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Bonnie Bartlett (Grace) loved working on the show. I wonder why she didn’t return for Grace’s final appearance in 1982? She also mentions how much she loved Melissa Gilbert but how they became “adversaries” when she grew up. I believe it was political, as Bartlett’s husband Williams Daniels and Gilbert served successively as presidents of the Screen Actor’s Guild union.

Television Academy interview with Bonnie Bartlett

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15 hours ago, Pirpana said:

^Well, stupid if that's really the reason because, as we know, the character did have lines in the final version.

  Miss Bartlett claimed in her Television Academy Interview that they weren't going to her any lines and have her work for just one day as Grace for her final appearance and she refused.

Perhaps, that's what they originally pitched to her but after she declined, they found someone else (Corrine Comacho)  so, perhaps they decided to give Grace Edwards lines for this one-shot performer but. for whatever reasons, hadn't been willing to do so for Miss Bartlett.

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On 6/6/2021 at 7:52 PM, debraran said:

I like the messages he sent but it wasn't really realistic.  I still think Todd Bridges show was the closest and a great episode.

I still remember Solomon's question to Charles about whether he would rather be white and live to be 50 or black and live to be 100. And Charles had no answer. It might have been the first time and only time he was rendered speechless.

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I’m interpreting Bonnie Bartlett’s words to mean that she wouldn’t have any significant lines. And Grace didn’t in that episode. And I’m sure the Grace scene was shot in one day. It wasn’t much of a part for someone who was a former series regular.

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13 minutes ago, CountryGirl said:

I still remember Solomon's question to Charles about whether he would rather be white and live to be 50 or black and live to be 100. And Charles had no answer. It might have been the first time and only time he was rendered speechless.

I thought so too.  I’ve used that phrase numerous times in the past with bigoted people who thought “ they have it good” or just as a general question and in all honesty have never ever gotten an answer either.  It was well scripted. 

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5 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

I still remember Solomon's question to Charles about whether he would rather be white and live to be 50 or black and live to be 100. And Charles had no answer. It might have been the first time and only time he was rendered speechless.

 

 

I find "The Angry Heart" hard to watch. When he pushed the grandpa down, just really tough to watch.

 

Good episode but very dark

 

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16 hours ago, jason88cubs said:

 

 

I find "The Angry Heart" hard to watch. When he pushed the grandpa down, just really tough to watch.

 

Good episode but very dark

 

I agree- to say nothing of his frail, elderly grandparents being downright scared of their own grandchild!   That was downright disturbing . Also, one couldn't help but wonder HOW Todd's poor mother Edna had been able to get him OUT of their Chicago abode to Walnut Grove- especially since he openly expressed nothing but contempt for her referring to her by her given name to his grandparents (her parents)  instead of 'Ma','Mama', 'Mom', 'Mother',etc.

The grandparents were significant because they were among the rare folks that Nellie actually sincerely praised despite them not being in a position to do anything for her personally.   Thankfully, Todd somewhat soured his own first impression with her or else HE may have wound up marrying her and automatically being the sole proprietor of Nellie's Hotel and Restaurant (and terrorized Nellie and even Harriet- which even THEY would not have deserved). 

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The Angry Heart and The Werewolf of Walnut Grove are two back-to-back episodes I can skip. Both kind of mean spirited. One (two) of the reasons I prefer Season 7 to Season 6. 

On another note, I did recently enjoy Season 6 episode "Whatever Happened to the Class of '56?" Strange episode with characters we never heard of before or since, but well acted. 

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1 hour ago, Superclam said:

The Angry Heart and The Werewolf of Walnut Grove are two back-to-back episodes I can skip. Both kind of mean spirited. One (two) of the reasons I prefer Season 7 to Season 6. 

On another note, I did recently enjoy Season 6 episode "Whatever Happened to the Class of '56?" Strange episode with characters we never heard of before or since, but well acted. 

The only problem with the 'Whatever Happened to the Class of '56' episode is that not only were there very few high schools in existence in 1856 but,during the supposed timeline of the mid 1880's , high school reunions were very rare if not unheard of (and only a few very hoity toity colleges and universities were doing those at that point). 

