HelloOutThere

Thank you for saying this. As a gay man who doesn’t present as the Beverly Hills shi-shi-shi stereotype (even though I live in LA), I sometimes need to tell female acquaintances that I am gay. The reaction I hate the second-most is “OMG that’s AMAZE!!!! Now we can go shopping and watch rom-coms together! BFFs!!!!” The reaction I hate the most? “OMG I KNEW it...because you never hit on me!!!” Yes, both real real reactions I’ve experienced more than once 🙄 Onto more important things. Does anyone else remember when Shannon was trying to get Kelly drunk in Iceland or wherever during Kelly’s first season? That was a really mean, nasty thing for Shannon to do. Kelly was in tears... ....and then she turns around and does the same thing to Bronnie with the tequila and the “I’m not a quitter Hahaha! 🐷🐷🐷!!!” Stunningly insensitive and LOW CLASS behavior. Kelly is stereotypical ASU trash to the absolute core in the worst way possible including being dumb as rocks and a huge slut. I also think she does a ton of cocaine. (Not saying all ASU grads are like this, of course, but garbage like Kelly is where stereotypes come from. Did K even graduate?) Shannon is a harpy and a shrew and she WILL drive her new man away. Her own daughter already knows it. SHE is the problem, not the men in her life.

Jenny’s over the top monologue was so over-the-top EXTRA and embarrassing! My stars, what a DRAMA QUEEN! She is giving Kenny a run for his money as biggest drama queen. Fun reminder: Jenny and Kenny are just 4 years apart in age. 👀 And their names ryhme!

Elizabeth reminds me of Jody Foster in “Candleshoe” crossed with Dana “25k sunglasses” on BH. But she seems like a nice person. She is the SoCal equivalent of a Beverly Hillbilly. I wish she’d stop trying so hard with the money talk. I’ll give it a mild break because she has to stand out somehow, and now that I think about it, it’s no worse than the embarrassing try-hard spending that was the hallmark of the earlier seasons (broke-ass Husband Curtin buying the daughter a BMW, Peggy Tanous driving parking her Bentley in the driveway of her cookie-cutter tract home, etc.) In her heart Shannon is a very competitive, snobby bitch. I think she took Elizabeth’s off-camera declaration that she (Liz) was now the “richest bitch in Newport” the first time she met Shannon as a challenge and a huge threat. I’m willing to give Liz a shot as she may be an excellent long term challenger to that side of Shannon Storms Bedour.

I found it incredibly rude when Mrs. Shrek Ari told Baby TWICE she thought the baptism was “silly.” RUDE. Last week I shared that I found Kenny (who I wanted to like at the start of the season) overbearing and dramatic. And he didn’t fail to deliver in this episode! All you fine folks have already covered the overbearingness he demonstrated in terms of parenting. On the DRAMATIC side, we have Armando and Hannah sharing a cute, heartfelt, beautiful moment in the car...and in bombs Kenny with (paraphrasing): “Wow lol I can’t understand what you guys are saying lol you guys could TOTALLY BE TALKING SHIT ABOUT ME LOL” Like...Wtf??? Way to commandeer a nice moment and make it all about KENNY. Who says that about a little girl? Who even thinks that way at freaking 57?? It’s insulting, inflammatory and a blatant cry for positive attention. Last week we had him saying Papa Armando was emitting bad energy...but only at KENNY, of course. Immature and DRAMATIC!

