MatildaMoody

Which is why it was posted in the nitpicking thread.

Not me! If I were going through a divorce whether amicable or not, the LAST people I would want advice from would be this group of bitter harpies. There is nothing they could say that would help the situation. Plus, they weren't offering advice, they were projecting their own experience onto hers and trying to badger her into fitting what their experience of divorce was. Plus, all of that judgmental pearl-clutching because she is an Atheist (seriously "moral compass")? Nope! There would be absolutely nothing helpful they could share and they definitely wouldn't be able to act as any type of support system because they are too narcissistic to see past their own experiences.

This yet another thing that makes no sense to me about Shannon. She signed a lease that specified the amount of time that she could live in that house (most of the leases I've signed have been for a year at the most with an option to renew at the owner's discretion). She knew she was going to have to uproot them to find a permanent dwelling at some point. I have to agree with Kelly, Shannon is suffering from Rich People Problems and is unable to see her life from a different perspective - probably because she is still mourning the life she had with David. She needs real therapy, no more Dr. Moon nonsense - and it probably wouldn't hurt to get some counseling for her daughters.

Somehow, I don't believe he did. In that episode where Emily saw his mother kissing the guy in the tracksuit, Richard made it a point to tell Lorelai that he was uncomfortable with his wife and mother getting along. And he was relieved when Emily came down complaining about how she knows perfectly well how to serve tea.

This is why Shannon is such a contradiction to me. It took her no time at all to warm up to Tamra and Vicki in her first season. If Heather hadn't been so childishly jealous of her immediate bond with Tamra and Vicki, Shannon would have been just as open with her. So, while she claims it takes time for her to let her guard down, we have seen plenty of evidence to the contrary in her first season on the show. Her second season is when she started acting like she was an Original and had no time for the new girl (Mehgan). And I suspect that was only because she was voted Favorite Housewife and it went to her head.

I was wondering if something went down between Tamra and Emily. I recently saw where Tamra was saying that Gina was a much better fit than Emily was and she didn't see Emily lasting very long. I can't remember if it was on WWHL or something else. But, at the time, I remember thinking, Emily must have called Tamra out on her bullshit for Tamra to say that.

I love Brian Moylan's recaps of this show, but I have to say that his most recent one really nailed Shannon. With lines like: And Ah Shannon and her constant negative thoughts, don't ever change.

Yep. Even in what were supposed to be "fun Richard" moments, like Richard in Stars Hollow, he is an overbearing jerk. Lecturing Lorelai about how she runs the Inn. Putting his 2 cents in about the car that Dean built for Rory - which should have been a bonding moment for him and Dean since Richard likes restoring old cars. And when he got called on it at the very end, he gives this sob story about how he was only invited there because Emily wanted to get rid of him. And Lorelai immediately feels guilty when she had every right to be angry with him. And the way that he let his mother talk to his wife, and the way he even encouraged it was just appalling.

I just rewatched the Bracebridge Dinner episode. It really bugged me that everyone treated Emily like she was overreacting to Richard quitting his job without telling her. I feel like she had every reason to be upset about it. Not because of the loss of income, but because that's just something you talk to your spouse about beforehand. I get it that it was a spur of the moment decision on Richard's part, but I don't understand why he wouldn't at least tell Emily immediately afterward. I think there were times when Richard's bad behavior was brushed over in favor of making Emily the bad guy. There are plenty of instances of this throughout the season, but this was one that really stood out to me.

I always thought Terry's "yes dear" attitude was a complete act for the show. He gave her the silent treatment until she agreed to do the show. He also threatened to divorce her when she was unhappy doing the show and wanted to quit. I mean they are both phonies - Heather clutching her pearls because Kelly called her the C-word only to find out that word is her favorite swear word - and that she had the dirtiest mouth of all of the women on the show at the time (and this is from Heather's own mouth in a video I saw online). But, Terry always struck me as the driving force of the way things need to be in the marriage because he was so willing to threaten divorce over a stupid reality show that his wife had no interest in appearing on.

I think another reason had to do with location. Mrs. Kim could easily see what was happening at the diner from their home.

I don't remember Lorelai lying to Mrs. Kim about the party, but I DID think her attitude during Concert Interruptus was inconsistent. When Rory tells her that Lane decided to be stupid and tell Mrs. Kim about the concert, Lorelai agreed that it was "so stupid" of her tell her mom the truth. I doubt she would want Rory lying to her about her wherabouts - especially considering it was taking place in another state.