I think it would have worked better had it been done as (of all things) Big Chill deal- with them getting together with other folks from their former school after one of their classmates' death. No doubt Charles and Caroline weren't the only pioneer farmers from their former school who had had to contend with plagues, crossing flooded rivers in wagons, childbirths, wolf attacks,etc.

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5 hours ago, Kyle said:

Seriously. The Ingalls family is dirt poor, and it takes forever to go anywhere. Yet they’re flouncing off to Wisconsin (?) for a class reunion?

Not to mention when they left the Little House in the Big Woods in Wisconsin, they supposedly resigned themselves at the virtual certainty that they'd never seen Pa's parents again (yeah, the show sure veered off that part of the reality).  So if they could jaunt off to Wisconsin  for a  class reunion, why didn't they consider stopping by to see Grandpa Ingalls (who, as per the Christmas Reunion flashback show was STILL living at the time)?

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1 hour ago, Blergh said:

Not to mention when they left the Little House in the Big Woods in Wisconsin, they supposedly resigned themselves at the virtual certainty that they'd never seen Pa's parents again (yeah, the show sure veered off that part of the reality).  So if they could jaunt off to Wisconsin  for a  class reunion, why didn't they consider stopping by to see Grandpa Ingalls (who, as per the Christmas Reunion flashback show was STILL living at the time)?

That's why I never understood the "Fake death" episode. It wasn't cute to me to fake a death. Children were told that and grandchildren, you don't mess with people like that and any minister or priest wouldn't do it worth his salt. Many pioneers didn't see family and Charles didn't see his parents often or Caroline and siblings? Most people didn't have money to travel and I just saw other ways to make the show more believable. Even saying she was very ill was better than dead. It wasn't like anyone on the show saw family really so being shocked her kids were so inconsiderate was over the top. I expected Charles or Caroline to say how they rarely hear from family but it wasn't scripted that way. They weren't nice kids but a priest writing them about how forlourn mom was would have worked too.

I liked seeing the "wake" because it seemed background characters were almost doing an adlib with dialogue and it was nice seeing everyone in one room. The plot, a bit much.

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The other weird thing about the fake death episode - it’s only the sixth episode of the entire series. The Ingalls just got to town! Had they really run out of ideas for Ingalls-centric episodes already? I guess in the Landonverse, it’s never too early to start doing bizarre episodes that don’t really fit in with the rest of the series.

My theory is that it was a leftover Bonanza script from when that show was cancelled midseason the year before.

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I know it's a show and all that and continuity wasn't important back then, but I always get a kick that the first episode of season 2 was the Ingalls being dirt poor, owing a huge tab at Oelson's then 2 episodes later Walnut Grove is getting a bank and Charles is trying to get a loan

 

Great episodes though but just kinda funny in a way

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30 minutes ago, Kyle said:

The other weird thing about the fake death episode - it’s only the sixth episode of the entire series. The Ingalls just got to town! Had they really run out of ideas for Ingalls-centric episodes already? I guess in the Landonverse, it’s never too early to start doing bizarre episodes that don’t really fit in with the rest of the series.

My theory is that it was a leftover Bonanza script from when that show was cancelled midseason the year before.

True, not to mention, it seemed unusual in that time and place  that the Ingallses (especially Ma) would have befriended an elderly 'Papist'. I guess they didn't want the show to get bogged in just how bigoted many  pioneers could be but, back then, just as Protestants weren't as accepting to Jewish folks (which the show depicted) or Native American religions, Protestants and Catholics often were just barely 'cordial when necessary' to each other- if not openly hostile towards each due solely due to their differing faiths in the mid 19th century Midwest.  I mean, at most, I could imagine the Ingalls parents feeling sorry for Mrs. Hearn from  a distance but NOT actually being near besties with her  (for her one episode, natch) much less helping her orchestrate her 'premature demise'. And where would she have found an English-speaking priest so easily in rural Minnesota? There weren't huge numbers of Irish Catholics living there at that point and the few Catholics would have been from the French-Canadian settlers that had managed to venture south of International Falls (with most of them speaking French as a first if not only language) . 

