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I don’t know why stabler was given so many damn kids in the first place given his profession. I just never connected with any of them. I hope he comes back single because I think it opens more possibilities. Kathy hated when he went undercover etc. and we’ve just never seen Elliot single. He knocked up his high school or college (I can’t remember) gf and married her to do the right thing. I’d rather see Elliot awkwardly try to date than continue to fight with Kathy just because we haven’t seen it before.

I must admit that I’m intrigued. It’s been so long. And Olivia has been uninspired lately (Mariska too). Regardless of my feelings about stabler, Meloni is a very capable actor. And much stronger than the actors she’s been opposite of (not just his acting but also his presence). I’m wondering if Meloni can pull some more out of Mariska who has been coasting with that awful whisper for awhile. Last inspired performances was when she adopted Noah and the Lewis arc. They don’t have to go the romantic route and I don’t think they will. Their relationship was rich enough without them having sex. Olivia sorting through feelings of having Stabler back, working with his unit, perhaps, will be more interesting than watching her run after Noah. I do not want to see Kathy or those kids. Hopefully they scrap the idea they had for the finale. Stabler can explain where he’s been in the premiere.

Maybe there's just something likable about Reese even when she's awful, but I liked Elena more than her awful kids. And I'm not a white woman; can't relate to the character, at all. I just could not bring myself to see those kids as anything other than spoiled, privileged brats who couldn't handle living on the other side (or that useless husband). So I felt nothing but anger at them for burning that house down. I hated all the kids by the end of it, even Pearl. I've disliked Mia since episode 1 and nothing changed. Maybe a good thing I don't have kids. lol I haven't watched a show in awhile where I didn't like a single character. I care about none of these people. Has anyone read "Such a fun age" by Riley Reid? Smells like Reese's next project.

Never liked Peter. I thought he was a bad bachelor choice from the beginning largely because of his dynamic with his parents. It always came off as unhealthy. Then I read they were all wannabe actors. All leading to this mess tonight. What an awful choice by TPTB. I put it all on them. This family needs to be in a therapist office.

Never liked Peter. I thought he was a bad bachelor choice from the beginning largely because of his dynamic with his parents. It always came off as unhealthy. Then I read they were all wannabe actors. All leading to this mess tonight. What an awful choice by TPTB. I put it all on them. This family needs to be in a therapist office.

Saying she’s a virgin and saying she didn’t want peter to have sex with anyone else are two separate things. She’s struggled explaining the latter. She explicitly said she didn’t want peter to think she was shaming or judging him. Like Luke was accused... JMO but I believe while she was thinking all those weeks about how she would tell peter her views, how luke was treated was something she was thinking about. She said she was going for peter, not sure I believe her, but that would mean she watched his season.

She applied to the bachelor when the season was airing. Most contestants watch to see who might be bachelor. She claimed she was hoping for peter. So she watched if we believe her

I was explaining why I thought she was so careful with her words and struggled to spit it out during FS, not speaking on her behavior generally. I think she was being careful with her words during the FS discussion. I don’t think it’s crazy to believe she watched the season peter was on. The Luke drama happened not even a year ago and it got a lot of coverage. She had to be concerned what people would say about her after Luke P knowing she held the same beliefs re sex.

She holds the same values as Luke P. Wanting a man like her father who gives Luke P vibes. I said in the episode thread she either signed up for Colton, whom I think is probably much more her type, or signed up for the platform. If she is with Peter, she won't be for long. I don't think she will stay with him at all. She will fake the funk through the finale and promo and peace out.

Madison has the benefit of watching Luke P last year. She was being very careful with her words and not just saying what she felt because of the hate Luke got. She was almost putting forth her rebuttal to the Luke P haters I.e. “I’m not judging you” “there are just my standards.” I wonder if she would of put it that way if she didn’t know what happened to Luke last year. she was fumbling all over the place and unable to spit it out because she didn’t what the backlash if she said what she really thought

^Lauren B never got over Ben sleeping with the other two and Ben admitted it. Shawn never got over it. Strung kaitlyn along but never was going to marry her according to kaitlyn. Knowing what little I do about Catherine Lowe and Cassie, I don’t think either of those women would’ve gotten over their men sleeping with others and there would be no bachelor couples together. Last I heard, he was dating a girl from his church. She looked similar to Madison too. I still wonder if Madison signed up for Colton. Would make more sense. If not, she just signed up for the platform.

My defense was solely of that one conversation during fantasy suites not all of his behavior. luke was awful but so was his bachelorette. She was too a narcissist and none of the men but Luke liked her, for good reason.

