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I'm super curious whether Truely is spending Christmas with Kody, since she obviously spent Thanksgiving in Utah. And since there are now photos of Kody and Robyn unmasked in a mall, doesn't that mean that they should be all clear to spend Christmas with Truely and Janelle and all Janelle's kids? I guess we will see what the photos show. Typical divorced parent custody arrangement for parents living in different states is to switch off holidays. Hopefully Kody hasn't completely forgotten Truely, and hopefully Christine will allow a visit if one is offered.

No, I don't get the feeling that it bothers Janelle much at all. I think Janelle has simple needs and is happy to have a husband around as a handyman on occasion, with no romantic relationship. But I'm betting the disparity bugs the hell out of Gabe and several of her other kids. They seem to have more outrage about the situation than Janelle. I still think Janelle will eventually move to North Carolina to be near Maddy and the grandkids.

Didn't want to spoil things for anyone who doesn't want to know the drama ahead of time, so I put my comment in Spoiler text above.

I watched the episode. So Kody missed Evie's amputation surgery, in addition to missing Ysabel's spine surgery. And he missed Evie's first birthday. And he didn't hang out with Meri, Mariah, and Audrey at the bed and breakfast. Kody is only interested in his kids with his latest wife. It's so obvious and just like some divorced parents who remarry and make a new family. I don't know why the 3 non-wives carry on this charade. That muddy ditch looked big enough to build multiple houses around it, and I'm Team Janelle over Team Meri any day. I don't think the new ditch was about to cave in around Solomon, but Kody definitely forced him down into it in some sort of macho bullshit "make my son into a man" move. Did Meri say she was "feeling" a wall or "throwing" a wall?? And did that basement in Lehi that Christine had to live in have no windows?

Meri's shirt pretty much communicates the truth about her attitude. There were ways to work out the house hallway problem, but she didn't want to. And Janelle knows it. It's why Meri has no relationship with Janelle and Christine's kids, and no grandma name. She and Janelle only had this conversation for filming. In real life, I think Meri does the occasional drive-by past Robyn's house, and nothing else. What's sad is that Meri thinks she's got one up on all of us, when in reality everyone knows the truth and her pretense is just pathetic.

While I agree with and respect what people are saying about mental health during the pandemic, I don't believe for one second that either Christine or Janelle ignored Covid rules for mental health reasons. Christine ignored Covid because she wanted to travel and stick it to Kody, and she decided she was going to do what she wanted. Announcing her "two week vacation" pre-surgery was a total FU to Kody and Robyn, not an act of compassion because she was worried about her daughters or their mental health. Janelle ignored Covid because Janelle is lazy and passive as hell and has no say over what her kids are doing. Janelle wants to let her kids wander on by while she drinks Plexus and works on her greenhouses.

I watched the rest of the episode. I didn't take the "bitter house wife" comment as harshly as some others on here seem to. I felt like Kody was trying to make sure Ysabel wasn't angry with him. And Ysabel was right to be angry, but I also felt like Christine was contributing to the problem. She's pissed off and it's coloring everything, and she was traveling all over during Covid, which is a dick move for so many reasons. I kept wondering what Christine was saying to her kids about their father when the cameras weren't on. And Christine definitely said "two week vacation" before the surgery. Kody needs to work on developing a relationship with his kids separate from their mothers. But I doubt he will.

I work at a technology company, and most of what I know was self taught or taught to me by coworkers while working on projects. It's very common. Have any of Anna's parents or siblings attended the trial to sit next to her? It seems to be mostly Duggars going and sitting next to Anna, presumably to provide support. I'm curious what her parents and siblings think of all this.

If Kody changed his behavior towards his kids after Robyn showed up, that is on Kody, not Robyn. They are Kody's children. If Kody chooses to neglect one of his children, people shouldn't be blaming Robyn. All too often we blame the other woman when a man cheats or dumps his original kids. Kody is the asshole here. Kody chose not to hug Ysabel before she left for surgery. I also noticed that Kody didn't seem all that excited for Mykelti's pregnancy. He seemed very detached from it all. Which made Robyn's daughters' over the top reactions all the more bizarre. And Christine kept getting pregnant long after it was clear that she would not only be raising her kids mostly by herself, but she'd be raising Janelle's kids too. While her own husband refused to shower in her bathroom. And Meri having no grandma nickname is so very telling. Didn't Maddie help her with LulaRoe for a while? I wonder what the final fallout was. Meri appears to have no bond at all with any of Christine or Janelle's kids.

