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Zac, producers, Ben, Ivan everyone knows Zac is the winner. Ben is back because the producer asked to give them some drama for the finale. Because this is game over for Zac. I guess they couldn’t let their back up bachelorette leave early too.

I’m pretty sure the second oldest (brother) made an appearance on coltons season. He was just quiet. The sister did not. The younger brother did as well. the second oldest might be done with the military. The pics tayshia posted of him in gear were years ago. So if he’s out I expect him to be on the show. The sister probably doesn’t make it.

Tayshia was on Colton season not Ben’s. She is college educated like her siblings. She’s the oldest of four. She has two younger siblings who are or were military. And a middle school aged brother. I believe her father goes government contracting work.

Did it last year with Peter and his final three.

It doesn't seem like we are getting an ATFR so I don't think Ben will change the ending.

and Riley and we know she didn't want him. This has been game over for me for awhile. She didn't have chemistry with anyone but Zac and Ben IMO and Ben went home last week and just wasn't ready to get engaged so never thought it would be him. I do think tayshia has made some good friendships and cared about multiple men. But I've only seen a love connection with Zac.

Zac has been clean for a decade now and took a leap to hard drugs after a brain tumor. I’m certainly empathetic to what being diagnosed with a tumor in your 20s can do to a person. My god brother got the same diagnosis at around the same age. Zac now has multiple addiction treatment facilities and clearly comes from a loving family who supported him and helped him get it together. I can’t say he’s not deserving of love. She can ask the details during FS and I’m sure she will. Ivan’s brother’s past isn’t an indictment on his family. He is younger so I do believe they are full. A lot of young men get caught up in gangs. Recruitment starts in middle school now. Sounds like he started involvement before his brain even fully developed. If he murdered someone I don’t think he would be free in his 20s. Would I have questions for Ivan about his affiliations? Yes, I do think marrying someone whose brother is gang affiliated and is around could raise safety concerns. But do we even know if Ivan lives close to his brother? I would ask during FS.

I think Ivan would be a very boring bachelor (not that Matt will be any better lol) Zach and Brendan (if he actually wanted to get engaged) would be interesting bachelor picks

That's the thing with this show...she's spent maybe 4 hrs total time with Ben. She doesn't know him and has been playing a guessing game.

Had to send Brendan or Ben home. It was a toss up for me.

I didn't think she could move in that thing. I was concerned about an underwear shot when the camera was filming her behind!

She couldn't in the jean short skirt. Dad had cancer and a heart attack.

I think I felt differently about Ivan's date than others. I felt like he took a leap with this date. Right now I'm leaning toward Zac and Ivan as final two. I noticed neither of Brendan and Ben's parents showing up. Brendan mentioned his dad passed but not mom, I don't think. And I thought Brendan's hometown was pretty lackluster. Ben feels like a bachelor candidate to me more than a choice for Tayshia.

Then he should’ve left. That’s all I’m saying. He’s another Peter K to me. He’s not feeling tayshia but didnt leave because he wanted airtime. I don’t think we really saw him pursuing Clare or Tayshia, just lurking in the back and getting by on being cute. Brendan is not ready to propose on the show or off, IMO. He’s just taking up space and didn’t sign up to fall in love, not with Clare and not with Tayshia. All JMO

Chris can’t possibly think we actually enjoy the men tell all. I would’ve preferred Riley in f4 in place of Brendan. We’ve been watching Brendan whine over potentially having to propose already and that just continues it looks like from the preview; three shots of him crying in the promo; as if he didn‘t know this is the freaking bachelorette; as if he didn’t have an opportunity to leave when Clare left; but then not enough airtime for him. Stop choosing these men who will not propose to the top 4. I’m so tired of the storyline.The show’s timeline is ridiculous but you signed up for it and had plenty of opportunity to leave and I’m not letting Tayshia off the hook because should’ve sent him home last week.

Speaking of hometowns, what about fantasy suites?? How are they doing them? Is it even fantasy suites if they don’t travel?

Hannah B was a lot of things!

I see what you’re saying—yes, this was promoted as not like recent seasons where we had young leads whom were not ready for marriage. Clare is older and ready so she was more like the leads of old; she was also from an older season. Tayshia is also older, been divorced, men on her season have jobs and been divorced and more settled. Previous bachelorette was a 25 year old pageant girl from Alabama who made a mess of her season due to her low self esteem and just not being ready; she chose a 24-year old singer who only signed up for his music career. So when they meant change they just meant revert back to normal and I do think season has done that. All JMO Edit to add: Matt hasn’t been on the show but he has very much been exposed to the franchise as he is close friends with a former lead and contestant and all over social media with them. And what I’ve seen makes me even less interested.

She stated that was not her boyfriend. They dated casually and he confirmed it wasn’t a relationship. He was contacted as well. Yes she brought up her divorce to Colton She also reads to me as not being over her ex. In his interview he stated she was texting him (maybe calling too) apologizing IMO for no reason. That said to me she still cared about him. He cheated on her and she’s apologizing for...being honest.. and rumors she didn’t create.

Your feelings about lack of investment in tayshia because you don’t watch the show is why they don’t usually go outside the franchise. You pull someone no one knows and why would anyone care about their journey? I tuned in because I cared about Clare and tayshia based on their previous appearances in the franchise. I have zero investment in our new bachelor finding love because he hasn’t appeared on the show. I didn’t see any “change” promotion and don’t think they added more people than normal this season. Tayshia’s season feels more like a normal season with a normal ending (and not the type we’ve had recently).

I’m confident any of the men left on this season would be an upgrade. Boggles the mind he thought this interview would help him.

According to tayshia, her ex husband was her only real relationship and it took her years to get over it. So we’re dealing with someone who hasn’t dated seriously since this one relationship that scarred her that she had to work through. I get the feeling from tayshia she hasn’t even explored a lot to know if she has a preference or what she wants in a man. And I think that’s why I’m enjoying her season. I see a woman who is gravitating toward different types of men and trying to figure out what works for her. I can’t name any two men left that I think are similar in any way. I think whom tayshia chooses will be a surprise to herself. she’s also pretty religious, according to her, but we don’t see any of that...maybe because they didn’t want another Hannah b/Luke type storyline (though I don’t think she’s anything like Hannah). But I have noticed she is less sexually aggressive than recent bachelorettes and I like that too. Way too much dry humping before week 3 in recent seasons JMO I don’t buy she fell for JPJ; I think that was a tv cameras only relationship. But she thought he was cute and interesting. He appears nothing like her ex though.

Sounded to me like she hasn’t dated much. I think she said she married her first boyfriend. Totally makes sense. Same for Arie’s season though he did find love. Weird they didn’t think Cassie was a fit for Arie but still allowed Bekah on.

I was more so referring to Tayshia’s season but Rachel has claimed many of the black men on her season did not date black women. Some were recruited like Demario. Peter K was rumored to have signed up for a previous season, not rachel’s. So yes the men knew it was Rachel before the show started but didn’t sign up for her. Bryan was an exception who was casted after Rachel was named lead. They keep men and women in mind, like cassie signed up before coltons season but they thought she was a better fit for Colton than Arie.

Spencer and Noah and maybe two more that left quickly? There weren’t that many. But they too were “clare’s men.” They didn’t make night one’s final roster but were in Clare’s batch.