Of course, as @debraran mentioned, traveling wasn't something that was easy or cheap for folks back then so I agree that it seemed a bit much that Mrs. Hearn would have expected her prodigal grown kids to instantly drop everything to visit her and dis them for not having done so after her 'death'. IMO, the only one that truly deserved to have been eviscerated was the son who had somehow faked his own death for fifteen years( of course, he had no leg to stand on dissing her for doing the same thing). But then, the question arises as to WHY he would have done that? Could it possibly have been that she (and/or the rest of the family) may not have been as warm, supportive and positive as they'd have wanted the neighbors to believe? Yes, that question would have been interesting to explore but they totally just swept that under the carpet with the 'bad son faked his death. The end'. deal.

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7 hours ago, Blergh said:

True, not to mention, it seemed unusual in that time and place  that the Ingallses (especially Ma) would have befriended an elderly 'Papist'. I guess they didn't want the show to get bogged in just how bigoted many  pioneers could be but, back then, just as Protestants weren't as accepting to Jewish folks (which the show depicted) or Native American religions, Protestants and Catholics often were just barely 'cordial when necessary' to each other- if not openly hostile towards each due solely due to their differing faiths in the mid 19th century Midwest.  I mean, at most, I could imagine the Ingalls parents feeling sorry for Mrs. Hearn from  a distance but NOT actually being near besties with her  (for her one episode, natch) much less helping her orchestrate her 'premature demise'. And where would she have found an English-speaking priest so easily in rural Minnesota? There weren't huge numbers of Irish Catholics living there at that point and the few Catholics would have been from the French-Canadian settlers that had managed to venture south of International Falls (with most of them speaking French as a first if not only language) . 

Of course, as @debraran mentioned, traveling wasn't something that was easy or cheap for folks back then so I agree that it seemed a bit much that Mrs. Hearn would have expected her prodigal grown kids to instantly drop everything to visit her and dis them for not having done so after her 'death'. IMO, the only one that truly deserved to have been eviscerated was the son who had somehow faked his own death for fifteen years( of course, he had no leg to stand on dissing her for doing the same thing). But then, the question arises as to WHY he would have done that? Could it possibly have been that she (and/or the rest of the family) may not have been as warm, supportive and positive as they'd have wanted the neighbors to believe? Yes, that question would have been interesting to explore but they totally just swept that under the carpet with the 'bad son faked his death. The end'. deal.

I thought of that too, everyone was supposed to be so warm back then, so "family oriented", not like the selfish ones we see today (tongue in cheek) It reminded me of a woman my mom lived near in a senior building. Always saying how her 5 kids never see her, hardly come over and how sad it is. Sometimes she has little food and they want her to feed them if they stop by. I tell her any kid who does that, may be selfish but if 5 do it, there is something you don't know. She shakes her head, but i tell her most families have secrets and I'm sure she does. This son on LHOP had a reason to do that, one we will never know.

Did it ever occur to her to ask if she could go there? She wasn't working or dealing with young children? Maybe go help with the home. I kept thinking that as she plotted her demise.

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12 hours ago, jason88cubs said:

When the James brothers came to town and his out in that house...wasn't that used in a previous episode?

 

I swear I saw that somewhere but can't recall

Do you mean that big house they use over and over?  Or a different one?  

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16 hours ago, debraran said:

I thought of that too, everyone was supposed to be so warm back then, so "family oriented", not like the selfish ones we see today (tongue in cheek) It reminded me of a woman my mom lived near in a senior building. Always saying how her 5 kids never see her, hardly come over and how sad it is. Sometimes she has little food and they want her to feed them if they stop by. I tell her any kid who does that, may be selfish but if 5 do it, there is something you don't know. She shakes her head, but i tell her most families have secrets and I'm sure she does. This son on LHOP had a reason to do that, one we will never know.

Did it ever occur to her to ask if she could go there? She wasn't working or dealing with young children? Maybe go help with the home. I kept thinking that as she plotted her demise.

Yeah, I agree that since Mrs. Hearn not only was a widow but had just buried her housemate, seemed reasonably healthy for her age and evidently was fiscally comfortable with no work or caregiving obligations , there should have at least been some discussion as to her possibly visiting her (known) living children before she attempted the 'fake death'.  Yes, I know travel back then was no breeze for anyone of any age but if she was in reasonably good health (and perhaps got Doc Baker's okay), I don't see why she couldn't have done the stagecoach/ railroad deal. Still, even if her offspring had previously and/or currently (as per the storyline) blown her off, I agree that it would have been far better had Mrs. Hearn have made the plea about needing their company to keep from dying of loneliness (and perhaps the English-speaking priest could have cosigned on this pressing on the Fifth Commandment) rather than concoct her own funeral to draw them in.  

