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Yeah, this season, the pond seems wildly accommodating after being such a bossy dick in seasons one and two. Now, it seems to be sending whomever to wherever they're aiming for within a day or two of the intended landing date. The pond allowed Kat to visit Elijah just because she wanted him to know Jacob was okay. And, despite being largely preoccupied with the summer of 1974, allowed Kat and Jacob to go to 1816 because they expressed ... concern for over a dodgy summer that Suzanna opted not to write about. It is theoretically possible that either, the pond and Kat, Alice, and Jacob currently, and coincidently, have near precisely the same goals (unlikely) or that the pond is somewhat more accommodating when you aren't trying to do something it strictly opposes. But it's weird to see. I had the exact same reaction.

Agreed. There is a vast swath of open story terrain between Bury Your Gays and implausibly progressive attitudes. Fellowes has a knee-jerk need to sand down the realities of the times he writes about, particularly when it involves his main characters, and give them improbable (and occasionally inconsistent) progressive or ostensibly egalitarian traits. (See George Russell, the Good Robber Baron.)

I've been hoping for this. I think it should cause a significant rift. George adores his daughter. He might stand back while Berth prevented a match. But i cannot see him being okay with forcing Gladys into a match. I'm not sure he would protect Larry in the same way for any number of reasons, not the least of which is the practical fact that the risks for Larry are much lower. I hope the conflict with Larry and Marian will be less about money, or the disparity of it, and more the Bertha/Agnes friction. But that's because I've been waiting for them to be forced into interactions for two seasons. Since I don't think there we'll be a significant time jump, we'll be a bit early for this. We're still in the early in the Gilded Age for significant media backlash (even among liberal(ish) reporters). How the Other Half Lives was published in 1890 and Jacob Riis started photography as part of his journalism in the late 1880s. This season should be 1884. I do think, should the show get a few more seasons (not necessary another full 6), it would be a good topic. Though, I'm a little apprehensive about how Julian Fellowes would handle it. My trust level is ... low. Yes. This. I don't necessarily trust Julian Fellowes with this either. But I think it would still be good.

I find myself really looking forward to the second season. I can use some fluffy coming of age nonsense to counter the coming bleak future.

Huh, I thought her reaction was reasonable. Del was friendly enough until Colton got on his "people who like disco are all tone deaf" (which isn't what that term means, bro) high horse. Granted, I have a particularly exhausting history with that specific brand of pretentious musician, so I could have been projecting... or maybe I am also an unfriendly bitch (a possibility I do not completely discount). In anycase, she didn't seem all that standoffish. Just a bit reserved. Evelyn's reaction and comments seemed more a combination of being the complete opposite of reserved, and thus finding Del too uptight by contrast, and a hint of jealousy with the way Colton couldn't break his gaze from Del from the moment she arrived. And, we saw Del being a very warm and, if slightly less charismatic then her husband, fairly open person in 1999. So it does appear that the consecutive tragedies made her recede into her reserve and close off with grief. I'm glad Kat apologized to Elliot for shutting him down with "I don't want to have to take care of you too." That was harsh. I actually flinched when she said it. I kind of understand what she was thinking. Elliot would be new to the experience of being in a new era which has to be disorienting even with his experience from the other perspective. And the more time travelers running around the more potential for chaos. Although this show seems to subscribe to the what happened will always happen/paradox premise. So they can't actually cause harm or change anything because if any of them go back, they were always going to go back and the history they know was always based on that. That said, Kat could have told Elliot that she had to go back because her daughter was apparently tossed into the pond unwillingly, but one of them needed to stay. And/or she could have pointed out that it wasn't a good time them to explore time travel together while her daughter was already somewhere someone forcibly sent her. Finally, Elliot cannot catch a fucking break. Not only is Kat kind of a dick who takes him for granted even now that she intermittently acknowledges that she tends to take him for granted, but his father is an absolute bastard. Seem it's just Vic's nature since he was also a little asshole in 1974. Speaking of, how young was he when Elliot was born? Based on their ages in season one, 15/16 in 1999, Kate and Elliot should have been born in 83 or 84, a mere 10 years or less after the summer we just saw. Vic seemed to be about 12 or so there. Did he get married at 20?

Susanna is definitely in love with Kat. And I agree with @MJ Frog that Kat returns those feelings. I don't necessarily think Kat has feelings for EVERYONE, at least not romantic love. But I'm inclined to agree that she feels at least some type of love for Susanna, Thomas, and Elliot (in descending order of chemistry). Honestly, Susanna is the only one she appears to be in love with. (And the music seemed to agree.) Thomas feels more like excitement and lust. And Elliot seems like her safe place. But the way she looks at and expresses herself regarding Susanna seems almost as clear a declaration as Susanna's portrait.

It was available for me on my Peacock on demand. I'm hoping it remains so and this wasn't a teaser, emphasis on tease.

I could swear it was referenced, even if not directly stated in the way it was later. But the remainder of my post stands. We didn't ever see her steal power that wasn't being used on her* and if she could, why wouldn't she? Why bait a coven into acting out the charade with the Witches Road and then yell at them if she could just suck them dry without going to such lengths. Just meet a witch or witches, corner one or two alone, drain them, and carry on your merry way. Agatha may be a sociopath, but she doesn't seem to be a sadist. She didn't seem the time to play with her food for amusement. I would actually think she might find it to be a colossal waste of energy. *We didn't see much of her interactions when she was baiting witches into her home. But there was screaming and then power flares. So, Agatha could have attacked to goad them into self-defense and then stolen power.

Agatha also said it to Rio in the first episode. And we never saw Agatha steal power that wasn't being used on her, so it appears to be true. (Otherwise, why not just snatch at least some of Billy's?) It is also true that Agatha could resort to forcing someone to use their power by physically attacking them. That might be what she was doing when using Nick as bait to get witches to come to her, attacking them when they came in to shock them into using their magic on her in self-defense so that she could steal their power

That's true of the Witches' Road witches. But the years with Nick showed that she used him to bait witches into her home and then attacked them to steal their power. It was unclear why she was doing that rather than simply living her life. I would have liked a better understanding of her motivation for collecting power even when not under any particular threat. Even with the Witches' Road witches, though certainly going DefCon1 based on relatively minor provocation, Agatha still set them up. It may have been alarmingly easy to bait them. But they were baited.

I really like Thalia in the books. I'm looking forward to this.

This show seems to follow the canon of the podcast show Orphan Black: The Next Chapter. I don't want to spoil the show if anyone wants to listen. Suffice to say, people being aware of the Project Leda clones is consistent with the events of that program.

I agree. Plus, the entire framing of the shooting was designed for this kind of story beat. Also, he looked to be bleeding from his head.

This feels like, of the 3 seasons' various Peggy Storyline, it has the best odds of 1) fitting the show rather than making it seem like she's on a totally different show altogether, 2) be something that Lord Julian Fellowes could potentially handle adequately, if not necessarily well.

I was enjoying this episode. And then they killed Craig. I will not forgive that. Otherwise, I'm really enjoying the interaction of the Me, Me, and Me (that is the only way I will refer to them since when Lucy did so it cracked me up). the dynamic are interesting. Echos (no pun intended) of the interactions of early Clone Club minus the friction of Alison having no time for newbies. And, not that it justifies what Kira did... but I get it, Eleanor.v2 is fucking great and I assume the OG was too (we didn't get to see enough outside of her glimpses through Kira's perspective in 1 Ep.) Although, it was shitty of Eleanor to hid her illness from her son.