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Why the hell would Cole cover for Ben? He doesn't know him, doesn't care about him has nothing invested in him so why cover for him instead of outing him right there and then? The walkabout thing is stupid to the core. I'm feeling trolled by the writers at this point.

I thought they never married.

Thank you so much for this your reply, it really means a lot to me. This is such a major issue to me and has been through any size that I was mortified by the idea that I came across otherwise. Of course our thin friends care about what we think and feel. I've never seen fat shaming on this forum -that seriously shocks and disappoints me. I must not have been in specific threads? I just started the book and what you say about the many story lines makes me think the writers are in over their heads.

That is a really big important thought! It wasn't even enough to have June nearby pumping!

That's an excellent summary. I was really thrown by her mention of "inconegro".

I love the new Commander. He has a world class level art collection! A Basquiat in his staircase! I LOVED watching Aunt Lydia "clutch her pearls" as she looked around. I love the way he says stuff. He's so over it and genuinely weird. Why couldn't they have introduced him much much earlier I could watch a show of just him and his Sassing Martha. I found his "attic dweller" wife refreshing because for once a wife is appropriately insane. The closest we've seen is the nice lady in the house Emily was in before.

I know many and am one. Most of the people I know in this age group aren't professional models or actresses and yet I still think Maura Tierney looks very much her age except with Simpson's trout mouth desperately trying to pull up her dehydrated jowls. Which brings me to the examples of moms in their 50s you named. They are all movie stars and celebrities! While Helen may have a comfortable life do you really see her in the same group? I don't. Sure she has a comfortable life but she's still a deeply average woman.

I really don't know where you got the idea that I believe of those things but I guess I need to declare that for the record I most certainly do not. What I said was that I do not believe that women who aren't fat are going to devote their lives to helping someone like Plum. Given plenty of unfortunate and deeply painful anecdotal evidence I can say with great confidence that most thin people do not understand how a fat person feels to the degree that they will say any number of startlingly insensitive and downright offensive comments both in front of and behind the back of a fat person. Just come to some dinner parties with me. A mere glance at studies about the infuriating and dangerous anti-fat bias in healthcare workers tells me all I need to know about how shockingly rare empathy and basic decency is. Plum has a few kind people on her side but we see over and over again that they don't inhabit her body in her world. Also how many terrorist organizations can you think of who formed out of deep empathy for someone else's cause? I can think of none. Yet here we have both Jennifer and Verbena Veranda. Which brings me to a huge flaw in the show that I never addressed before. There's a fatal muddling of Jennifer and all that drives them to do what they do which is to say that it is not just about fat women like Plum. Jennifer is coming from a deep rage about a whole variety of feminist issues so why such an unlikely investment in Plum who really just wants to wear that red dress and have a boyfriend?

Me too, yes!

I don't understand something about the big Julia reveal. Were we supposed to think that she was masquerading as a white person? I thought she was a black lady all along and that she just wore a blonde wig and used tons of highlighter on her face like all those contouring videos. What I suspected from the very first episode is really clear to me now. I have no clue who Plum is. There's just not a person there. I'd say all the characters are really flatly written. And I don't get the whole Calliope House deal and I guess maybe I never will. It screams cult to me in every way even though supposedly they give YOU the money but still whatever. What is their deal? Why do all these relatively slim women care what a fat woman thinks let alone investing all this convoluted stuff into it. It doesn't make any sense. Dominick spent the whole episode trying to find Plum to see if she's ok. Another whatever. I had high hopes for this show. Things are going downhill for me faster and faster.

Ok HOW did Noah go from last season's addicted, howling batshit-crazy, Brendan Fraser stalking/ hallucinating, car wrecking crazy to Great White Savior?

I can't take another season of June in captivity I can't and I won't. Like it's been already said how the hell does she figure she's going to "help" Hannah from inside?

Maybe she popped out of the other trashcan?

The neighbor's "trashcan issue" is so forced! They had Helen practically crawl into one and then yell dammit why is this always in the way. Ridiculous. I think the writers we're making up Vikram as they went along in a very sloppy way.

Yes a new mom/widow at 53! I'm laughing so hard at your highlighting! I was all gee maybe I need to clean my tv screen because I'm not seeing it myself!

Right?! It was already kinda going there last week I didn't think they'd push it even further yet here we are. I was yelling at my tv when he "saved the day" at the student walkout.

This is about the last three eps. I don't know if I imagined it or what but I could SWEAR that he once again addressed the issue of his bisexuality/hiring male escorts etc. and he was mumbling basically that she didn't know about this but he's sure that they could have talked it out and it would have been perfectly fine with her.

THANK YOU! That actually makes sense! Vik's explanation did not at all make sense to me. Also, I first thought he hated Helen as well but then he explained why he was so upset with her. I can't stand her. What the hell is her problem? He really did ask her to just shut up for one evening and she was way out of line both in his eyes and his mom's. You know I can totally see the writers doing this too. I wouldn't put anything idiotic past them at this point.

Ok Helen is played by a 53yo actress. Maybe they should have cast someone who looks at least 10 years younger. She doesn't. Also I gasped during Noah's storyline. How dare the writers do this. I do not understand Vik's parents' reaction at all.

Oh my GOD why do I watch this show/I can't wait for next week's ep

Wow that felt like an 18 hour long episode about the boring problems of some very unpleasant people.

I think every frame there has already been shown, did I miss something?

Yes and Noah was also insane and addicted to drugs in addition to your list! I wondered too how the hell he's made a seamless move to L.A. I'd go nuts living in that house. I can see how overwhelming and overbearing THE OCEAN would be not to mention the weird way it's perched. Ugh. I don't know what's up with the kooky avocado neighbor but not sure I care either. I wish the show stayed on the east coast. This is too weird. I'm not in the mood for any more wacky fruity California gags either (the ridiculous scan your body therapy for example)

I know. Me too. I really expected someone way larger to be cast but this is Hollywood's version of monstrously fat the same way that a cardigan and glasses will render Megan Fox "plain". Plum seems perfectly healthy and mobile. She wears cosmetics, combs her expensive looking haircut daily etc. And there's plenty of women her size in NYC and bigger and I've never even heard of a car of young men slowing down on a Manhattan street to note this. Working in fashion though? That all rang very true. Keep her invisible but use her brain with minimal concern for tact. She really is an emotional eater. Instead of surgery why hasn't she tried something like CBT or the other things recommended upthread? Instead she ditches her meds. Very dangerous and she should know better (also, the elaborate hallucinations were ridiculous). I'm sure he told his wife that Plum is huge so she's not worried.

I am a fat woman and I've lived in NYC for a significant amount of time. I have been all over the map weight wise. I've seen it all heard it all at ANY size. Unwelcome, rude abusive comments. Absolutely it's still the last group people feel ok saying outrageously horrible things to and about. The scenes that really bothered me were the one where she walked down the street and a group of young men bothered to follow her to bug her also the scene where again a group of young men were following her in their car just to insult her about her size. She is an exceptionally well groomed woman. She carries herself with dignity as far as I've noticed. She walks with purpose. She's well dressed. I didn't find it believable that these men would take the time and energy to go that far. Maybe yell a fat comment or say it too loudly as she walked by? Sure. The guy in the bodega? SURE of course he'd say something like that. Of course the women she works with offend and humiliate without even really giving a damn. Unhelpful family and friends? Yep. Let's unpack it all. THOSE are the things I want the show to explore. How does it all affect her life both romantic and professional? I feel that fat women have enough trouble being taken seriously so I had high hopes for this show. While I'm at it the cheesy animation needs to go.