Still, regardless of how charming and jovial she appeared to the Ingallses as a friendly neighbor, it's not impossible that she may not have been as wonderful to her offspring when they were younger  as the Ingallses' wanted to believe and it could have been a case of her reaping what she had previously sowed ( which may have been an MO re the son who faked his own death for fifteen years) OR her children could have individually or collectively been just self-centered jerks for no good reason after she had been a wonderful parent to them. Either of the two scenarios (among others)  is possible and it would been worth exploring one or all the grown kids' MO's instead of just automatically presuming that it HAD to be the latter case simply because she seemed so wonderful to the Ingallses as a neighbor. 

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Is it the big house that eventually becomes the blind school? I remember that one popping up a lot. I think the first time I ever saw was the episode about the widow who they all assume is jumping Pa'd shirtless bones. It was her house. 

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49 minutes ago, Zella said:

Is it the big house that eventually becomes the blind school? I remember that one popping up a lot. I think the first time I ever saw was the episode about the widow who they all assume is jumping Pa'd shirtless bones. It was her house. 

Yeah, and the weird thing is that the Hansen House not only became the Blind School but then it burned down- yet afterwards, Harriet was able to find that pesky deed  in 'Welcome to Olesonville 'within the house that was dusty but not the least bit burned (despite it having clearly burned to the foundation in the landmark tragic episode). 

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3 hours ago, jason88cubs said:

So they used it multiple times? I just recall reading it was in a episode besides this

Yes, it was also for an episode for some person that lived there that everyone was afraid of, a widow lived there, it was the blind school, and probably many other things, lol.

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10 hours ago, Blergh said:

Yeah, and the weird thing is that the Hansen House not only became the Blind School but then it burned down- yet afterwards, Harriet was able to find that pesky deed  in 'Welcome to Olesonville 'within the house that was dusty but not the least bit burned (despite it having clearly burned to the foundation in the landmark tragic episode). 

Yeah, but actually that house wasn't the house they used as blind school but the house Laura inherited later from that old lady, the one where she and Almanzo founded their boarding house. I know, for an old, lifelong bachelor, Hanson sure had many enormous houses.

And in fact, they used that house earlier already as the house where Albert and James find shelter from rain in the episode where James first breaks Albert's razor and then steals one from the mercantile.

I sometimes wonder if using of same buildings was some kind of inside joke for filmmakers, of course in addition to it was a question of practicality.

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On 5/9/2021 at 6:34 AM, debraran said:

Thanks for the synopsis. I wonder if she was friendly with Moses Gunn at all although he didn't stay on for long. When I met him, he wanted to talk about other things, not that show as much. He wasn't starring in it though. I'm sure racism was there being a large set and just the joke Michael did pretending to be KKK showed it was not really recognized. Some things you can't make a joke, although some will laugh, it was too ugly. I'm glad he gave her a chance and let her sing. She had a beautiful voice.

I think I would find Katherine a soulmate too. I always admired woman with chutzpah and a sense of humor. I don't recall anyone's book mentioning "Hester Sue" or any of the minority actors but they might have. I would think Todd's show would have been by someone, it was so good.

Karen's book isn't coming out until the Fall (Nov) but I will probably get hers. So far 8.99 for Kindle, and 16.95 for paperback. I know many fans will buy it but since she hasn't been in the limelight for a long time, they count on fans who hung in there with the show to buy it. I'll help. ; ) 

A summary: Karen Grassle, the beloved actress who played Ma on Little House on the Prairie, grew up at the edge of the Pacific Ocean in a family where love was plentiful but alcohol wreaked havoc. In this candid memoir, Grassle reveals her journey to succeed as an actress even as she struggles to overcome depression, combat her own dependence on alcohol, and find true love. With humor and hard-won wisdom, Grassle takes readers on an inspiring journey through the political turmoil on ’60s campuses, on to studies with some of the most celebrated artists at the famed London Academy of Music and Dramatic Arts, and ultimately behind the curtains of Broadway stages and storied Hollywood sets. In these pages, readers meet actors and directors who have captivated us on screen and stage as they fall in love, betray and befriend, and don costumes only to reveal themselves. We know Karen Grassle best as the proud prairie woman Caroline Ingalls, with her quiet strength and devotion to family, but this memoir introduces readers to the complex, funny, rebellious, and soulful woman who, in addition to being the force behind those many strong women she played, fought passionately―as a writer, producer, and activist―on behalf of equal rights for women. Raw, emotional, and tender, Bright Lights celebrates and honors womanhood, in all its complexity.