Raise your hand if you wouldn’t mind if in the next episode, while Ari is FREAKING out on the delivery room table, a nurse just slapped her right firm across the face to calm her down??? (No injuries, of course.) 🙋‍♂️🙋‍♂️🙋‍♂️ She is annoying and she reminds me of Mrs. Shrek, and I’ll leave the subject of Ari there. I am a half Mexican gay man. I found the scene with Armando’s family to be one of the most realistic portrayals about a very real part of gay life for many man. Coming out is a super intense process, and in many cases takes family time to come around. Doesn’t mean they won’t. Just means it takes time. Baby steps. In those cases, it’s SUPER awkward at first. Like we saw. The fact that it was filmed made it so much more uncomfortable. That poor family. And Kenny is perhaps the worst type of gay personality to have to integrate with a traditional family like Armando’s. Lots of work to be done, and it will take a long time. Time Kenny does not have the patience for. I find him dramatic and overbearing. On that note - What was an awkward moment due to the fact that they are still working through accepting their son who previously married a woman’s sexual orientation, plus the cameras, plus the dad likely worked his ass off that day = just an overwhelming moment for all involved. Which got translated into “real bad energy” or whatever Kenny described it as. I found that quite rude. It’s like, dude you are kind of an airhead (I think Armando is by FAR the most intelligent of the pair) and can’t be bothered to learn a LICK of Spanish, and don’t know up from freaking down, and it’s the dad who has “bad energy”?? DRAMATIC. Great real scene with Sumit and his family! Every once in a while TLC still brings some raw realness and it makes me feel a little bit better about still paying out the nose for cable.

“Chucklet” is a perfect nickname! Thank you to the poster who came up with that. The lights were BRIGHT at that wedding reception. All the better to see you with, my drunken Chucklet sloth. I’d also like to comment on Coltee’s puking. Usually people puke after being pushed to their absolute limit. Often in a group setting or with a coach. Super high intensity. I have a feeling the producers were like “ok go ahead and do a workout so we can get some footage.” And then he galloped around and kinda touched some of the equipment and ran in circles. And puked. It was super weird and I think completely accidental. Then his almost-sexy friend (I liked his haircut) shows up and Colt sits there talking with puke breath? So strange.

I’m way late to this party but just wanted to share a few thoughts: - I found Synergy’s (autocorrected and leaving it) friends hilarious! Took me right back to my college frat house days. The bit where they started chanting “Married man! Married man! MARRIED MAN!” with the wee mustachioed one pounding on the table in rhythm was gold! That, my friends, is getting TURNT UP. - When Syngyn was taking about the great sex he has with Tania 🤢, anyone else hear the wee mustachioed one squeak out an “I know...I was right there!” Poor kid. No wonder he drinks so much. - Anyone else get Robin Williams vibes from Syngyn? Specifically Robins Williams in Mrs. Doubtfire. I can just see him bellowing “Help is on the way, dear!!!” after shoving his face in a cake. - Finally, I think TLC is saving pennies and having the same person play both Lo and Mom Asuelo. Have we seen them in the same room together? 😉

That scene in the drug den (crack house?) with the other drug users partying was so eerie — like out of a movie! 😱 Laughed out loud when Nathan suggested that the guests set up their own beds! Something a petulant 4 year old would say. The eldest brother was well spoken - when Nathan said he’d been in jail three times (or whatever), eldest brothers reaction was “why does he say that like it’s an accolade??!!” Well said. Felt for the poor younger brother who really only ever knew Nathan as a drama causing, attention hogging drug addict. I’ve watched Intervention since the Cristy days and this latest batch of Canadian episodes hasn’t been bad IMO. They feel more real and raw, like the earliest seasons of the U.S. version.

Without getting too “woo,” I believe that buildings, structures and homes often contain their own energy. Not necessarily a supernatural thing, but more a combination of things like light and layout and overall vibe. I find Bluestone Manor’s energy very foreboding and just...off, and I think it reflects in these trainwreck episodes. It doesn’t seem like a warm and welcoming place, more like creepy and kooky like the Addams Family’s mansion, but minus the sophisticated fabulousness of the Addamses. And I think this energy affects the way the “girls” behave there. Things get REALLY nasty there — we have an entire sizzle reel of horrific meltdowns and awful insults hurled. Then everyone wakes up and “moves on” without really resolving the conflict at all, which feeds back into the off-kilter energy. It’s like a horror movie where everyone gets possessed at night and attacks one another and everyone wakes up the next day with no memory of anything. It’s truly a house of horrors. Dorinda’s personal unsettled energy probably plays a big part in the overall vibe of the house. The house reflects her, of course, and neither are in a good place no matter how expensive the fabrics on the outside.