Luke was maybe the only man her season that actually liked her. He is the only one who would've married her. Luke had his awful moments but so did she! He was never some big, scary, angry boyfriend. He was more so a doofus and totally clueless. Hannah threw more tantrums. The whole windmill ordeal was ridiculous. Imagine Jed wasn't a bad guy with a girlfriend and she had told the whole world she screwed another dude twice in a windmill days before he proposed? She acted crazy with Luke. She didn't care about Jed's feelings, or peter's, or Tyler's. No matter whom she chose her relationship wouldn't last because of HER actions. Same for Peter.

^ They are reimagining the conversation with Luke. I just watched. He was not in any way the "angry boyfriend" or aggressive. He was inarticulate, but very calm. In fact, he was nervous and his voice was shaky. He was not demanding in any way. Hannah was the angry and aggressive one, yelling at him while standing over him, and then flipping him off.

This is also what I remember. I remember Colton being very protective over Cassie. Once he chose her, and she became part of the virginity conversation, he shut the questioning down and made clear he would no longer talk about his virginity. --- I hope Madison runs far away from Peter. Hopefully she's just entertaining it until the finale airs. She has to know deep down that he is not the man for her. I can't see how she wouldn't be totally turned off after watching his season.

I too defended Luke. I think, since Hannah is a woman, the audience mostly made up of women related to her more and went into defense mode. Now, the sexes have been reversed and the audience is protective over Madison because she's a woman. I don't think any man, not just Luke, would get the benefit of the doubt Madison is getting for making this ultitmatum. If a man says it, he's being controlling. If a woman says it, she has high standards. That's just what I'm seeing. I get the history. I do. But there's nothing controlling to me about someone, male or female, saying I'm not proposing to or accepting a proposal from someone who just slept with multiple other people the same week. That's just being sane. Madison and Luke have just highlighted the absurdness of this whole process and why most of the final pairings don't work. Over two decades of the bachelor and only one bachelor has married his final one, and he was abstaining. Colton's the only other one with his final one and he too kept it in his pants. This isn't a coincidence.

I said a difference is that Madison is a likable woman. The conversation, though, was no different than the one Luke had with Hannah during fantasy suites, which was my point. They both gave ultimatums based on their religious beliefs. We have no clue if Madison is a perfect Christian either. In fact, we know she isn't, because no one is. I concede Luke was a mess last season but his FS conversation with Hannah was the same as Madison's with Peter.

Yep. Isn't Luke P abstaining from sex until marriage and has been since he got saved? That means he's walking the walk. I see no difference between what Luke said and what Madison said. Madison is just more articulate and a likable woman. She gave him an ultimatum and preached about her "high standards" all the same. It's funny to watch the different reactions, though. I went back to watch Luke P's conversation again and he was very calm and said nothing offensive or unreasonable. Hannah was defensive because she felt guilty about banging those other men and wanted the freedom to bang them all and still get a proposal. Cool if another man wanted to propose to her after that, but Luke said he did not. He never said she wasn't worthy of some other man. Madison is saying the exact same.

Tv spoilers tell what happens on the show. It can’t confirm what she’s done in her personal life in the past. This all smells like a witch hunt to me.

I didn’t have a problem with Victoria’s reaction because of how peter went about it. He was about to meet her parents but first! Let’s talk about this vague accusation my ex made about you! He’s an idiot and I don’t feel bad for him when these women go off on him because he is spineless. Im also not about to brand Victoria with the letter A based on rumors. That’s dangerous. For all we know she batted her eyelashes at a dude and he went crazy for her and she’s being called a home wrecker. A lot of women are projecting when it comes to this Victoria F situation; we don’t know Victoria f or what she’s done. Based on the preview I see no difference with what Madison will say and what Luke p said. I stuck up for Luke P back then. Luke was very calm when he stated his dealbreaker and Hannah b flew off the handle because of her guilt about sexing multiple men. My guess is peter will handle what Madison says more rationally so the conversation won’t look as bad. But she’s making the same ultimatum.

Peter never left his family bubble. Same for Chris, though being a farmer he probably at least interacted with lower income people. Colton made NFL practice squads which meant he spent time in diverse locker rooms in college and the NFL, close quarters with others not like him. Peter grew up a prince and never left his castle it seems by how his parents act. My point was more about peter's limited exposure to people unlike him, not wealth or white.

They all say that. I remember Dylan telling Hannah b that and it was clear on paradise he signed up for Hannah G.

You have to keep some women around and Peter only kept one WOC around. I don’t think he would ever pick Kelsey either.

No. I think Sean was the only one who had even dated black women before. He chose an asian woman. Peter strikes me as someone who didn't even have POC as friends growing up. Colton seemed attracted to Katie and Tayshia, but he played football and was at least exposed to other races because of that.

Another thought: I wonder if Madison signed up for Colton. He seems more of what she's looking for. I can't see her signing up for any of the men on Hannah's season except Luke but he was the early villain and never in the running for bachelor.