 

Damn. Another alcoholic? How many were there from the set? 

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17 hours ago, greekmom said:

Damn. Another alcoholic? How many were there from the set? 

Good question!  While Miss Anderson and Miss Gilbert only pinpointed ML himself as having been a 'heavy drinker', Miss Arngrim alluded to alcohol being freely dispensed on the set to the crew especially. Miss Stewart also outed the late Victor French (but  the recovering alcoholic also outed her own usage from teenhood on) and then claimed that some poor regular adult costar had themselves become a recovering alcoholic  and begged her to keep it a BIG secret from ML and the others for fear that ML would lead the others in deriding this anonymous performer for achieving just that. IOW, if we go by what Miss Arngrim and, especially, Miss Stewart claimed, it would seem that there was  a great deal of boozing going on during the show's production by ML, Mr. French and a good number of the crew if not other adult performers.

It seems that Miss Grassle is set to reveal her own struggles with alcohol in her impending autobio but how much (or if) she will detail others' LHOTP onset consumption will have to wait for the book's publication. 

However, by all accounts, not only did ML and Mr. French and the other adult performers (with the exception of Miss MacGregor) know their lines  cold and were always able to wrap up the show's production by the early evening, but under ML's direction, they respected and insisted on everyone else on site respecting the teen girl performers ( even though ML wasn't above putting them at risk re potentially dangerous oncamera stunts).  That, sadly, seems more exceptional than the rule re the entertainment industry- but all the more remarkable considering the  amount of booze (notorious for breaking down inhibitions) that appears to have gotten consumed.  

And yet Pa was such an adament teetotaler that he smashed booze bottles and boozers to battle drunkenness around (as per the show). 

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Just watched the pilot episode and was really not impressed with Karen Grassle.  She played Ma so rigid and cranky.  Glad they softened her up for season 1.  It was so bad she’s lucky Ma wasn’t recast when the series was green lit.  The real ma always written as soft, steady, stern but firm.  KG played her as fearful, snappy, weak.  So glad that did not continue or it would not have made the series as warm and supportive as it was.  

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So you're saying that Miss Grassle played her as a proto-Alice Garvey? Oddly enough, Miss Parady seems like a fun, witty person so I can't imagine that it was entirely fun for her playing someone who more often than not was a stick in the mud. 

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1 hour ago, Zella said:

Honestly, if I had to deal with some of Jonathan's bullshit on the regular, I'd probably be pretty cranky and uptight too. LOL

Fair enough but what about Andy and the Ingallses? They didn't really do anything to warrant said crankiness from Alice Garvey/ 

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26 minutes ago, Blergh said:

Fair enough but what about Andy and the Ingallses? They didn't really do anything to warrant said crankiness from Alice Garvey/ 

She didn't stand out to me as particularly peevish, to be honest. Maybe I'd have to revisit some episodes, but I remember Jonathan being an uncalled-for asshole way more than her. I always just thought of them as Giant Jerk and Wife. Not Giant Jerk and Shrew Wife. Lol

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6 hours ago, Tamiele said:

Just watched the pilot episode and was really not impressed with Karen Grassle.  She played Ma so rigid and cranky.  Glad they softened her up for season 1.  It was so bad she’s lucky Ma wasn’t recast when the series was green lit.  The real ma always written as soft, steady, stern but firm.  KG played her as fearful, snappy, weak.  So glad that did not continue or it would not have made the series as warm and supportive as it was.  

I have only seen the pilot once if you mean the one where they go to Indian territory, but I didn’t notice that about her.  I think I liked her okay in that.  If she was different it was partly because Caroline was not happy there.  She was scared of the Indians, they were nowhere near a town, and she was concerned about Mr Edwards (at least in the show for the Mr Edwards part)
 

 

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2 hours ago, Zella said:

She didn't stand out to me as particularly peevish, to be honest. Maybe I'd have to revisit some episodes, but I remember Jonathan being an uncalled-for asshole way more than her. I always just thought of them as Giant Jerk and Wife. Not Giant Jerk and Shrew Wife. Lol

Not to worry. We have Pa Messiah ready and available to guffaw inappropriately and make everything okay again.

