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At the risk of being a chauvinist, I would have preferred that the British MoL had sent someone who would have been a reasonable match physically against Sam or Dean. The female villains they've had in the past all had supernatural strength (I think) so it was possible to sort of squint and accept they could beat up the guys. It's going to bug me if some dame in ridiculous high heels takes Sam down even if she does have a gun.

Was there ever any sort of explanation of why Amara was an adult when Dean first met her, then went thru all the stages of growing up? I never did understand that. I will say that when they showed the sequence of the actresses who played her during the intro, I was fairly impressed by the similarities.

I'm just amazed at how easy it is for everybody to get into this super secret, super secure bunker. Sigils appear to be worthless, even before Amara burned them off. And I thought there was one special key. Maybe every MoL lair uses the same one? The gang going to the gravesite didn't make any sense to me either except for laying in another reference to their mother so her appearance didn't come straight out of the blue. They've never been sentimental about it - as someone up thread said, Mary isn't even buried there. I just really wish they could have started weaving in some of these threads earlier instead of dumping them all on this last episode. And while I'm wishing, I'm aggravated that there wasn't a small scene of the guys asking God questions about some of the issues that were more personal, like 'Where the heck is our brother, Adam?'. After everything they've been through in service of God and angels, I think they're entitled to a few answers.

Not breath-taking, but compared to last year, I'll take it. I agree that the new lady (excuse me: Lady (really?)) didn't add much at all to this episode. It would have been really nice if they had introduced the MoL groups in other countries a few episodes earlier in the season so they didn't have to shoe horn it in at the last minute. But at a guess, they didn't have things figured out so far in advance. Although I'm maybe in a minority, I liked the fact that for once we didn't have angsty Sam trying to stop crazy Dean from sacrificing himself. We've seen that play out too many times in both directions. I thought they both seemed adult, regretful and accepting of the need. I have no clue how their mother will fit into Season 12, but I'm glad that the new adversary, assuming that's what the Lady is, is human and therefore realistically defeatable. Season 12 seems like it may be shaping up to be much more personal, which I will also be glad of.

It's got to be kind of frustrating for the actors to film scenes that help make sense of the episode, only to have them cut. By the time they see the episode, its weeks too late to suggest changes in the following one to help repair the damage. They just have to live with it and support the show best they can, even if they feel the final edit of an episode is crappy. That makes me really wonder about the phone calls made during the filming of the finale. They hadn't seen We Happy Few yet, so their concern couldn't have been about the holes that were left after editing that weren't being addressed in the finale. To me, that implies that the finale itself had issues even worst than the ones folks have mentioned in We Happy Few (which apparently didn't warrant a phone call). That's sort of scary.

Jared said that there was a scene where God explained to Sam and Dean why they didn't have to be afraid of Lucifer, but it got cut.

Ya think??? That debate goes on and on, rehashed endlessly with the same old arguments. You made me laugh with how guilelessly you said it, though.. I think my biggest problem is simply that this fight is so big, so far above their pay grade, that it's hard to feel it's personal for Sam and Dean. Maybe that's why they tried to build in this attraction between Dean and Amara, but they haven't connected the dots in such a way as to make me feel he really cares. It doesn't make sense that they can prevail in a fight that God himself can't win. But the alternative, that they stand around as observers watching the fight between the big boys (and girl), would suck as well. I just hope that next year they scale it back instead of trying to top even this. There can be personal type cliff-hangers that wouldn't involve one of them dying (again) or having a big blow out that results in them stomping away from each other angry and hurt.

Personally, nothing. I was just using him as a marker for the version of Lucifer that had gravity and depth. The material that Misha was given to work with in this particular episode seemed to have little relationship to that earlier version. Absolutely agree that it's on the writers.

I try to imagine Mark Pellegrino in the scene where Lucifer has locked himself in the bedroom and is sulkily blaring music and I just can't. His Lucifer was lethal and calculating and relentless. Locking himself in a bedroom because his Dad won't apologize? Nah. What they did to that character to service the storyline is sad.

I have too. I've really enjoyed the Sam n' Dean show, as opposed to the Sam vs Dean show. The lack of manufactured strife and angst has been incredibly refreshing. But these last two episodes are bringing down the grade for me, and I can't imagine how the finale can succeed in making sense when there are so many huge logic and continuity holes.

Thanks. I was confused. Still sort of am. Where did Crowley go after he smoked out?