Kody is an asshole. And a shit father. That is undisputed. However, Christine signed up for a situation where she was getting 1/3 of a husband for herself and 1/3 of a father for her eventual offspring. Christine volunteered for that. But now she wants to be pissed when Kody says he has other kids and other wives to consider. Christine proceeded to have 6 kids with a guy in a marriage I'm convinced had issues pretty early on. Certainly she knew there were issues before she got pregnant with Truely. But Christine kept going, popping out kid after kid. Meanwhile, by her own admission, she felt like a Basement Wife. So I get what you are all saying, but Christine bears some responsibility here. And I think Christine would be happy as a clam if she was still the newest and youngest wife and Kody was doing this crap to one of the others. Just saying'. Also, Christine's Covid behavior sucks.

I think at least two of the sons are essential workers and had no choice but to go in to work. And even if Janelle and Christine quarantined and never went anywhere, would Kody show up more than once a week to visit? In a previous season, Christine complained that her kids would go up to a week without seeing Kody even once. And this was well before the pandemic. Christine and Janelle should have been more careful, but not because of Kody. They should have worried more about themselves, their kids, and public health. But the reality of their family is that Kody would have barely shown up to visit anyway, and I suspect Robyn would have found reasons to keep her kids isolated from Janelle and Christine no matter how much they quarantined. The real problem is that the family dynamic is toxic, and that was true before Covid. Kody was hinting that he might be done with polygamy before Covid hit. I think the reality of 4 wives and 18 kids just became too much for Kody to handle, and he found Covid as a convenient excuse to stop making rounds at 4 different houses.

I still wear a mask in most indoor public places. In the past 2 months, I have seen countless obviously sick people at the grocery store, pharmacy, etc, with no mask. Coughing and hacking from God knows what. And I have compromised family members. Christine really gives off the attitude that she doesn't care about Covid. Janelle pretends to care but doesn't follow the CDC rules as she claims. I think she just wanted Gabe out of her hair and knew she had a convenient apartment attached to the house to put him in.

By her own admission on Instagram and on this episode, Christine traveled a lot during the pandemic, and also hung out at Janelle's house without social distancing after Janelle traveled. Christine didn't give a shit, not only about Kody, but about spreading the virus to other people. As for this group, I always said there was nothing that bound the adults together once the kids were gone. Meri has no relationship with Christine or Janelle, and Christine and Janelle have no relationship with Robyn or Meri. Add in most of the adult kids leaving Flagstaff, and there is no reason for them to stay together. Janelle stays put because she is lazy and comfortable with her situation, but I wouldn't be surprised if she eventually moves to North Carolina. Meri has her whole own life going between Flagstaff and Perowan, with her own business and her own friends. They're already living completely separate lives. They're more estranged sisters than they are Sister Wives.

Gabe is a student. He's not keeping shit running any more than his father is. Some of the other boys were working in the military. Gabe was going to class and hanging out with his girlfriend. He seemed to be getting a lot of his Covid attitude from Janelle and Christine. And Janelle was pretty much lying about following CDC guidelines if she was really hanging out with Christine inside with no mask after Christine traveled. Hunter and Gabe were helping to dig the fire pits. I think some of the other kids were helping too.

I finished watching the episode, and while I am no Robyn fan at all, I feel the need to point a few things out in regards to the whole "chasing kids" thing: Robyn is in a different stage of life than the other women. She has a 4 year old. She can't sit her ass in a chair by the fire pit and just let the world wander by her because she has a 4 year old. It was her choice to continue having kids, but her complaint that this BBQ is not relaxing for her is valid. I have no kids, and my sister does, and our family vacations looked very different when my niece and nephew were little. Kody made no effort to help her with Ariella or Solomon, and I think Robyn knew that would happen in advance. Kody was off shoving S'mores in his mouth instead of helping parent. Which is nothing new, but adds to why Robyn didn't want to have fire pits around her little kids. I used to like Christine, but she was an asshole at the BBQ, never getting up at all when Truely wasn't social distancing. It is quite obvious that Christine thinks Covid is a joke, which makes me really angry. Of all of them, she is the one who was travelling the most and ignoring any danger. And I think she enjoyed sticking it to Robyn at the BBQ by not helping, when her anger should really be directed at Kody. Ignoring Covid as a way to get back at your husband is juvenile and proves that Christine is just like the rest of them, selfish and toxic.