Cheesedick, Draculette, Yazoo. Loving these nicknames! So very Endora (from Bewitched) of us. Just want to add that Mama Deavan actually accomplished something significant this episode: she actually managed to look WORSE in her TH interviews than she did after getting off a 22 hour flight! Her attitude and behavior were disgusting and unacceptable for any situation, let alone meeting her in-laws for the first time. I rarely say this, but what a true piece of shit. Even Dragzilla was better behaved coming off that flight.

My LOL moment from this episode was when Jihoon’s friends said his behavior was embarrassing and he was making Korean men look bad! That was some real talk.

As a half Mexican gay man, Kenny and Armando’s story intrigues me. Kenny seems like a good guy and I hope this couple lasts — for the sake of their happiness, that of their children, and to just plain serve as a good representation of a healthy gay couple. That said — I am going to watch with caution. Others have noted here that age differences are less impactful in gay relationships, and that can be true under the right circumstances. What matters more than age is what I like to call “place in gay journey.” Even in the most ideal conditions, working through being gay is a long journey with many parts. I won’t bore with details, but for anyone interested, a book called “The Velvet Rage” is a good read. Even though Armando has a child, he is just beginning his life as an openly gay man. Now, IMO admitting and accepting that you are gay to yourself (which Armando has done) is different than accepting yourself as an open gay man in the world. This second stage is hard enough to achieve under the most welcoming scenarios, let alone when dealing with a close-minded family. There is a lot to work through there, and frankly I don’t think someone is ready for a relationship until they have worked through this stage. Kenny did this 30 years ago and had his glory days in the gay clubs back in the 1980s (based on his photos with the ‘80s hair, I can guarantee you he was quite popular). Kenny has simply explored much more of the gay world than has Armando. If these two stay isolated in Mexico, things will probably work out. But what if they go on vacation to Los Angeles, go to gay clubs filled with young attractive men, and Armando suddenly realizes that there are a lot of fish in a sea he has only dipped a toe in? I’ve seen this happen time and time again. A gay man meets a younger (age-wise or journey-wise) man who has had little exposure to the gay world, they start going out, and suddenly the younger loses interest as he realizes he hasn’t sewn his wild oats, and that there are tons of willing fish in the sea. Armando’s family reminds me very much of some of my family in Mexico. I was bawling in that scene with his sister. Traditional Mexican families are extremely loving and intense; the average American family is cold and distant in comparison. I do think that his family will come around but it will take a while. As good as he looks I don’t know if Kenny has the time to wait for Armando to work through all this to approach the relationship in a clear headed way. I certainly don’t mean to generalize and definitely don’t attempt to speak for all gay men. But as someone who’s being around the block once or thrice — exploring myself as a gay man in Los Angeles for the past ~20 years — it’s my take. I wish these guys the best!

Well said. I think they have to fill so many “90 Day” hours of content that now we have strange series-within-series like the “Catfish” style investigating with Yolanda and Williams (edit: I initially accidentally wrote “Brooks” as in RHOC; guess they are both filed under “plural names” and “trash TV” in my brain) “The Bachelor” with Jesse, and now the quarantine show, which reminds me of the terrible later seasons of “True Life” on MTV when people were way too aware of the cameras and it had lots the rawness and voyeuristic vibe that it had it its initial seasons in the ‘90s. Yet I still watch. With limits. No “Family Chantal” or quarantine show for me. I caught a few mins of the quarantine show that — of course — was dominated by Paula and a platinum blond haired Roooooos (btw wtf on that hair). No gracias.

LOL! I must admit, I had not heard the term “ragamuffin” before. Never did I think I would learn a new vocabulary word from Kyle Richards. I was going to comment how this season more than ever Kyle just seems so out of her depth living this “BH Lifestyle.” She always talks about being born and raised in BH, but she always seems like a transplant who moved to LA from a smaller, more humble town and is trying desperately to fit in to this upper crust LA lifestyle that she as a human just doesn’t fit. It’s not like she is a grifter or doesn’t really have money; it’s more that she lacks sophistication and CONFIDENCE. It feels like she is desperately trying to be this rich grand dame when she is really more suited to being a stay at home mom of 3 somewhere in the suburbs driving a Ford Flex. More like Eileen’s life. But she can’t help herself from trying to be “cool” by living a certain lifestyle and it just doesn’t work. She comes across as provincial and unpolished. Also, what is the “eye job” she has had done? Is it just too much Botox that raises her eyebrows a lot (guilty of having that happen to me)? I find the bangs alone look very harsh and age her horribly. I hate to say it but she looks really bad this season in almost all scenes. Someone posted a screenshot from the episode when Kim threw the glass at Rinna and even though she was upset in the scene, Kyle looked great. In earlier seasons I found her quite striking in a good way. Now it’s in a bad way. I don’t mean to pick on Kyle. I think she is a great mom and has many positive traits. Girl just needs to stop frontin’!