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1 hour ago, CountryGirl said:

Not to worry. We have Pa Messiah ready and available to guffaw inappropriately and make everything okay again.

He should be a required presence in all divorce hearings. 😁

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Go back and watch the show where Alice is the schoolteacher and Andy is struggling in school. She is awful during that episode. It’s all about her being embarrassed as opposed to helping out her son. She was always talking in a very loud voice and had a sourpuss.

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19 hours ago, Kyle said:

Go back and watch the show where Alice is the schoolteacher and Andy is struggling in school. She is awful during that episode. It’s all about her being embarrassed as opposed to helping out her son. She was always talking in a very loud voice and had a sourpuss.

Yes then she gets the big daddy to disicpline him because getting hit with a belt even when sorry is the only way to "feel better" in their home. (Charles would have forgiven him as he did Laura and Mary many times and Albert) He was so happy though, I almost thought they really just played checkers. lol

She was a pain in that show and opposite of Ma when she did it or even Harriet. I think I would have liked Harriet as a teacher. She was funny, stern but also smart. There was NO way though, without LHOP writing, she would have picked "Rape of the Sabine Women" in a farming town of Walnut Grove. It was hysterical though.

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Was watching White Lightning and thought man this Dude Watson looks familiar

 

Turns out it's matt Clarke who appeared in 3 episodes of LHOP

 

2 as Boulton--Plague and Child of Pain(I couldnt find him in this episode though) and as Seth Berwick in Mortal Mission

 

 

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On 6/19/2021 at 9:28 AM, jason88cubs said:

Was watching White Lightning and thought man this Dude Watson looks familiar

 

Turns out it's matt Clarke who appeared in 3 episodes of LHOP

 

2 as Boulton--Plague and Child of Pain(I couldnt find him in this episode though) and as Seth Berwick in Mortal Mission

 

 

The unluckiest man in Walnut Grove - his wife and son died twice, in two separate plagues. 😅

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19 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

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About to get divorced but wanna try to work it out one last time?

 

Just contact Charles Ingalls and he'll have you laughing so hard you'll forget why you wanna get rid of them!!!

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25 minutes ago, jason88cubs said:

About to get divorced but wanna try to work it out one last time?

 

Just contact Charles Ingalls and he'll have you laughing so hard you'll forget why you wanna get rid of them!!!

Too bad Michael and Lynn Noe Landon weren't able to do that but would Mr. Ingalls's laughter been enough to get her to sweep the whole adultery deal under the rug?

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1 hour ago, jason88cubs said:

Random question, but did Nels and Harriet sleep upstairs by their children or did they have a room on the lower level?

 

I know we would see them in the bedroom but can't recall the location

I always assumed it was on the second floor, but I don't know if I had a reason for thinking that. But, if they had the store, living room, dining, room and kitchen on the first floor, then 3 bedrooms, it would make sense that they were all on the second floor.

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7 hours ago, Katy M said:

I always assumed it was on the second floor, but I don't know if I had a reason for thinking that. But, if they had the store, living room, dining, room and kitchen on the first floor, then 3 bedrooms, it would make sense that they were all on the second floor.

Based on nothing, I agree with you. 

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20 hours ago, Katy M said:

I always assumed it was on the second floor, but I don't know if I had a reason for thinking that. But, if they had the store, living room, dining, room and kitchen on the first floor, then 3 bedrooms, it would make sense that they were all on the second floor.

Let's not forget that they also had a bathroom in which a tub was depicted within when Harriet was emerging from her depression after two weeks of being bedridden upon the news of Nellie's permanent exit. Oh, and it also had a toilet that was incompetently assembled which flooded Harriet when she'd try to use it (but, tastefully,  the viewers only heard her wails and saw a large stream of [clean]water pour down the staircase) 

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15 hours ago, BigBingerBro said:

I'm pretty sure the Oleson's bedroom was upstairs.  When Harriet was in her depression after Nellie left, Charles and Cassandra (I think) went upstairs to her room to see her.

And a pox on them.  That's what got us Nancy.

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