I will bring the nachos to that table. I don't mind Gina or Emily. I think Gina's divorce storyline - while not all that intriguing - is mildly interesting. But only because it irks the other women so much. All of the divorced women stayed in marriages long past their expiration dates and gave up a good chunk of their youth in doing so. So, when they all jumped in with predictions, horror stories, and unsolicited advice to just stay in the marriage it could have gone in an interesting direction. But these women are completely devoid of interest outside their own experience, so it is playing out as Gina only really getting support from Emily while the others just kind of roll their eyes waiting for the chance to say "I told you so." But, I actually see Gina's side in this divorce situation. The divorce may be the right thing for them, but it doesn't mean that she won't second-guess the decision or mourn the fact that her marriage is actually ending. It doesn't mean that she is prepared for all of the things that are going to happen even if she assumed she was. But it also doesn't mean that her situation is like the other women's. I mean Kelly tried to escape her marriage from Michael once before but he convinced her to come back and stick it out - until she finally followed through with what she wanted. Vicki cheated on her first husband with Donn, and then Donn and Vicki both cheated on each other. Vicki's regret with Donn was simply the fact that he didn't fight her when she coldly served him with papers. I think she wanted him to beg her to give it another chance, not realizing that she had already worn him down to just accept what she gave him. With Tamra there is just way too much dysfunction to unpack between her two prior marriages. And Shannon... I think Shannon's divorce is just in a class by itself. Gina's situation actually reminds me of my BFF's and her ex-husband. They got married right out of college and about 4 years in, decided that they probably shouldn't have gotten married. Even when they knew it wasn't working it still took another year before they did anything about it - mainly because they had people telling them they should stick it out. After all they still loved each other, they just realized they were growing apart with every year they stayed married. They haven't been married to each other for something like 20 years, but they are still very close friends to this day. They even went to each other's weddings. As their friend, I was relieved that I never felt I had to choose between them and that they could be around each other without animosity. She was my maid of honor and he was one of my husband's groomsmen about 5 years after their divorce (sidenote the hubs and I celebrate our 15th anniversary tomorrow). I think that the other women forgot when they were making dire predictions that just like every marriage is different, every divorce is different. Obviously, there are similarities like constantly debating whether or not its the right decision, mourning the marriage, being surprised at the things that simply never occurred to you (like health insurance, or in Shannon's case, paying the water bill). But, how you handle those things is different. So they were expecting Gina to jump on the bitter train immediately and then decided something was fishy because it didn'ty fit their patterns. Also, I think the whole Emily and Gina vs. Shannon thing is producer interference. Shannon always hates the new person especially if she is younger than her - Mehgan, Kelly, Lydia - it's a pattern with her. She immediately decides she has nothing in common with them and therefore refuses to engage them in even basic conversation. I think the producers know that and keep pushing them to try to interact because they know Shannon will freeze them out - and for some reason the producers think that equals drama.

I never said it made any difference to the story. I said it was an odd continuity error. You have two main characters and a B-character (Lorelay, Rory, and Babbette, and I believe Morry does as well when he yells over to Babbette that Cinnamon got loose from where he was stuck) all referring to the cat as he and then 3 or 4 episodes later the cat (who is titular to the episode) is a female. It wouldn't be noticeable if they hadn't built an entire episode around the death of the cat. It's a small thing, but I thought that was the purpose of a nitpicking thread.

This isn't really a nitpick so much as a really odd continuity error. It may have been mentioned before, but why did they change Cinnamon from a male cat to a female cat? In "Kill Me Now" Babbette comes over to borrow some cooking oil because Cinnamon gets stuck under the house. Throughout the conversation, they refer to Cinnamon as he. But in later episodes, Cinnamon is she (I also believe she is called a Dame and a Broad during Cinnamon's Wake). It's an odd continuity error because it happens within a few episodes of each other. Like I get all of the continuity issues surrounding Kirk and his history with the town (Kirk going from not knowing who Miss Patty was in Cinnamon's Wake to later being one of her best dance students as a kid and being one of the kids that Luke's uncle traumatized as a kid). ASP probably didn't realize how much of a quirky character gold mine she had in Sean Gunn until after they started working with him - so she expanded his role and did some ret-conning as the episodes and seasons went on. But, I would assume that ASP had a plan in mind when mapping out that first season. She knew that she was eventually going to kill Cinnamon so why not have it be a female cat to start, or leave Cinnamon as a male cat in Cinnamon's Wake?

I think the bold part is the issue. Her son was being raised by his father on the opposite coast. Erika was working as a hostess in LA while her 3 year old was in New York with his dad.

I don't know where this opinion keeps coming from. Whitney sought Kathryn out specifically for her to be on the show. She was going to be his project where he and his mother turned her into the ultimate Stepford Southern belle. She was going to give both he and his mom a storyline. It's why she lived with him at his mother's house and everything. She simply didn't go along with the preset script.

It doesn't matter to me that it was Lydia's mom. I think that if you are going to get that over the top aggressive and ragey with anyone, let alone an elderly person, there are serious anger issues going on that need to be addressed. And when you combine that with his past domestic violence incidents, I think that Ryan is the real reason that Brianna left OC. And, I do worry for her because of it.

