S01.E09: What Was Hope Doing in Your Dreams?

[ElectricBoogaloo]

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During a stressful week of exams, Hope, Rafael, Landon, and MG's attempts to study get thwarted by the arrival of a new monster who feeds off their worst fears. Meanwhile, Hope struggles with a secret she's been keeping from Landon.

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Original air date: 1/31/19

[Gwen-Stacys]

Ok I tried, I still can't ship Landon and Hope. They literally do nothing for me. While Hope and Raf do. They truly did the Handon couple a disservice by having him MIA while Hope and Raf bonded over his absence. She literally confides in her boyfriend's brother more than she does her boyfriend. And she looked genuinely hurt that he doesn't want to be her lone confidant anymore. It's weird.

Not feeling the slow mo walks either. 

Still love the show and so excited to see where it goes for season 2!

[Chris24601]

I agree the chemistry just isn’t there with Hope and Landon and Hope and Raph having better chemistry, but at the same time Landon’s had such a crappy life that I hope they just break up and remain friends as opposed to say, him throwing himself into Malivore to save everyone and being forgotten.

I think my favorite part was “I hid the thing the monster was looking for under my pillow” simply because that probably WOULD be the last place anyone would actually look when it’s someone like Hope who’s hiding it.

My other observation is that this show would probably make a LOT more sense if they’d just pushed the timeline another year or so in the future so Hope would be 18-19 and working as junior faculty (or a teaching assistant) instead of being a student. Then all her hanging out with Alaric, solving problems for the adults and being all aloof from the students would be perfectly in line with her position.

Sure, she couldn’t be macking on the students, but given the absence of chemistry with Landon I don’t know that it would be much of a downgrade. Frankly, I think the Landon character would have been more interesting if he were 12-ish and Hope looked at him more like a kid brother than a love interest.

As it stands, I hope the timeline is more one year per season (the final exams for the term give me hope) instead of just half a year like it was for the first six seasons or so of Vampire Diaries, because at 17 Hope is hopefully a senior now and they could drop the student pretense quicker that way.

[Minneapple]

Just when I think there is a God, or at least TV writers with an original idea, television proves me wrong by setting up a Landon/Hope/Rafael love triangle.  Oh, and let’s add that both Josie and Lizzie have crushed on Raf, and Lizzie already had sex with him. 

Anyway this episode was fairly boring. Dream demon is kind of been there done that by every supernatural show in existence. I did like the three guys goofing off with the music in the end.

[ElectricBoogaloo]

I had to laugh when Alaric said that he had lined up more shuttles for evacuation and that they would be running all afternoon. First of all, as much as they want us to believe that the Salvatore School is big enough to field a football team, from what we've seen at the school assemblies, there are maybe 100 students in the upper grades and 20-30 of the little kids. That means they could fit everyone in the entire school in one or two regular school buses. Secondly, they're just sending the students across town to the Lockwood mansion which is probably ten minutes away at most. They could have made one or two trips and been done with it. There was no reason to have shuttles running all afternoon.

I know we're supposed to believe that Hope is a badass, but when she took a flying leap at the monster, broke an arrow in half, and jammed each half into the monster's eyes, I was like ugh, give me a break. I don't care how many superpowers she supposedly has. You're no Buffy, Hope.

I guess at least Hope didn't try to hide the urn in the bathroom with the soap, DAMON.

I'm not a Landon/Hope shipper but it still made me sad to see Landon chasing after her like a puppy dog for the entire episode. I know TVD was centered around a love triangle and the show is about teenagers so I should expect relationship drama, but I am so much more interested in seeing the different friendships develop. I mean, the best scene was Kaleb rapping while Landon played the guitar and MG beatboxed.

[ElectricBoogaloo]

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[UNOSEZ]

I was wondering how the show planned to address the heat that came of of Raf and Hope.. While constantly shoving Hope and Landon as this amazing love story (that feels completely unearned)... So Raf deciding to get some space makes some sense... Those now that may cause Hope to feel some kinda way... We'll have to see... I did like seeing everyones dreamscapes... Nice glimpse into kaleb.. Who's growing on me.. Still feels so weird to see 3 whole black teens on a cw show.. Especially in the TVD universe... Looking forward to next week. 

[Gwen-Stacys]

9 hours ago, Minneapple said:

Just when I think there is a God, or at least TV writers with an original idea, television proves me wrong by setting up a Landon/Hope/Rafael love triangle.  Oh, and let’s add that both Josie and Lizzie have crushed on Raf, and Lizzie already had sex with him. 

Anyway this episode was fairly boring. Dream demon is kind of been there done that by every supernatural show in existence. I did like the three guys goofing off with the music in the end.

To be fair, Rafael very firmly cut himself off from Hope at the end of this episode (similar to what he did with Lizzie at he birthday party), so if this develops into an actual triangle, it'll be because Hope actively pursues him. He's like the anti-Damon. He sincerely believes that his brother's girlfriend is off limits.

3 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

I guess at least Hope didn't try to hide the urn in the bathroom with the soap, DAMON.

HAHAHA I had the same thought.

