and I'm not saying he used the word "blackies" but I do think he came across as a smug, superior douche and his little slip was more evidence of how little he actually gave a shit about the situation and those involved.

Katie was trying to increase awareness of colon cancer and show people how simple the test is and maybe help save their lives since her husband died of colon cancer. Little different than airing your ultrasound on television, especially when it's all for show because the baby's sex was already revealed to a major entertainment publication. And I like JP and Ashley well enough but come on now. By the way, about the big dramatic letter, apparently a show producer has already revealed on social media that it's actually from Chris, I guess still sticking with his whole secret admirer schtick. CH probably said it was from one of her F2 for dramatic purposes so everyone will think it's from whichever guy that gets dumped in the finale, doing a last ditch effort for her. And I guess if you remove whoever she picks and is likely currently engaged to, Chris and the the guy she doesn't pick, sort of is her F2.

I forgot about the show and tuned in about 15 minutes in and saw JP and Ashley having a real ultrasound on the show and quickly changed the channel. While I still think Ashley was one of the weepiest Bachelorettes ever, I do think she and JP are cute and I am happy for her that she found love from the show but yeah, I don't need to see their ultrasound on television. Just reading the short media stories from People magazine is more than enough. I did eventually turn back to the show and well it was pretty much the same as every other Tell All show - a complete and utter waste of time. There were a few cute moments here and there but for the most part, it's just a rehash of things that's already happened and half of the guys get ignored. I realized other Nick of the season almost pulled an Eric on Andi with his comments to her that he basically felt like when she was talking to him at times she couldn't be bothered. I do think Andi made a decent effort to get to know a number of the guys but at the end of the day she isn't some great actress (which is funny since Eric made the Hollywood actress comment) and she couldn't always hide when she had zero interest with some of the guys. I love that Marcus is still trying to sell this great love he had for Andi and this amazing heartbreak he went through with her sending him home yet and not to mention we now know he was bullshitting about how many women he's slept with. I found Chris condescending and annoying at many points tonight, Andrew is still smarmy to me and while he may not have said exactly what JJ said he did, I don't believe he didn't say something obnoxious. His not even caring enough to know the difference between Ron and Marquel was telling imo - that little slip was a dead giveaway. That said, JJ is very shifty and oily. He also sucks at confrontations. eta: One cute moment - during the bloopers section where the showed the camera person basically crashing into something in Nick's parents' house and his stating that he made that for his mom in the second grade, so thanks. His face in that moment as all the plates kept crashing was hilarious.

I definitely think that was the implication the show wanted to convey with CH specifically stating that it was from one of her F2. It will be the big "dramatic" thing going into the live reunion show next week.

I don't know, I understood why Dorothy and Sophia were upset at Michael. Again, if he and Bridget wanted to have sex so badly they could have gone to a motel but hooking up after knowing each other for a day in the same house that both their parents were living in was putting everyone in an unnecessarily uncomfortable and awkward position. And I really think that is what Dorothy and Sophia were most upset about. Rose is the one who really went off the handle because she had her stupid naive blinders on that her daughter was an adult woman who had long been having sex.

I don't think it was the sex per se but the fact that it was their children and they essentially had a hook-up in one of their beds. I think it had more to do with the situation being awkward more than anything else.

A boring Sunday afternoon led me to catch the first twenty minutes of the first episode and I was honestly left just baffled. Because I naturally assumed this show was solely for the purpose of spinning their very negative image and trying to convince people their marriage isn't shit but honestly, all this did was confirm most of the negative things people already thought about them. Barely five minutes into the episode, they're bitching at each other in the limo on their way to the premiere of the movie (in which Eddie's co-starring role is really just a cameo), LeAnn is getting emotional and Eddie is looking like he could give a shit about her feelings and is honestly annoyed at her tears. And then there was all the Brandy snarking/bitching. I mean are they really that deluded to think that anyone would think that shit is funny and think positively about them? Yes Brandy may be whatever she is but how is being just as catty and hateful as her making them look any better? As someone noted above, they need to do a three-way couples counseling because they are all hot messes - Eddie, Leann and Brandy. But personally I think Eddie is the real factor in all this. He clearly enjoys these weak, clearly unstable women he can manipulate. And they basically lose themselves trying to keep him. LeAnn is clearly so desperate to keep him in that marriage and he's just tolerating her until he can cash in something bigger. That's probably his motivation for doing the reality show - probably hoping some Kardashian type fame/money/success comes from it so he can no longer have to stick around with LeAnn and her millions. However this mess is so going to go the way of Tori and Dean's hot mess, assuming the show even lasts. Well she had more fame and money than him when everything went down. Sure LeAnn was no longer the huge star in country music that she was when she was a teenager but she was doing very well for herself from touring and had a dedicated fanbase and was still a fairly known celebrity, certainly more so than Eddie and Brandy, with her nice, quiet simple life and marriage.