I think it was Ryan wanting to separate Brianna from her family and surround her with his. He knows how horribly he came off on the show and the fact that he has had some domestic violence incidents with his previous wife and an ex-girlfriend makes him a huge target of negative attention. So, ever since he had his big blowup at the elderly woman over Vicki's couch, he has been going out of his way to avoid filming and wants Brianna to do the same.

I don't understand why they do the group photos. The final product is always one where the women who were photographed separately are digitally placed in the same photo. So, what's the point of making them pose together in a group shot when they never use those photos?

I've held on to most of my opinions (you can find many of them in the "unpopular opinions" thread. So, my list is very short. TJ. I wasn't a fan of his throughout the show's original run. But, on one of my many rewatches I noticed that he wasn't all bad. He was never so rigid or set in his ways that he took any of the dismissiveness thrown at him by Lorelai, Luke, or Jess seriously. He had a good sense of humor when dealing with things that he knew nothing about and was always able to find a positive spin on things. But, I think the real reason I changed my mind about him happened when he said that Lorelai and Luke should NOT get back together. I had an "AMEN" moment there. Not because I didn't want them together, but because they were so bad at being a couple. TJ was right, there was always some kind of crazy drama happening whenever Luke and Lorelai were together. Not to say that I love TJ or anything. He and Liz's sense of entitlement when it came to Luke drove me crazy. But it always seemed like TJ was down for whatever as long as Liz was happy. One small thing. I never liked Logan during his original run or during the revival. But, he did win me over for half a second when he came to the paper to pick Rory up for their date, and the paper is melting down. When he looked at her and said, "You really do only like me for my looks" that was the only time he got a laugh out of me that wasn't one of total derision. I also really liked when he pointed out to Rory that she was also a trust fund kid.

I haven't gotten there yet. But, it still doesn't explain why Kristen didn't just go straight to Byron when she felt some type of way about him not seeing his granddaughter. It seems to me if that hurt her as much as she claimed, she or her husband would have said something to him CeCe or no CeCe. Because if I felt like my in-laws weren't making an effort to see their grandchildren, I would go straight to the source to find out what is going on. Unless they address that too and I just haven't gotten to that part. Edited: I have the reunion on pause because my connection is slow, but I have to ask about the bold part above. If Kristen told her it was a joke, why was she so adamant about CeCe confronting Jen and Ev about it? Why did she then get mad that CeCe wasn't standing up for herself about that whole thing, if she said from the beginning that it was a joke? I'm sitting here twiddling my thumbs waiting for my internet to catch up so I have to know what the reason for the shit stirring was to begin with if she made it clear it was a joke.

I don't know. For me, part of the entertainment is nitpicking the lack of continuity in the show. It's what drew me to Dawson's Wrap or whatever it was before it became TWOP. Having a place to discuss the writer's intent versus the final product or the incongruities that the show writers just assume viewers aren't smart enough to catch, heightens my enjoyment of the show.

Jennifer was awfully messy. There is no way around that. But, I feel like the finale gave Shaunie, Evelyn, and Tami a pass on their messiness. It feels like they all refuse to acknowledge just how awful they were to Jennifer in her last season of Miami. The things that Shaunie said that Jennifer said were the kind of things that someone would say about someone who had a falling out with a friend. Jennifer saying that Shaniece was writing out the checks for the bills because her mom was out running the streets, just sounds like the true life of a kid who grew up with a teenage mom. There is nothing terrible about that because it is simply what happens. The stuff that Jennifer told Malaysia is completely different. She had no business talking about Shaniece and whether or not she was having underage sex, she certainly had no business calling someone she's known since she was 6 a build-a-whore. Especially, with the intent that it would somehow make it on the show. That is beyond the line. No matter what kind of falling out she and Evelyn had, Shaniece should have been off limits. But the thing is how all of this came out. Jennifer talking shit about Evelyn as a parent makes sense. And even if Jennifer had the intention of having Evelyn's parenting brought out on the show, it would be petty, but again consider that Evelyn and Shaunie brought a non-cast member onto the show to physically attack Jennifer since they knew there would be legal ramifications if Evelyn had done so. That is a lowdown and planned assault. So, I could see how that would burn Jen up to the point that she would want to hurt Evelyn. But, once they made up and said everything they said about each other was in the past, Tami should have kept her mouth shut. I'm about to dive into the reunion, but before that one thing has been bugging me about Kristen's bid for relevance by throwing CeCe under the bus: She said that they live just down the street from Byron and CeCe and they've never been over to see her daughter. If that is the case, why hasn't Kristen or Byron's son ever taken her to see them? Since Byron is related to their daughter by blood, why have never gone directly to him to say "what's up?" why is it up to CeCe to answer for something like that and not Byron? Kristen just seems like a shady opportunist to me.

Well, it IS Shannon. She got into regular arguments and physical altercations with her exercise bike. It's in entirely possible that she just didn't know how to adjust the height of the scooter.