[Chris24601]

3 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

I know we're supposed to believe that Hope is a badass, but when she took a flying leap at the monster, broke an arrow in half, and jammed each half into the monster's eyes, I was like ugh, give me a break. I don't care how many superpowers she supposedly has. You're no Buffy, Hope.

Except she kinda IS the Buffy of this universe. Heck, she’s Buffy with Willow’s magic on top.

She’s got evolved werewolf strength and speed (equal to a hybrid thanks to that sacred marriage pact involving her mom), heals extremely rapidly thanks to her self-generating vampire blood.

The Slayer was the result of ancient magics binding a demon to a line of girls; Hope is descended from a line of the most powerful witches in history (whose firstborns are particularly potent) whose paternal grandmother CREATED vampires AND from the family line of the witch who created the werewolf curse.

And I’m pretty sure the reason she’s immune to Malivore’s memory wiping is probably because her bloodline actually created the place (my money would be on Dahlia and/or Esther given the timeline of monsters starting to vanish from everyone’s memories around a thousand years ago... putting it roughly in line with the time that Esther created the Originals to protect them from the supernatural).

[Diapason Untuned]

8 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

I had to laugh when Alaric said that he had lined up more shuttles for evacuation and that they would be running all afternoon. First of all, as much as they want us to believe that the Salvatore School is big enough to field a football team, from what we've seen at the school assemblies, there are maybe 100 students in the upper grades and 20-30 of the little kids. That means they could fit everyone in the entire school in one or two regular school buses. Secondly, they're just sending the students across town to the Lockwood mansion which is probably ten minutes away at most. They could have made one or two trips and been done with it. There was no reason to have shuttles running all afternoon.

To be fair, we don't know there were actual buses taking the kids, could have been minivans or something.

 

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I know we're supposed to believe that Hope is a badass, but when she took a flying leap at the monster, broke an arrow in half, and jammed each half into the monster's eyes, I was like ugh, give me a break. I don't care how many superpowers she supposedly has. You're no Buffy, Hope.

Except she is the Buffy of this universe.

 

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I am so much more interested in seeing the different friendships develop. I mean, the best scene was Kaleb rapping while Landon played the guitar and MG beatboxed.

That scene was very nice indeed. I hope the show continues to build on this.

[ketose]

I have no problem with Hope and Landon. However, the show seems to be too cast heavy to be the Hope show that it is becoming. Lizzie and Josie went away and Landon was gone for a few weeks. I'm still waiting for Landon to have a power or something since human characters aren't long for the VD universe.

[Chris24601]

I'm not surprised that it's the Hope show (well, Hope and Alaric show) largely because of the show's title; Raf, Landon, MG and Kaleb don't really fall under the heading of "Legacies."

Which means the best hope of keeping it from being "the Hope show" is to get more focus on the other two legacies who've been off with their mother (hopefully this means that whatever lead Caroline was pursuing petered out so she'll actually be turning up in Mystic Falls at some point in the future... because putting some focus on Alaric and Caroline's weird family dynamic for a while would be a good way to draw the attention away from Hope.

[AngelKitty]

11 hours ago, Chris24601 said:

I'm not surprised that it's the Hope show

Me either. In fact, that's what I expected. I love Hope and have since she was a little girl. And I hate to admit this, but I love the slow walk. I know!? It's so cheesy, but I love it just the same.

[UNOSEZ]

I kinda assumed that a few of the other characters would have some pretty strong lineages... And that can still pan out.. We have no idea who turned MG or Kaleb... And Raf is a foster kid so he could have powerful bloodlines... And there is already the mystery with Landon the lost puppy... But so far its been Mikaelson city.. With just a teeny bit of Gemini coven on the side... I for one hope that changes a bit... But overall I'm really enjoying most of the show

[Check Sanity]

On 2/2/2019 at 2:01 PM, ketose said:

 I'm still waiting for Landon to have a power or something since human characters aren't long for the VD universe.

 

Except for Alaric and Matt. Also, having powers don't actually mean a character will live, there have been just as many supernatural characters that have died in the VD universe, if not more since there were more characters* with powers on all the shows then there were humans (*as in characters that we got to know). 

I don't think I'll mind either way if he has powers or not. Though it'd be cool if he becomes more like Alaric, in that he knows about supernatural things and protects them in his own way. It would make sense too because they're the ones who finally have adopted him and protected him. 

What I'm confused about is Hope's insistence that Landon's mom is dead. She's in Malivore again, she was there before and came back, she could possibly come back. Also, her protecting Landon from feeling the pain of losing a mother (who he doesn't know or now remember) is not going to at all feel like the kind of loss she experienced when losing her parents. It would suck to know he likely won't see her (again) but you don't really miss what you never knew. 

Edited February 3, 2019 by Check Sanity

[beeemkcl]

* We saw the shuttles. They weren't using full-size school buses. Alaric essentially wanted to make sure that a student could leave pretty much whenever he or she wanted, rather than needing to decide 'at-once'.