YMMV because I've personally never considered being passive aggressive this massive personality disorder but maybe that's just me. Largely because frankly I think most people at some point in their lives have been passive aggressive about something - some are just more consistent with the behavior and do it far more often than others. But honestly, I think I'm just over this. Like I said I feel like I'm heading down the rabbit hole of crazy that was Emily's season where everything was nitpicked and judged to death particularly about the final two contestants (which is funny of course because the one genuine relationship that came out of that season was Arie and Jef's friendship). At this point I am just ready for Andi and Josh to have their media blitz talking about their amazing love story and Nick to go back to his life and everyone can move on.

Was that the spoof video thing he did where it looked like he was having a meltdown on the plane? I vaguely remember reading about this - that a Bachelor producer got into it with a flight attendant and the whole thing ended up being one big fake/joke. As for the Nick-video, while I have never questioned its being real, why do people keep saying Nick "trashed" Andi and Josh? I guess Josh I can sort of understand with the comment about his doing nothing but eating, sleeping and shitting or whatever else. And granted I only skimmed the video that one time when RS first put it up on his site but as I recall, all Nick really said about Andi was that she went with what she knew and was comfortable with. Then I think whoever he was speaking to might have suggested her changing her mind like Jason did in his season and Nick says that's unlikely because Andi is too stubborn to change her mind. Then he talked about loving her parents and loving the relationship she has with them. I guess I just don't see where the bashing was. Personally I just want this season over with because it's starting to reach Emily's season level of crazy and ridiculous. Andi and Josh can move on with their shiny, brunette tanned lives - may they not end up as the 80 percent of other couples that have come out of the show and Nick can get back to his life.

I don't know if it matters much - Darren stated multiple times all last summer that while marriage equality was great it didn't mean that it was a good idea for two teenagers to rush off and get engaged. And well as we all know, Season 5 happened.

The moment that's always high on my list for the worst is definitely Rose's reaction after finding her daughter and Michael in bed together. I was fine with Rose's ridiculous naivete that her daughter was some special snowflake virgin but the way she quickly snapped into mean-spirited mode about Michael really bothered me. Dorothy was supposed to be her best friend and she not only calls the woman's son a loser but implies he took advantage of her precious daughter. And then after all that, she gets all indignant and offended at Dorothy calling her daughter a tramp for hooking up with a guy she'd only known for a few hours. Sure Dorothy was harsh with that comment but I felt like at that point she was just responding to Rose's attitude in kind. And I hated that Blanche wanted her to go and apologize to Rose and I liked that Dorothy said that she had feelings too. Because it was perfectly okay for Rose to insult her son but precious, delicate Rose can't handle hearing anything negative about her daughter.

No they weren't separated because Sophia makes a crack about Angela's cooking. I think it's why she brought her suitcase of sauce or something.

Yes, but once again, the point as I remember the episode is that Dorothy was clearly nervous about giving the eulogy, wasn't sure what she wanted to say and was therefore asking Rose for some advice and guidance by asking if she'd ever had to give a eulogy at a funeral. And that's where the discontinuity lies because she would have known that yes, Rose was asked to give the eulogy at her aunt's funeral since she had been even more nervous about it than Dorothy was about Phil and Dorothy and Blanche had to go with her to the funeral. Yes, they never made it there because of the hurricane but the point is, it made no sense for Dorothy to ask Rose that question.

Wasn't sure in which thread to post this since it is more a general observation on the show rather than a specific episode/season. Like many others who've posted above, I was a dedicated viewer for a number of seasons but have found my interest waning in the later years, particularly once the show went to one night a week. But it's still programmed into my DVR and I spent a few hours catching up on the season and I pinpointed something that really bothers me - ENOUGH with the damn "relationship" stories, particularly with the contemporary dances. Yes contemporary has a lot of flailing, legs spread eagle all over the place, but I swear in past seasons, they used to involve more stories and themes than just "it's about a couple breaking up, it's about a couple fighting to stay together, it's about a couple who can't let go, etc. etc." Say what you will about Mia Michaels, as annoying and bitchy as she could be, she at least came up with different and interesting concepts for her contemporary dances - how can anyone forget Evan and Brandy's dog/butt dance, Kayla and Kupono's Addiction dance, Mark and Chelsie's Tim Burton Wedding dance, Billy/Ade/Alex's Time piece, etc. And the same could be said about Wade. Now I feel like it's all a one-trick pony with all the dances and it's unfortunate for the dancers who many times are dancing brilliantly and simply doing what is asked for them but I swear, the second I hear "this piece is about a couple…" in a rehearsal package, I just check out. Because I just feel like no matter how well danced, choreographed, I'll just come away feeling like I've seen it all before.

Dorothy's question to Rose was "were you ever asked to give a eulogy". And so the point stands because yes, she was, for her aunt that she couldn't stand.

No, before Sophia leaves, Dorothy specifically states how the four boys were giving up their room for Sophia...she was definitely staying with them.