Well-said regarding Teddy. In this cast, she is a plain Jane not in looks (I think she is very pretty) but in personality. She’s not loud and over the top and shi shi shi enough. In other words, she’s not enough of a crazy bitch. She should take the fact that she doesn’t fit in with this group as a compliment. Sutton fits like a hideous couture glove and she’s awful. Teddy should move to Newport and join the OC cast and just blow those bitches out of the water. She would come across as positively royal in that cast.

Why does Kyle look so bad?? She looked ghastly at her own dinner. Those earrings and bangs and feather sleeve things. She looked like she was in a costume with stage makeup applied. There was an episode of Punky Brewster (the beloved original series) where Punky found herself at a fancy dinner party and was extremely out of her depth and slipped escargot down her dress so she wouldn’t have to eat it. Something like that. That’s how Kyle seems to me. Faking it. She just doesn’t seem like she fits the lifestyle she is trying to portray. Neither does stoned ass Mauricio. Separately but related, they should have broken the fourth wall and fired Teddi on the spot when she asked “what’s ready-to-wear”? That is not BH behavior!! She seems like someone who is not cut out for LA, let alone “upper crust” LA culture. I think she’d be much happier in somewhere like Del Mar or Fairbanks Ranch in San Diego. (Disclosure: I live in LA and grew up in San Diego.) Finally, TMCFR (Faye) is morphing into the female gremlin from Gremlins 2. ...and yet I still watch.

Yes! That’s it. Ladies of London is a bit fuzzy in my memory, but it was underrated now that I think about it! Some quality train wrecks and villains, and even grand old English estates. Better than tract homes in the Valley!!

I really miss Kyle’s old house. I personally really like Bel Air and her house was such a classic, classy HOMEY home. A home that with regular updates—like her last kitchen there—never goes out of style. I realize it was no huge manse but I just loved it. I think the new property and bones of the new house are beautiful, but I strongly dislike the entire way it has been done inside. It goes counter to the house’s character and just feels like a hollow, vast space with too-bright lighting. I think that house would be so much more desirable if it was kept more original inside. Apparently I am an old soul when it comes to houses. 🤔 I was so sad when she moved. It was like when Mary Richards moved into that terrible modern apartment towards the end of Mary Tyler Moore. Changed the whole feel of the show.

I live in the LA area so I’m loving these mentions of all the neighborhoods! I agree with those saying we need higher end ladies up in here. This is BH not OC. I still remember the watching the very first episode of BH and just watching the intro transformed me into Lovey Howell and I blurted out a good, “Oh this is FABULOUS darling!!!” It was like the old “Lifestyles of the Rich and Faaaaaaamous” from the ‘80s, only a reality show! Cool! It was NOT tract homes in the Valley. I think Sutton was brought on to up the lux factor and that’s probably the best they could find. She could actually be kind of a Marlo (Atlanta) figure, kind of buzzing around being ridiculous without being a full time HW. I also think Sutton is being denied full time because she doesn’t “look the part” enough. Yet. If she is kept on it will be fascinating how fast she ups her clothing, hair, makeup and—from what I’m reading on this thread—her house game. She apparently has the cash to make it happen. She has a lot of polishing to do because most well off average ladies are MUCH more put together. She is Lea Black (Miami) levels of rough canvas to be starting with. She also reminds me of one of the Ladies of London, one of the American ones who was into fashion. She was always wearing some couture this or that and it ALWAYS looked wrong. Every time.