* The Hope/Landon thing didn't make sense in The Originals. It makes even less sense in Legacies. Hope is the most powerful, very likely richest, is one of the smartest, and one is the best-looking students at The Salvatore School. Even Lizzie Saltzman is envious and jealous of Hope and has always wanted to be Hope's friend.

Why would Hope 'go for' someone like Landon?

Landon is mostly very annoying up till now, yet Hope is somehow 'hot' for him?

* The Hope/Raf thing makes at least somewhat sense because she doesn't seem to show interest until after Raf becomes the 'Alpha' of the werewolves at the school.

[Scarlett45]

On 3/27/2019 at 9:29 AM, beeemkcl said:

The Hope/Landon thing didn't make sense in The Originals. It makes even less sense in Legacies. Hope is the most powerful, very likely richest, is one of the smartest, and one is the best-looking students at The Salvatore School. Even Lizzie Saltzman is envious and jealous of Hope and has always wanted to be Hope's friend.

I’m watching the series for the first time on Netflix (hi everyone!!!) and I agree with you. Not that I don’t think Landon (and the actor that plays him) is attractive (he needs a better haircut), however he’s no Rafe (that guy is fine!, as is the actor who plays MG, once he out grows his baby face he will be smoking) but Hope (and the actress that plays her) is exceptionally beautiful in a classic god given way (her features are so nice), and I like that she’s “thick” by white Hollywood standards. Why is Hope so into Landon? Does she have a Capt save a bro complex? I’ll report back once I finish the season. 

[UNOSEZ]

4 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

Does she have a Capt save a bro complex?

That's one of the better options I've seen... I still say Landon has a secret ability to make some strong ppl care for him greatly.. Because Raf also seems super into caring for Landon 

[ElectricBoogaloo]

3 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

Hope (and the actress that plays her) is exceptionally beautiful in a classic god given way (her features are so nice), and I like that she’s “thick” by white Hollywood standards.

I agree. She has a very classic look and I love that she isn't waifishly thin. It's nice to see someone who isn't the regulation size 00 that's normally seen on tv.

As for why she likes Landon, I think it's really as simple as the fact that he was nice to her. Did you watch the final season of The Originals? That's when they met. At the time, she was still very prickly but he was clearly into her and honestly, at that age, sometimes that's all it takes.

I think it helped that he wasn't from the Salvatore School. Hope is a bit paranoid (heh, she probably inherited that gene from Klaus) so she thinks that everyone at school thinks she's a freak (even though most of them probably don't care that she's a tri-brid). Landon just knew her as a girl at the cafe and I think it was appealing to her that he didn't know her family history/baggage when he started flirting with her.

[Scarlett45]

3 minutes ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

As for why she likes Landon, I think it's really as simple as the fact that he was nice to her. Did you watch the final season of The Originals? That's when they met. At the time, she was still very prickly but he was clearly into her and honestly, at that age, sometimes that's all it takes.

Yup yup I did watch. That makes a lot of sense. Landon is cute (his eyes are very soulful), that combined with her not knowing who she would would be very appealing. Didn’t Landon think she was a witch in that scene though? (Where they first start flirting) I distinctly remember him writing in a journal “I think she’s a witch”. 

3 hours ago, UNOSEZ said:

That's one of the better options I've seen... I still say Landon has a secret ability to make some strong ppl care for him greatly.. Because Raf also seems super into caring for Landon 

With Rafe it makes sense with them both coming from the foster home situation, I can see Rafe identifying with him. Rafe as an untriggered werewolf probably felt the need to have a “pack”, he wasn’t going to get that from a bio family, but he would find value in someone being loyal to him. 

[ElectricBoogaloo]

I think even without Raf being a werewolf, he and Landon went through so much together in foster care that they each know the other person was the only one they could trust and rely on. I buy Raf's love and loyalty for Landon because it's based on years of being victims together. Sadly, that's true of people who are abused together. Sometimes shared trauma makes you bond.

I'm glad that they both got out of their shitty foster care situation and that they're together at school (heh, although you could really make an argument that they're not much safer at the Salvatore School than they were when they were being abused by their foster parents).

[ursula]

12 hours ago, UNOSEZ said:

That's one of the better options I've seen... I still say Landon has a secret ability to make some strong ppl care for him greatly.. Because Raf also seems super into caring for Landon 

I love this theory and I won't mind if it were true.

However I think Hope liked Landon for the stated reasons - he was a cute boy that was nice to her. He was apart from her supernatural world yet still accessible and that made him appealing to her especially since her last crush was a gorgeous vampire that betrayed her and got her mom killed. Landon introduced "normalcy" to Hope's life at a time she really needed it. That he was a "damsel" in need of rescuing was just the cherry on top. Hope has a Harry-Potter-sized savior complex.

The more I think about it, the more I think the show dropped the ball in not keeping him human. I don't think it's surprising that they made him a doppelganger-esque creature - he's a supernatural target without any tangible powers. (Resurrection isn't exactly an offensive weapon).

12 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

Does she have a Capt save a bro complex?

Yep.

Tl dr... Hope likes Landon because he's the Elena to her idealized Stefan Salvatore.