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I'm not sure what I'm watching anymore. I found this episode rather dull. I hope the show will get me invested in some characters and story lines again. So far it's feeling like Boogie Nights Lite.

That was so weird for me because I totally remembered the deaths as an accident and that the set up was meant for Marty. I totally don't remember Ruth intentionally murdering them. I need to figure out which ep that was and rewatch.

Good Lord. I'm reading along here and I can't believe how much work we are all doing because the show didn't! It's ridiculous. It's one thing to leave something open ended or mysterious but come on!

I feel downright ghosted. Not even a text breakup.

I wanna speak to the manager! I want my money back! I feel so robbed. I spent seven hours watching this and thinking about it and tonight I feel so played. As soon as "In the Evening" started up it's as if we were suddenly in a super juiced up in the now teen sex slasher rock and roll movie. That's not what the show was until then! Amma made me think Spooky TJ Miller. I'm sure the actress is just fine so I'm gonna blame the direction/writing on what I found her way too "Bwuahahahahahaaa I'm so warped and evil!" style of villain foreshadowing throughout. The floor made out of human ivory was a nice touch but really HOW did those girls manage all that and why? We needed to see more of the Amma Cult. Why did they do it? Did they have wild bloody Satanic three ways after each kill? What? The fact that we got a few smears of imagery during the credits is so insanely hostile that I really don't know what to do with myself. So many questions unanswered. I've long thought Gillian Flynn a hack yet certainly worth an entertaining time but tonight I'm just really mad at her.

I'd totally watch this show.

As soon as I saw her I was "10...9...8" Noah is so the guy in college who is soooooooo upset that you're "way too into" him. He's soooooooo sorry. Why does this always happen? He warned you he was trouble! He told you not to fall for him!

I really don't understand all the comments in here about her all black clothing. How or rather why do they symbolize her dysfunction? To me they are about her being a "big city" woman now and how she doesn't dress like the "Southern Belle" former cheerleader types she left behind. Plenty of people dress all in black as a style preference.

But in the flashbacks (where Camille has short hair) Amma is way too old to be her daughter, no?

Ok thanks! I definitely remember all those components but I keep thinking how did someone find a small bike yet have to have it pulled out the way they did and why was Adora involved it was all very hinky. What is with the pig farm in general I can't wait to find out. Like, why was Camille follwing Amma there why was Amma there and how did Camille even know to follow her there.

Agree with you completely. I totally don't understand how the bike was found and who found it and how.

I also thought her drug use (supposedly secret but really was it?) use/abuse of drugs and the subsequent interaction that caused it was largely brought on by the trauma brought on by the case she worked on. I'd hold dear any insights you have especially because you shared so much in her dynamic.

Also, the part in part 2 where she injures herself on that stupid damn faucet was a callback to when Cole stared at her shredded right hand fingertips in the morgue.

I was too! I was practically snapping at my husband to leave me alone during the ep! I was so tense I really had no idea where the show would take us. I am in the same boat. It made me confront and admit a part of myself I didn't want to even to myself. I never liked her but this made me cry for her. I 99.99% think she was awake in the water! "They" let us see her blinking while Ben carried her to the water! She opened her eyes once in the water. Her very last ever monologue was for us to hear. This is unbearable. I think the double perspective was part one was how Alison and Ben and all of us would have wanted it to be and part two was how it really was and can always be.

They gave her a very pathetic ending. And Ben was reduced to a stereotype. I mean yeah we can all just suck it up and admit that any of us could be offed by some jerkass random but. We were all so invested in this show. I know that plenty of cynics and professional armchair tv show analysts will pile on in due time about all the mistakes of this Alison ending storyline but the fact remains that this ending to Alison will go up there with some of the most iconoclastic tv show deaths of all time.

Same same same I know I was thinking all of that. I really think Alison got an Emile Zola-esque moralizing ending and I really wish it hadn't gone that way. I want to believe in redemption. I want to forgive Alison and I want Alison to forgive Alison and not meet some horrible ending that could have been prevented if she'd only read Gavin DeBecker's "The Gift Of Fear".

I feel so traumatized. During part two I couldn't stop scolding Alison for all the things she did "wrong" and maybe would have survived. I feel like I"m genuinely mourning someone right now. Maybe I'm mourning parts of myself along with Alison. Anyway I know this isn't therapy but I'm grateful for this place so I can say this stuff because I sure can't say any of this to anyone in my fake ass offline life.

COME ON don't leave me alone in here! Somebody must have seen ep 9 like I have!!!!!

Ugh. Remembering how they never bothered to explain any of that shit really makes me doubt they'll do an adequate job of finishing up the Alison story as well. As far as I recall we never did find out who stabbed, rear ended, terrorized in prison and then stalked Noah on the outside (if anyone at all) and I'll say it again they were doing a storyline of Noah potentially hallucinating but for real developing a troublesome opiate addiction that maybor may not have caused wild hallucinations. What the hell.

Thank you for confirming that I heard this!!!

And of course since the last scene in the diner was from Noah's perspective the waitress practically disrobed right then and there. As much as seeing him burst into tears was powerful I really don't think Noah was ever that into any woman he's been with. So did I hear Ben say that he was leaving his wife for Alison?! (when confronted by Noah and Cole in his office) I agree the extremes with the different POVs are too much at times.

I'm hoping there was/will be more to it than a visual ID. I don't want to be left hanging about some BS fake death. Isn't there a basic law to at least do a DNA test? Even if the coroner found water in her lungs and chalked up the battered state of her body to her being smashed against the rocks for three days I'm hoping Cole will insist on more. Also I'd say she had less shown to us motive to fake her own death than even kill herself.

As soon as I read the coming ep description I knew Alison was dead. I'd be seriously surprised if the writers made an undocumented immigrant a murderer, they know they'd catch tons of shit for that. Both Ben and Alison's dad lied and the wife acted shifty AF. Why was Athena on the phone? Was she? It was darkly funny how her dad was really upset about his lost kidney more than anything. As ever, incredible acting by both Dominic West and Joshua Jackson. I didn't appreciate the comic relief via Anton. The whole Anton and his mom storyline is unnecessary but this episode really put me over the edge about it. The scenes in the morgue were so realistically haunting. They completely conveyed one's grief stricken doom and disbelief. Now did Alison kill herself? I love how we are now set up for so many possibilities and I can't wait for the next episode. The whole transfer of money for Joanie could go either way. However we did see her in a series of some awful final moments: Her devastation about her father, her hard hitting disappointment in Ben, the incident on the plane shook her up in so many ways all I can think about is that shitty teen taping her and her looking back at her like a trapped, disgraced animal. Then the panic attack and the talk with Helen which we all may find refreshingly real and helpful but did she find it so? Maybe it was a final indignity and loss of all hope. I don't know. It's quite possible Ben murdered her or that she freaked out during some confrontation or other during the storm and slipped and fell. I don't think Xanax even or especially mixed with a large amount of alcohol would even allow for much physical exertion. ETA: Ben's alibi. I don't buy it so far. He could have murdered her at 7pm then went to get trashed at a bar and gone to an AA meeting!

Helen started that day with weed! Kept going in the retreat along with what looked like tons of wine and more weed that may have been laced then drove home!

I feel the same way. I'm shocked and sad and I don't know if I believe Ben.