Thank you! I feel like being a lil OT is ok at the end of a thread of a now non-current episode 😉 I’ll check these out! “Munchies” - never heard of that term before but love it upon first hearing. Here in Los Angeles things are getting pretty locked down for the next bit here, so I’ll have plenty of time to read! Some prefer novels, some enjoy munchies threads on reddit. 🧐

Thanks for sharing. I find munchausen by Internet fascinating. I often share an article The Atlantic did on the topic with people who don’t believe me when I say it’s not uncommon on the internet. Please know that your traumatizing research is appreciated!

Yes! I grew up in the ‘90s and also watched a lot of Dick Van Dyke reruns! Every time I hear someone this season mention “Rose Marie...” the announcer inside my head exclaims “...Morey Amsterdam!!” Now, the Rose Marie pictured above is a REAL broad. Unlike Lisa on this season who I think in her mind is a “cool broad” but in real life is a repulsive Simpsons character. I appreciate Usman’s honesty when asked if he found her attractive and he responded (paraphrasing) that “she has a hole.” As a man now in my latter 30s, I remember when having the “right anatomy” was enough to perform. Those days ended in my late 20s. And fun fact - pills like viagra don’t just make erections happen out of the blue. There still needs to be some base level of arousal for the pills to enhance. I’d imagine Usman will require lights off and perhaps some “inspirational visuals” displayed on his tv or computer / phone screen to perform. Btw, One of the most horrifying moments ever on 90DF was when Lisa was taking to her friend about condomless sex and the friend said something like “it’s like taking a virgin!” 🤢 🤮 Gross!! It was like two witches sitting around the cauldron talking about their next child victim. Imagine if it was Big Ed talking like that about a girl with a gross buddy of his. Wrong!

...so this is weird to admit but I was actually voted “Most Likely To Succeed” in high school 😱🙈😱 I was pretty bookish as a high schooler and got pretty good grades. My friends were less school-focused and much more social than me, so by association of my friends I got to know many people in the school. I think people were like “hmm well HelloOutThere gets good grades so I’ll put him for this.” I was shocked and mortified when the yearbooks came out!!! Omg panic bells, red alert in my high school brain. A teacher who I respected very much told me to take it as a compliment, so I tried my best to. One of those silly things. My 20th reunion is actually next year - I couldn’t make it to the 10 year but do plan on making the 20. I won’t lie when I say I really, really hope nobody brings up the “Most likely...” titles. I certainly won’t! Completely separate, I kind of saw where Brandon was coming from when he made the “Land Before Time” reference. Something about the plastic, artificial look of the latex reminded me of that old show “Dinosaurs” from the ‘90s (“I’m the baby! Gotta looooove me!”) No idea why. Then Brandon made his comment and I was like yes!! Which scares me because I really am not a fan of Brandon.

When Sergio doubled down on his political message and said he’s just “living my truth” and smirked at the camera, I literally groaned out loud. “Living your truth” does not mean appropriating causes and using them as a shield to ward off criticism of your work. How DARE you not put my tent cocoon on the top??!! It’s about TRANS RIGHTS!! I’m not having it, and very glad the judges (and producers) aren’t either. He’s like a modern Willy Wonka character whose character flaw is hiding behind and weaponizing SJW causes for his own selfish gain. Victoria, meanwhile, was bringing her best Veruca Salt performance tonight. I find Geoff adorable and hilarious. He reminds me of a guy I dated briefly who was a librarian and full of nervous energy in a way that was really endearing. And I’m a sucker for a mustache. If you’re ever in Los Angeles, Geoff, holler at me!!! 😝

Sergio’s crying reminded me of how people cry on “Shark Tank.” Speaking totally normal, then spontaneous burst into tears slash sob story. Sergio is really bad at being a stealth bitch. I think he has a great drive to succeed and do his parents (who looked very sweet) proud. He is overcompensating and shooting himself in the foot. He needs experiences like being on the bottom and being essentially called out for using his “cause” as a shield to show him that he’s not as clever as he thinks. The dress he designed looked like what Ricky Ricardo’s MOTHER wore on “I Love Lucy”!