Sam and Dean didn't seem to be particularly necessary to this episode which is a shame this close to the end of the season. I agree that it makes no sense that Sam is all hunky-dory with Lucifer. I guess the fact he looks like Cas instead of Mark P might help a little, but still. I have no clue what Dean's actual position was in regards to Amara's potential survival/death. It made no sense. And the whole business of taking the mark off Amara and putting it onto Sam, only to have him lose it 30 seconds later was a waste of time. I wish they wouldn't do big scenes with people dangling in the air (Amara and God) - it's never convincing and looked stupid to have Amara swatting helplessly at the smoke. I thought that smoke belonged to the darkness anyway; how come it attacked her? I really disliked it that apparently Sam and God actually got to have a little chat - off screen. And finally I hated the music at the end. Big dramatic stuff like we almost never hear on this show (and thank goodness for it). I think Robbie set the bar so high with episode 20 that there's no way to go but down. Just my opinion though.

Maybe, but only if the new writers bother to watch and pay attention to what has come before season 12. I wish I had more confidence.

Since Amara said she was upset about the fact that she wanted solitude and her brother wanted a fan club, why wasn't she happy in her nice isolated cage? An interesting proposal, Catrox14!

I liked last week's better, but this was rewatchable, which is more than I can say for some of the duo's episodes. I was really happy to see Kevin . . . but there wasn't any meat to his appearance, more just a cleaning up loose ends as others have mentioned. Personally, I'm not sure that sending Kevin to heaven was really an upgrade given what we've seen of the Supernatural version. It will be interesting to see how God & Lucifer's reunion plays out. And I'm with those who would have really liked to have seen a little more substance to Sam other than simple fan-boying. How he can still be in awe after everything he and Dean have been through because God couldn't be bothered to call his angels to heel just staggers me. Nobody should be that forgiving. As far as Metatron and Dean are concerned, at least Dean made him walk around the building all night and apparently ignored all his texts before letting him in. Petty, but deserved. Didn't they say that was a result of smiting sickness? I may be misremembering though.

Did we ever get the 7 day ratings for Don't Call Me Shurley?

I thought that the manner in which he threw it away was deliberately hurtful - by dangling it over the garbage for a few seconds before he released it, I felt he wanted to be sure Sam saw him throwing it away. In Dean's defense, though, he had had a rough year, the angels were dicking around with him, and what he saw of Sam's supposed heaven was just the last straw.

Only on Supernatural would God get his own redemption arc. I'm with those who loved it, and I totally get why Jared and some of the others were excited about it.

I thought Jensen looked pretty drunk in the video that was posted last week of him kissing that girl at the birthday party. Can't remember the exact details.

Saw tweets saying the boys were out and about in Austin this weekend. One person commented on how nice they were, and also how drunk. They seem a little old to be going out and getting drunk so often. But I'm admittedly from a different generation and I guess they're celebrating the end of the season.

He seems to really enjoy the water whether its in a pool or a lake. Looks like a good start to his summer.

We've heard of a scene of Dean and Cas hugging. There's been preview pictures of Dean and Sam hugging, with Sam kind of half burying his face on Dean's shoulder and Dean looking more stoic. I'm thinking Dean is saying goodbye, which would mean that he will be the one to die or be banished to the empty, and that it is a planned thing. Very very similar to Swan Song. Just guessing though.

Remember the fancy mansion Crowley had eons ago, when he gave the boys the Colt? If he was going to have a branch office, I would have sort of expected something like that. He's always seemed kind of particular about appearances and to appreciate luxury.

Very true! (About the writing duos capabilities).

I hate that whole warehouse concept of Heaven, along with the middle-managers, the conference room, and the weird machine that lets them check on the inhabitants through the doors. My heaven is not going to be like that. *I hope* I don't think they should ever have tried to actually portray heaven or hell (although Crowley endless lines were clever). I wonder if the contract that Crowley tore up in the beginning was the correct one for that man's soul? If so, I wonder where he kept it that he could access it despite all the demons looking for him. I also noticed that the demons in the car who were hunting him had angel blades. Man, everybody has one now. The angel blade factory must have been putting in overtime. Agreed. Maybe they could have spent a moment on Rowena's return, instead of just showing her standing around in the background without any explanation. My last complaint is about the conversation in the bunker about going after Cas. I'm glad they understood each other because having Sam and Dean go to the effort of specifically stating what their policy is, then apparently deciding to ignore it, seemed dumb to me. I didn't actually dislike the episode, despite all the gripes above. Just not one of my favorites.