Everyone keeps talking about them "going" somewhere. Kody doesn't even live with Meri. We're talking about blocking his cell phone number and possibly changing the password on her online banking account. That's about as much of a relationship as Meri and Kody have. It would be harder for me to separate from my cat. The only connection Meri has to Kody now other than Mariah is completely emotional on Meri's side.

I agree with what you are saying about Covid completely, but I don't blame Gabe. Gabe's attitude problem is a product of his passive mother, absent father, and overall toxic family dynamic. Kody sits on his pedestal and gets all annoyed, but makes no attempt to be in Gabe's life and really parent him. Instead, he sits in judgement of Janelle, who probably didn't even really raise Gabe herself (Christine appears to have done most of the parenting of Janelle's oldest kids). Most of Janelle and Christine's travel during the pandemic was irresponsible (except for Ysabel's surgery, which was needed), but they're too selfish and caught up in sticking it to Kody to realize that. Kody is doing what a lot of parents do when they move on to a new marriage: he's neglecting his original kids and blaming the other parent when they don't behave. A lot of kids act out when they are abandoned by a parent, and Kody has all but abandoned Gabe and his siblings. Gabe is also old enough to remember both the Las Vegas move and the Flagstaff move, and is probably still pissed off about both, since both times the moves were completely unnecessary. As was stated above, the other boys besides Gabe are in the military and have to go to work. Staying home isn't an option. But Kody and Robyn don't understand that because they've never been an essential anything in their whole lazy-ass lives. On a positive note, I'm impressed by how many Brown kids are either serving their country, finished college, or are otherwise independent. Given their lazy grifting parents, it's a miracle.

I think Christine announced the split when TLC said she could, timed to come out right before the season started. I bet her post was professionally written too. Knowing about what's coming attracts a lot more viewers.

If these idiots got their kids some health insurance instead of buying the stupid Prairie Land, Ysabel would have had her surgery before the pandemic. And that is on Christine too. But wet bars and libraries and huge homes were more important than health care for the kids.

I guess we can surmise from the Instagram photos that Kody spent Thanksgiving with Robyn and her family for the second year in a row. I'm also guessing that perhaps Meri was with them, since she was careful to post no Thanksgiving photos of her own. The only difference between Janelle and Christine is that Christine finally worked up the nerve to admit she's not married. Janelle is still pretending. I can't really fathom why she bothers with the pretense while at the same time posting photos that make it obvious that she spends no time at all with her so-called spiritual husband. I feel bad for Truely and Savannah, but I'm glad they see each other and some of their other siblings.

I just want to know if she is spending Thanksgiving with Kody and Robyn this year, or if they are all still separated. They are all eligible for vaccination now (except maybe Ariella??), so it should be interesting.

Kody is spending the majority of his time with his two youngest kids by his youngest wife, and 3 kids that aren't biologically his children and who he only adopted a few years ago. I wonder how his other kids feel about that. The difference between the amount of Dad time Solomon and Ariella get and the amount of time Truely gets is heartbreaking. It was comical how they tried to make it look like Kody doesn't live at Robyn's most of the time when he was pulling in to "visit" with her. Also, was that large parking lot part of Robyn's driveway? And, at one point Kody was talking about sub-dividing the lots. Is Robyn planning for her kids to live right next to her as adults?? Are they never leaving? As either Janelle or Christine pointed out, none of the other kids are interested in living in Flagstaff. Mady just bought a house in North Carolina, and most of Christine's kids are in Utah. Mariah is in Utah as well.

I remember last season how one of the sons had to work because he is National Guard, and Kody never acknowledged on camera that working wasn't a choice in that situation. I feel like Janelle plays both sides though. You never hear her stand up to Kody about the kids.

I loved Christine's insightful comment that while she appreciates Merii's support, she doesn't want Meri's bullshit nonmarriage. Does anyone really think Hunter would be welcome in Robin's backyard? Janelle's sons have serious hostility towards Kody. Janelle kisses Kody's ass, then says she's going to do what she wants. It is a bizarre relationship. And do they really think we don't know that Kody is mostly living at Robin's house? Meri is pathetic.

On Instagram, Meri comes across as a perfectly happy divorced empty nester living her best life. She gives off a different vibe on the show. Personally, I think the Instagram is closer to the truth, and she plays up the drama for the show. Also, she just loves drama in general.